Isn;t that a clear contradiction? Has Nadal won 6 Wimbledon and only 1 FO?
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No. What i meant was that while Nadal struggles on fast courts (although he did really well to win the US open) Fed dosent neccessary struggle so much on slow courts.. Nadal just has the thing over Federer because Fed didnt see it coming, not noccessary because the the courts were slowed down. (even on slow courts, Fed had some opportunities against Nadal he didnt take)
13809, 2 wrongs don't make a right, I agree Nole can take too long at times (was that the time when Fed told him how many times he'd bounced it?), but that doesn't mean it's ok for Nadal to do it.
Umpiring seems very inconsistent in these matters and one feels at times that the big names are never going to be held to the rules.
Nadal's rules? Cause they ain't ATP rules!
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Well ill admit i dont know much about the rules, but if its not in the rules to take some time between points then surely they would have spoken out? has Nadal he does so consistently..
jonty, tenez is a knowledgeable poster. he does not complain about balls or rwcquets.
he complains about slow conds, lack of testing and powwrless officials.
Ah! A sensible Rafa fan!
Just one point of clarification: We don;t blame him for working hard. He says himself he doesn;t work hard. He says he doesn;t go to the gym....when the average player spends 30h a week in the gym. Weird isn;t it?
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Tenez so what are you trying to suggest that Nadal got that awesome body and biceps without going to the gym and I reckon that you are hinting at steroids.
Well done.
Fed dosent neccessary struggle so much on slow courts.. Nadal just has the thing over Federer because Fed didnt see it coming, not noccessary because the the courts were slowed down.
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But surface is everyting as I am sure you noticed the difference between Wimby and FO2012 (Nadal certainly noticed).
If you slow surfaces, regardless how good you are, some players are going to exploit the change better than others. Turn Wimbledon into a Wimby 90s and Karlo is the king.
So disregarding the slowing down as not a valid reason for Federer's loss is simply wrong.
Fed has no problem bagelling Nadal on low bounce HC for instance last winter.
TMF,
I could swear I saw your Day 6 thread link in my member page a few moments ago and was amazed it was there since I didn't comment on it, it's not out on the main menu now either, do you know what's going on?
Admins,
can you please restore Vee-jay's ability to log in here.
He seems not to be able to log in after he logged out.
Tenez so what are you trying to suggest that Nadal got that awesome body and biceps without going to the gym
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Not me. Nadal does...as a fan yuo should know what he says!
13809, there is a time limit between serves, Nadal regularly exceeds this.
Additionally the receiver must play to the servers pace i.e. be ready when the server serves, yet yesterday Nadal interrupted Rosol's serve claiming he wasn't ready.
Umpire's need to be more proactive in enforcing this rule regardless of player.
TMF, I don't know what he complains about these days, but it's a continual whine, I genuinely do not understand what he likes about the game.
I ended up filtering Tenez after he kept going on about Fed being injured despite fed insisting he wasn't, insisting mental strength wasn't important for top players and that you shouldn't like players for their off court character.......I appreciate some people might like those sorts of views but they don't add anything to my experience of ja606, so I choose to not have to read them.
13809, 2 wrongs don't make a right, I agree Nole can take too long at times (was that the time when Fed told him how many times he'd bounced it?), but that doesn't mean it's ok for Nadal to do it.
Umpiring seems very inconsistent in these matters and one feels at times that the big names are never going to be held to the rules.
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Thats it though, is it wrong? cos the uprire dosent say anthing about it and Nadal does take time consistently, maybe he just knows how to use his time limits and maximize it to his advantage.. Nothing wrong with that im my opinion.. even Fed does it sometimes (i remember an ATP tour game against tsonga last year when Tsonga had the momentum but Fed told him to wait just before he served and he just walked a bit and he broke him when he eventually served)
Exactly, that was the match im talking about (not sure if its the french open)
Julien Benneteau, who was within two points of knocking Roger Federer out of the third round of Wimbledon twice in the fourth set tiebeaker of the Swiss' 4‑6, 6‑7(3), 6‑2, 7‑6 (6), 6‑1 victory, says the 16-time Grand Slam champion is player apart.
" Mentally he's a rock," Benneteau said. "He's two sets down and he doesn't show anything. After that, if your level is a little bit lower, right here, right now he takes the opportunity. He has a capacity also to improve his game during the match. He was more aggressive right after I serve the first shot of the rally, he tried to hit the ball stronger and to be more aggressive, and you feel it when you are on the opposite side. So you have to be focused every point, every point against him. You cannot make any mistakes. If you don't make the right shot tactically at the right place, you lose the point almost. So it's tough. Two sets down and he's a champion. He arrive to win this match in five sets, and he was not in control. I think he was a little bit not panicked, but not comfortable,. But at the end of the day he's here; he doesn't make any mistakes. At the end of the fourth set his serve was incredible. Only first serve, only first serve, only first serve. He didn't make a lot of mistakes."
hmm , i havent done any day 6 thread . whats goung on? there seem to be some paranormal qctivity going on this forum, damn!
