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Was an interesting documentary. I have a lot of time for Clarke Carlisle, seen many interviews and he's a very likeable and intelligent man.
I thought Collymore raised some interesting points, specifically with regard to the importance of money in the game and how that influenced the way Liverpool conducted themselves during the Suarez affair.
With that in mind, and taking into account the competitive nature of football, I found Barnes' comments strange, and how he thinks black managers aren't getting jobs because they're black.
I disagree with this and feel that it's a case of who is best for the job is given the job, regardless of race or nationality. There doesn't seem to be many English managers in top positions in English football, I think there are five in the Prem, so it further supports the idea of skills being important over nationality.
Maybe Barnes' failed managerial career has made him rather paranoid? Who knows. Maybe I'm being naive, and there is more to it than meets the eye? Either way, and as he said, there is no way of proving it.
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Anfield Rap, to be fair, the title was clearly a way of drawing in viewers. If you were to have watched it, you would have found that a lot of it agreed with your idea that there are elements of racism in football, rather than it out right saying football is racist.
Carlisle and Jenas both said they'd never experienced any racism in football.
Fair enough, if that's your take on him. I personally think he seems like a decent guy, and when you compare him to some of the that we see on our tv screens it makes me think that more so.
I bet the documentary was all about racism towards black and no mention as to why British Asians are being denied? Correct me if I am wrong?
You are wrong. They did focuss on some Asian guys who hadn't ever been picked up by a team. One of the lads said the scout had told his father that he'd specifically been told not to scout any Asian players.
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Darren thanks for correcting me
Annoys me so much how Asians get denied so good to see that topic was covered.
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I bet the documentary was all about racism towards black and no mention as to why British Asians are being denied? Correct me if I am wrong?
you are wrong,, i only didn't see the whole programme but it was the racism towards an asian youth player that made him realise that racism was still a problem
Top post.
I do agree that the title of the documentary wasn't the best.
The main theme of it appeared to be that more to eradicate racism in football can be done, and I fully agree with your root thing, however, the point they made about footballers being role models and the game so publicised, and that they could have as big an impact on society than society can on football, was an interesting point.
But in principle, you have nailed it with your post.
Agreed. Racism towards other races than blacks is often overlooked, which is a shame.
I was very shocked at what this kid had said about the scout though. Would never have thought that would have happened nowadays.
The Terry verdict wasn't what they were hoping for and the programme was made to lead up his trial wanting the big finish. The big fish still swims
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Didn't see the programme but let me ask you this, has Clarke Carlise come out and said anything about Rio Ferdinand and his racist remarks to ashley cole?
Of course he hasn't, because it's ok for a black man to make reference to another black mans skin colour. It only becomes a problem when it's not s black man init?
I've got to agree with that.
The FA have been put in a predicament as well. As soon as it becomes a racial issue they're destined to have problems.
I agree about Rio. I think it's fine these players having twitter, as long as it's harmless. Rio should have kept his mouth shut, I agree, it's like he's trying to undo all the good work we've done in this situation.
United conducted ourselves very well during the Suarez-Evra affair, as did Evra in my opinion. Without trying to sound like I'm having a pop, and it's not one-up-manship, had Liverpool conducted themselves in a similar fashion it would have been better for all parties and the sport.
I was very shocked at what this kid had said about the scout though. Would never have thought that would have happened nowadays.
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Clarke Carlisle disgusts me. He is the typical over-the-top anti-racist who in fact creates racism.
Jenas basically said that it's difficult as a footballer to talk about racism due to the nature of how journalist and the public can misrepresent or misinterpret what they say.
For that reason, these players shouldn't be talking about it over twitter. Especially when someone like Rio finds it hard enough using the alphabet let alone articulating himself.
Another quality programme from the BBC. There is still racism in the game. There can be no disputing this when you hear it first-hand from those who have experienced it. But it's not as bad as it used to be.
No doubt the Daily Mail and the anti-anti-racists will complain about the programme.
And the irony now is that clubs are doing their best to tap into the Asian markets. That's where the money and the future lies. Hence all the Far East tours, Chinese sponsors and buying mediocre Korean players so as to sell shirts and attract a bigger fanbase.
