I think he will do well. Comparing him to Holloway doesn't make much sense to me, remember that Rodgers has pretty much learned directly from Mourinho and has spent a lot of time studying the football that Spain and Barcelona play. He got Swansea to play a similar way and has pretty much vowed to do the same here. The players that we sign will obviously have a big say on how we do next season, and Gylfi Sigurdsson will be a very good starting point. Rodgers has said he knows the type of players we need so we will get a couple more. And with Cole and Aquilani looking likely to get second chances, it will be very interesting to see how everything comes together.
ACP
but also remember it was Martinez who started the project off at Swansea. It was him who put it all into place
To be honest I am quite worried. He looks good on paper but this is a big risk!
Of course Martinez had a part in it, but Rodgers was the one who got them promoted and comfortably stayed in the PL, getting them playing some brilliant football in the process. In fact they were in the top 10 in Europe for the amount of possession they had.
It seems to be working with Roberto, so let's wait and see eh?
Will be interesting to see our position and how BR handles the pressure after our first 5 games:
WBA, Man City, Arsenal, Sunderland, Man Utd.
In fact they were in the top 10 in Europe for the amount of possession they had.
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Possesion stats can be very misleading. I really wouldn't go by them.
That said, and I have already said this today to Johnsonsbaby, I think he will get more out of Liverpools current squad than Kenny did.
Martinez started the project at Swansea, but many of their fans will tell you that defensively they were suspect under him.
Rodgers tightened up the system and made them far better defensively while still playing an attacking possession based game.
There was an interesting article in FourFourTwo (I think) that interviewed Rodgers about adapting the Barcelona system for Swansea. If you can track it down it's an interesting read.
I think he will get more out of Liverpools current squad than Kenny did.
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I think I could too.
Why have people not clicked on, the fact he is young and inexperience and a bit raw, is probably one of the biggest factors in getting him.
BR must surely be given time by FSG he is their man after all, Hodgson was the previous owners and just had us playing dull football with even worst results. And Kenny was a temp manager who got a 2 year contract for stabalising the club and was a fans and players favourite. They backed him with money etc and he didnt deliver, ok we played decent football at times and our luck wasnt in etc but it still wasnt good enough.
Lets just see how BR does and give him time, he is a young british manager, something the media always bang on about top clubs never having them
you can't really claim avb failed at chelsea purely because of inexperience. he failed for the same reasons phil scolari failed. too many ego's in the dressing room getting upset when being required to adapt to new systems they weren't comfortable with, and an owner who doesn't care about long term planning and demands success every single year.
liverpool don't have the egos chelsea do (you never heard carragher moan in the press about needing 'experienced players' when he didn't play) and as long as progress is shown rodgers will be given a few years to build the team he wants. no one is expecting instant success but as long as we can challenge for the top 4 this season and play attractive football that will be good enough for most fans and show the direction we are going in.
having read up on his interviews and such its clear he's a very intelligent man and understands football more deeply than the old style managers who stick to 4-4-2 and never adapt.
he's going to continue on with an attacking philosophy so it's not that big a change from Kenny.
Hopefully the players remember to finish for Buck.
I think the owners have done well, i think they have appointed a manager who will run the club very well on and off the pitch. He comes across as a top top bloke, intelligent and well spoken. Makes me wonder they went for martinez too another nice bloke, so im wondering if Kennys media saga had a massive say on things.
Well I feel a whole lot better at the prospect of Rodgers than I did when RH came in as a manager with lots of experience.
Roy was in the wrong job at the wrong time with Liverpool. I'm delighted for him with England.
There's no guarantees in football and we can't do anything but wait and see how it goes so feeling positive about it is better than feeling negative!
but also remember it was Martinez who started the project off at Swansea. It was him who put it all into place
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Mr Chelsea, this is a really weak argument. Martinez started things off at Swansea, but then Sousa was thee and then Rodgers. If Martinez takes credit for where Swansea are now, then AVB surely takes some credit for you winning the CL. Same logic, he was the predecessor to RDM.
Martinez didn't get Swansea up, he didn't get them to 11th.
Fatjan
That is one of the worst arguments I have ever seen from you.
RM really got things going at Swansea, he took them from League one to the championship in his first full season with them, and just short of the playoffs (8th, which is higher than 11th) in their first season back in the championship.
How the hell can you compare that to AVB at Chelsea?
Bob Paisley...
Joe Fagan...
Kenny Dalglish (1st time)...
All inexperienced when they first managed Liverpool.