I am serious TMF, hope GAV hasn't become one of the Admins her
imo, youboth are good posters
13809, the umpires should make sure they don't stretch the rules, regardless of who they are.
Firstly it over lengthens the match and secondly it can be a dastardly tactic to unsettle an opponent.
nitb i was .itting myself
Jonty:
Well, something is clearly not right because ive watched lots of games including women's tennis and ive seen players taking considerable amount of time between points but the umpire says nothing!
Nadal could learn a lesson here from Benneteau in terms of how to be a good loser.
I want to see a player hate losing, but I also want to see a player give credit to his opponent.
When I'm coaching 5 year olds, I already teach them to shake hands and congratulate each other after playing, manners and good grace make the player.
13809, the umpires should make sure they don't stretch the rules, regardless of who they are.
Firstly it over lengthens the match and secondly it can be a dastardly tactic to unsettle an opponent.
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Fair enough.. (if the rule is still active)
13809, you're absolutely right, they do nothing, the same way they don't invoke the hindrance rule when players overgrunt.
What makes it worse is when a player does complain i.e. say a player is taking too long or a player is making too much noise and then the umpire does nothing.
Nadal could learn a lesson here from Benneteau in terms of how to be a good loser.
I want to see a player hate losing, but I also want to see a player give credit to his opponent.
When I'm coaching 5 year olds, I already teach them to shake hands and congratulate each other after playing, manners and good grace make the player.
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I thought Nadal said he played 'unbelievable'? and i think Nadal is gracious, fair enough he made some excuses about some things not 'right' but then all successfull people are not totally good losers to be fair and i think Nadal does tries his best...
13809, here is an interesting piece on the time issue:
http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2012-03-09/9039.php
Regarding Nadal's grace in defeat, I though it was class of Nadal to sign autograph's despite losing but when he was asked if Rosol had been the better player he said it wasn't as simple as that.
I think Nadal was just completely shocked, but hope we hear some nice words from him towards Rosol when he gets the chance.
No , Nadal said he played "MORE than unbelievable"
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posted on 29/6/12
Isn;t that a clear contradiction? Has Nadal won 6 Wimbledon and only 1 FO?
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No. What i meant was that while Nadal struggles on fast courts (although he did really well to win the US open) Fed dosent neccessary struggle so much on slow courts.. Nadal just has the thing over Federer because Fed didnt see it coming, not noccessary because the the courts were slowed down. (even on slow courts, Fed had some opportunities against Nadal he didnt take)
posted on 29/6/12
13809, 2 wrongs don't make a right, I agree Nole can take too long at times (was that the time when Fed told him how many times he'd bounced it?), but that doesn't mean it's ok for Nadal to do it.
Umpiring seems very inconsistent in these matters and one feels at times that the big names are never going to be held to the rules.
posted on 29/6/12
Nadal's rules? Cause they ain't ATP rules!
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Well ill admit i dont know much about the rules, but if its not in the rules to take some time between points then surely they would have spoken out? has Nadal he does so consistently..
posted on 29/6/12
jonty, tenez is a knowledgeable poster. he does not complain about balls or rwcquets.
he complains about slow conds, lack of testing and powwrless officials.
posted on 29/6/12
Ah! A sensible Rafa fan!
Just one point of clarification: We don;t blame him for working hard. He says himself he doesn;t work hard. He says he doesn;t go to the gym....when the average player spends 30h a week in the gym. Weird isn;t it?
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Tenez so what are you trying to suggest that Nadal got that awesome body and biceps without going to the gym and I reckon that you are hinting at steroids.
Well done.
posted on 29/6/12
Fed dosent neccessary struggle so much on slow courts.. Nadal just has the thing over Federer because Fed didnt see it coming, not noccessary because the the courts were slowed down.
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But surface is everyting as I am sure you noticed the difference between Wimby and FO2012 (Nadal certainly noticed).
If you slow surfaces, regardless how good you are, some players are going to exploit the change better than others. Turn Wimbledon into a Wimby 90s and Karlo is the king.
So disregarding the slowing down as not a valid reason for Federer's loss is simply wrong.
Fed has no problem bagelling Nadal on low bounce HC for instance last winter.
posted on 29/6/12
TMF,
I could swear I saw your Day 6 thread link in my member page a few moments ago and was amazed it was there since I didn't comment on it, it's not out on the main menu now either, do you know what's going on?
posted on 29/6/12
Admins,
can you please restore Vee-jay's ability to log in here.
He seems not to be able to log in after he logged out.
posted on 29/6/12
Tenez so what are you trying to suggest that Nadal got that awesome body and biceps without going to the gym
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Not me. Nadal does...as a fan yuo should know what he says!
posted on 29/6/12
13809, there is a time limit between serves, Nadal regularly exceeds this.