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Was an interesting documentary. I have a lot of time for Clarke Carlisle, seen many interviews and he's a very likeable and intelligent man.
I thought Collymore raised some interesting points, specifically with regard to the importance of money in the game and how that influenced the way Liverpool conducted themselves during the Suarez affair.
With that in mind, and taking into account the competitive nature of football, I found Barnes' comments strange, and how he thinks black managers aren't getting jobs because they're black.
I disagree with this and feel that it's a case of who is best for the job is given the job, regardless of race or nationality. There doesn't seem to be many English managers in top positions in English football, I think there are five in the Prem, so it further supports the idea of skills being important over nationality.
Maybe Barnes' failed managerial career has made him rather paranoid? Who knows. Maybe I'm being naive, and there is more to it than meets the eye? Either way, and as he said, there is no way of proving it.
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Did the documentary touch on Mr Morality's ban for drink driving?
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Anfield Rap, to be fair, the title was clearly a way of drawing in viewers. If you were to have watched it, you would have found that a lot of it agreed with your idea that there are elements of racism in football, rather than it out right saying football is racist.
Carlisle and Jenas both said they'd never experienced any racism in football.
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Fair enough, if that's your take on him. I personally think he seems like a decent guy, and when you compare him to some of the that we see on our tv screens it makes me think that more so.
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I bet the documentary was all about racism towards black and no mention as to why British Asians are being denied? Correct me if I am wrong?
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You are wrong. They did focuss on some Asian guys who hadn't ever been picked up by a team. One of the lads said the scout had told his father that he'd specifically been told not to scout any Asian players.
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Darren thanks for correcting me
Annoys me so much how Asians get denied so good to see that topic was covered.
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I bet the documentary was all about racism towards black and no mention as to why British Asians are being denied? Correct me if I am wrong?
you are wrong,, i only didn't see the whole programme but it was the racism towards an asian youth player that made him realise that racism was still a problem
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Top post.
I do agree that the title of the documentary wasn't the best.
The main theme of it appeared to be that more to eradicate racism in football can be done, and I fully agree with your root thing, however, the point they made about footballers being role models and the game so publicised, and that they could have as big an impact on society than society can on football, was an interesting point.
But in principle, you have nailed it with your post.
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Agreed. Racism towards other races than blacks is often overlooked, which is a shame.
I was very shocked at what this kid had said about the scout though. Would never have thought that would have happened nowadays.
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The Terry verdict wasn't what they were hoping for and the programme was made to lead up his trial wanting the big finish. The big fish still swims
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Didn't see the programme but let me ask you this, has Clarke Carlise come out and said anything about Rio Ferdinand and his racist remarks to ashley cole?
Of course he hasn't, because it's ok for a black man to make reference to another black mans skin colour. It only becomes a problem when it's not s black man init?
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I've got to agree with that.
The FA have been put in a predicament as well. As soon as it becomes a racial issue they're destined to have problems.
I agree about Rio. I think it's fine these players having twitter, as long as it's harmless. Rio should have kept his mouth shut, I agree, it's like he's trying to undo all the good work we've done in this situation.
United conducted ourselves very well during the Suarez-Evra affair, as did Evra in my opinion. Without trying to sound like I'm having a pop, and it's not one-up-manship, had Liverpool conducted themselves in a similar fashion it would have been better for all parties and the sport.
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I was very shocked at what this kid had said about the scout though. Would never have thought that would have happened nowadays.
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Clarke Carlisle disgusts me. He is the typical over-the-top anti-racist who in fact creates racism.
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Jenas basically said that it's difficult as a footballer to talk about racism due to the nature of how journalist and the public can misrepresent or misinterpret what they say.
For that reason, these players shouldn't be talking about it over twitter. Especially when someone like Rio finds it hard enough using the alphabet let alone articulating himself.
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Another quality programme from the BBC. There is still racism in the game. There can be no disputing this when you hear it first-hand from those who have experienced it. But it's not as bad as it used to be.
No doubt the Daily Mail and the anti-anti-racists will complain about the programme.
And the irony now is that clubs are doing their best to tap into the Asian markets. That's where the money and the future lies. Hence all the Far East tours, Chinese sponsors and buying mediocre Korean players so as to sell shirts and attract a bigger fanbase.
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