Who would we have got that wouldn't have been a risk?
I don't see a manager out there who we could realistically get who would not be a risky appointment.
Some might say Benitez but that ignores the risk of his relationships with current players and the level of control he would require in comparison to how our owners like to work.
Rodgers might not work out, but if he does he could be our manager for a very long time.
Bowen
What did Paisley, Fagan and KD all have in common compared to BR?
There are two answers to this and both are not difficult.
Vidicschin - i'm just trying to point out that inexperience doesn't always matter. I don't think Rodgers is going to join the list of greats. I like the guy, but he's a manager that excites me. He's not a Klopp, or even a Deschamps. I believe his style of play is good, and that he has an eye for talent and a knack for getting the best out of players. I think we'll improve under his management. But ask me if he'll be Liverpool manager in 5 years time, and I wouldn't be so certain. Time will tell and I hope I'm proven wrong. I've been a fan too long to trust to blind optimism though.
Fatjan
That is one of the worst arguments I have ever seen from you.
RM really got things going at Swansea, he took them from League one to the championship in his first full season with them, and just short of the playoffs (8th, which is higher than 11th) in their first season back in the championship.
How the hell can you compare that to AVB at Chelsea?
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I know it's a weak argument, which is exactly my point. Martinez did well at Swansea and started it off, but he left and then a year later it was Rodgers that actually took them up. And then it was Rodgers who got them to 11th in the PL. Martinez can't take any credit for that.
We've heard it before too when people said it was Houllier's team that won the CL with Rafa. Raga was manager so should get the credit not the previous manager.
And AVB shouldn't get any credit for RDM winning the CL, but because he was the previous manager, using the same logic as those who say Swansea are where they are because of Martinez, AVB should be given credit. He shouldn't which is the point I'm making.
Time will tell. We have just got to give him time and full support. We can't expect miracles from him, but given time he should do a good job and get us playing in the way fans want!
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posted on 21/6/12
I think he will do well. Comparing him to Holloway doesn't make much sense to me, remember that Rodgers has pretty much learned directly from Mourinho and has spent a lot of time studying the football that Spain and Barcelona play. He got Swansea to play a similar way and has pretty much vowed to do the same here. The players that we sign will obviously have a big say on how we do next season, and Gylfi Sigurdsson will be a very good starting point. Rodgers has said he knows the type of players we need so we will get a couple more. And with Cole and Aquilani looking likely to get second chances, it will be very interesting to see how everything comes together.
posted on 21/6/12
ACP
but also remember it was Martinez who started the project off at Swansea. It was him who put it all into place
posted on 21/6/12
To be honest I am quite worried. He looks good on paper but this is a big risk!
posted on 21/6/12
Of course Martinez had a part in it, but Rodgers was the one who got them promoted and comfortably stayed in the PL, getting them playing some brilliant football in the process. In fact they were in the top 10 in Europe for the amount of possession they had.
posted on 21/6/12
posted on 21/6/12
It seems to be working with Roberto, so let's wait and see eh?
posted on 21/6/12
Will be interesting to see our position and how BR handles the pressure after our first 5 games:
WBA, Man City, Arsenal, Sunderland, Man Utd.
posted on 21/6/12
In fact they were in the top 10 in Europe for the amount of possession they had.
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Possesion stats can be very misleading. I really wouldn't go by them.
That said, and I have already said this today to Johnsonsbaby, I think he will get more out of Liverpools current squad than Kenny did.
posted on 21/6/12
Martinez started the project at Swansea, but many of their fans will tell you that defensively they were suspect under him.
Rodgers tightened up the system and made them far better defensively while still playing an attacking possession based game.
There was an interesting article in FourFourTwo (I think) that interviewed Rodgers about adapting the Barcelona system for Swansea. If you can track it down it's an interesting read.
posted on 21/6/12
I think he will get more out of Liverpools current squad than Kenny did.
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I think I could too.
posted on 21/6/12
Why have people not clicked on, the fact he is young and inexperience and a bit raw, is probably one of the biggest factors in getting him.
posted on 21/6/12
BR must surely be given time by FSG he is their man after all, Hodgson was the previous owners and just had us playing dull football with even worst results. And Kenny was a temp manager who got a 2 year contract for stabalising the club and was a fans and players favourite. They backed him with money etc and he didnt deliver, ok we played decent football at times and our luck wasnt in etc but it still wasnt good enough.