Additionally the receiver must play to the servers pace i.e. be ready when the server serves, yet yesterday Nadal interrupted Rosol's serve claiming he wasn't ready.
Umpire's need to be more proactive in enforcing this rule regardless of player.
TMF, I don't know what he complains about these days, but it's a continual whine, I genuinely do not understand what he likes about the game.
I ended up filtering Tenez after he kept going on about Fed being injured despite fed insisting he wasn't, insisting mental strength wasn't important for top players and that you shouldn't like players for their off court character.......I appreciate some people might like those sorts of views but they don't add anything to my experience of ja606, so I choose to not have to read them.
posted on 29/6/12
13809, 2 wrongs don't make a right, I agree Nole can take too long at times (was that the time when Fed told him how many times he'd bounced it?), but that doesn't mean it's ok for Nadal to do it.
Umpiring seems very inconsistent in these matters and one feels at times that the big names are never going to be held to the rules.
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Thats it though, is it wrong? cos the uprire dosent say anthing about it and Nadal does take time consistently, maybe he just knows how to use his time limits and maximize it to his advantage.. Nothing wrong with that im my opinion.. even Fed does it sometimes (i remember an ATP tour game against tsonga last year when Tsonga had the momentum but Fed told him to wait just before he served and he just walked a bit and he broke him when he eventually served)
Exactly, that was the match im talking about (not sure if its the french open)
posted on 29/6/12
Julien Benneteau, who was within two points of knocking Roger Federer out of the third round of Wimbledon twice in the fourth set tiebeaker of the Swiss' 4‑6, 6‑7(3), 6‑2, 7‑6 (6), 6‑1 victory, says the 16-time Grand Slam champion is player apart.
" Mentally he's a rock," Benneteau said. "He's two sets down and he doesn't show anything. After that, if your level is a little bit lower, right here, right now he takes the opportunity. He has a capacity also to improve his game during the match. He was more aggressive right after I serve the first shot of the rally, he tried to hit the ball stronger and to be more aggressive, and you feel it when you are on the opposite side. So you have to be focused every point, every point against him. You cannot make any mistakes. If you don't make the right shot tactically at the right place, you lose the point almost. So it's tough. Two sets down and he's a champion. He arrive to win this match in five sets, and he was not in control. I think he was a little bit not panicked, but not comfortable,. But at the end of the day he's here; he doesn't make any mistakes. At the end of the fourth set his serve was incredible. Only first serve, only first serve, only first serve. He didn't make a lot of mistakes."
posted on 29/6/12
hmm , i havent done any day 6 thread . whats goung on? there seem to be some paranormal qctivity going on this forum, damn!
posted on 29/6/12
I am serious TMF, hope GAV hasn't become one of the Admins her
posted on 29/6/12
imo, youboth are good posters
posted on 29/6/12
13809, the umpires should make sure they don't stretch the rules, regardless of who they are.
Firstly it over lengthens the match and secondly it can be a dastardly tactic to unsettle an opponent.
posted on 29/6/12
nitb i was .itting myself
posted on 29/6/12
Cheers TMF
posted on 29/6/12
Jonty:
Well, something is clearly not right because ive watched lots of games including women's tennis and ive seen players taking considerable amount of time between points but the umpire says nothing!
posted on 29/6/12
Nadal could learn a lesson here from Benneteau in terms of how to be a good loser.
I want to see a player hate losing, but I also want to see a player give credit to his opponent.
When I'm coaching 5 year olds, I already teach them to shake hands and congratulate each other after playing, manners and good grace make the player.
posted on 29/6/12
13809, the umpires should make sure they don't stretch the rules, regardless of who they are.
Firstly it over lengthens the match and secondly it can be a dastardly tactic to unsettle an opponent.
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Fair enough.. (if the rule is still active)
posted on 29/6/12
13809, you're absolutely right, they do nothing, the same way they don't invoke the hindrance rule when players overgrunt.
What makes it worse is when a player does complain i.e. say a player is taking too long or a player is making too much noise and then the umpire does nothing.
posted on 29/6/12
Nadal could learn a lesson here from Benneteau in terms of how to be a good loser.
I want to see a player hate losing, but I also want to see a player give credit to his opponent.
When I'm coaching 5 year olds, I already teach them to shake hands and congratulate each other after playing, manners and good grace make the player.
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I thought Nadal said he played 'unbelievable'? and i think Nadal is gracious, fair enough he made some excuses about some things not 'right' but then all successfull people are not totally good losers to be fair and i think Nadal does tries his best...
posted on 29/6/12
13809, here is an interesting piece on the time issue:
http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2012-03-09/9039.php
Regarding Nadal's grace in defeat, I though it was class of Nadal to sign autograph's despite losing but when he was asked if Rosol had been the better player he said it wasn't as simple as that.
I think Nadal was just completely shocked, but hope we hear some nice words from him towards Rosol when he gets the chance.
posted on 29/6/12
No , Nadal said he played "MORE than unbelievable"
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