Lets just see how BR does and give him time, he is a young british manager, something the media always bang on about top clubs never having them
posted on 21/6/12
you can't really claim avb failed at chelsea purely because of inexperience. he failed for the same reasons phil scolari failed. too many ego's in the dressing room getting upset when being required to adapt to new systems they weren't comfortable with, and an owner who doesn't care about long term planning and demands success every single year.
liverpool don't have the egos chelsea do (you never heard carragher moan in the press about needing 'experienced players' when he didn't play) and as long as progress is shown rodgers will be given a few years to build the team he wants. no one is expecting instant success but as long as we can challenge for the top 4 this season and play attractive football that will be good enough for most fans and show the direction we are going in.
having read up on his interviews and such its clear he's a very intelligent man and understands football more deeply than the old style managers who stick to 4-4-2 and never adapt.
posted on 21/6/12
he's going to continue on with an attacking philosophy so it's not that big a change from Kenny.
Hopefully the players remember to finish for Buck.
posted on 21/6/12
I think the owners have done well, i think they have appointed a manager who will run the club very well on and off the pitch. He comes across as a top top bloke, intelligent and well spoken. Makes me wonder they went for martinez too another nice bloke, so im wondering if Kennys media saga had a massive say on things.
posted on 21/6/12
Well I feel a whole lot better at the prospect of Rodgers than I did when RH came in as a manager with lots of experience.
Roy was in the wrong job at the wrong time with Liverpool. I'm delighted for him with England.
There's no guarantees in football and we can't do anything but wait and see how it goes so feeling positive about it is better than feeling negative!
posted on 21/6/12
but also remember it was Martinez who started the project off at Swansea. It was him who put it all into place
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Mr Chelsea, this is a really weak argument. Martinez started things off at Swansea, but then Sousa was thee and then Rodgers. If Martinez takes credit for where Swansea are now, then AVB surely takes some credit for you winning the CL. Same logic, he was the predecessor to RDM.
Martinez didn't get Swansea up, he didn't get them to 11th.
posted on 21/6/12
Fatjan
That is one of the worst arguments I have ever seen from you.
RM really got things going at Swansea, he took them from League one to the championship in his first full season with them, and just short of the playoffs (8th, which is higher than 11th) in their first season back in the championship.
How the hell can you compare that to AVB at Chelsea?
posted on 21/6/12
Bob Paisley...
Joe Fagan...
Kenny Dalglish (1st time)...
All inexperienced when they first managed Liverpool.
posted on 21/6/12
Who would we have got that wouldn't have been a risk?
I don't see a manager out there who we could realistically get who would not be a risky appointment.
Some might say Benitez but that ignores the risk of his relationships with current players and the level of control he would require in comparison to how our owners like to work.
Rodgers might not work out, but if he does he could be our manager for a very long time.
posted on 21/6/12
Bowen
What did Paisley, Fagan and KD all have in common compared to BR?
There are two answers to this and both are not difficult.
posted on 21/6/12
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posted on 21/6/12
Vidicschin - i'm just trying to point out that inexperience doesn't always matter. I don't think Rodgers is going to join the list of greats. I like the guy, but he's a manager that excites me. He's not a Klopp, or even a Deschamps. I believe his style of play is good, and that he has an eye for talent and a knack for getting the best out of players. I think we'll improve under his management. But ask me if he'll be Liverpool manager in 5 years time, and I wouldn't be so certain. Time will tell and I hope I'm proven wrong. I've been a fan too long to trust to blind optimism though.
posted on 21/6/12
Fatjan
That is one of the worst arguments I have ever seen from you.
RM really got things going at Swansea, he took them from League one to the championship in his first full season with them, and just short of the playoffs (8th, which is higher than 11th) in their first season back in the championship.
How the hell can you compare that to AVB at Chelsea?
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I know it's a weak argument, which is exactly my point. Martinez did well at Swansea and started it off, but he left and then a year later it was Rodgers that actually took them up. And then it was Rodgers who got them to 11th in the PL. Martinez can't take any credit for that.
We've heard it before too when people said it was Houllier's team that won the CL with Rafa. Raga was manager so should get the credit not the previous manager.
And AVB shouldn't get any credit for RDM winning the CL, but because he was the previous manager, using the same logic as those who say Swansea are where they are because of Martinez, AVB should be given credit. He shouldn't which is the point I'm making.
posted on 21/6/12
Time will tell. We have just got to give him time and full support. We can't expect miracles from him, but given time he should do a good job and get us playing in the way fans want!
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