Possitive discrimination doesn't always work.
BusbysBabes
Its common sense too. Why have 2 people on say, £28k (roughly what it is in London Fire Service), to do the job of 1 person on the same wage?
I think the people who put these laws into place probably have every intention of doing them for the right reason, but they dont really think them through, logically.
Anyway, i've got a home made toad in the hole waiting for me indoors (and rightly so, cooking is a woman's job .....JOKE ), so i'm getting out of here..............See ya .
I thought it was quite an interesting show and it's obvious there is racism in football as in all walks of life but qoutas is a stupid idea really as you will always think am I here just because of the quota am I actually wanted. I agree with the Asian community prefer cricket vastly however how about the lads in the documentary he were clearly good enough for at least a trial, they wanted to pursue so how did they not even get a trial. I'm not sure if it is racism but it is weird. The show was really interesting though and I just do not get why fans can't just enjoy the game for the love of it why bring such hate and racism as well as homophobiea etc just enjoy the game and be nice to one another
I have mackerel, thanks to the mrs bleedin' cholesterol
So in conclusion, it's not solely because Asians dedicate themselves to academia, they don't exclusively follow cricket but we all agree we have encountered many Asians with enough talent to make it.
Yet there are no Asian players in the Prem and very few in the whole football league.
Racism seems to be the most likely reason why.
kramthered
More white youth players don't make it in football than Asian players. Is that racism?
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Yet there are no Asian players in the Prem and very few in the whole football league.
Kagawa, Park, the dude from Arsenal, and Bolton had Lee. Slim pickings though.
Why are there no white sumo wrestlers?
Probably not, I'm no expert on the matter but I would find it hard to believe that white people would be dicriminated against because of their race in England.
Red Con
On even closer inspection it goes even deeper than just 'skin colour'. Why are the majority of world class sprinters from Jamaica rather than from the multitude of other countries with black people?
Why are the majority of world class long distance runners from Kenya again, rather from other countries?
I wanna know! Tell me Red, TELL ME!
kramthered (U10304)
posted 2 minutes ago
Probably not, I'm no expert on the matter but I would find it hard to believe that white people would be dicriminated against because of their race in England.
Read the example of the fire service.
Why are the majority of world class long distance runners from Kenya again, rather from other countries?
The altitude.
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On even closer inspection it goes even deeper than just 'skin colour'. Why are the majority of world class sprinters from Jamaica rather than from the multitude of other countries with black people?
Slavery, apparently.
Funrob
Caught the back end of a documentary with Michael Johnson last week concerning that topic, they were alluding to a connection with slavery.
The high altitude is a big factor with the Kenyans being so good at long distance running.
I am not funrob, but yes I caught the Michael Johnson documentary. Though it has been a theory (I'd say a fact) for a long time now.
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Busby
I should have added specifically in football, afterall there are very few Asian managers or chairmen in the game.
No one has answered my question as to why Black men seem to be on average more 'endowed' than others?
Red
We also need to know why on average Asian men seem to be less 'endowed' than others.
I did read somewhere that in the US when black people gained their liberty following the civil war that people created the myth (whether it is a myth or not) that black people were better endowed to invite hostility from other white people.
haha funrob. Perhaps the OP or (or other) can shed light on that?
I did hear that theory too but based on a few calculations and a randomised double-placebo clinically controlled trial, i am reliably informed that it is not a myth
Candidly speaking, i understand the OP's questions and if we are to be brutally honest, racism is endemic in Sport and in all works of life - sadly. Though i dont subscribe to the OP's cack-handed conclusion that SE Asian denizens lack of success is down to 'racism'.
How many black managers in the football leagues again? Tally that with how many black footballers?
comment by Kick My Shinji - FTG (U15224)
posted 3 hours, 9 minutes ago
Bloodred
----------------------------
Agree with your sentiments but havent we been
waiting a lifetime to see this break through?
I mean as a side note, John Barnes once sacked
waited 8 years for his next job, why?
____________________________________
Why? Because he is a terrible manager. The fact that he's Black has nothing to do with it.
____________
funrob,
kramthered
More white youth players don't make it in football than Asian players. Is that racism?
=================
Well said.
I think this should be looked into & the reason asked why a higher percentage of Asian youths make it, as a ratio.
BusbysBabes,
I was watching some Cops With Cameras programme last night (inbetween adverts) & there was a scene where 2 coppers were arresting 2 males outside a nightclub.
One copper (also a male) had his offender on the floor within seconds, handcuffed & was marching him towards the van. The other copper (a female) was asking the other male offender to get on the floor & was trying every tactic in the book, the leg sweep, the roll over the shoulder, everything, but she just couldnt contain him. The gathering crowd were all laughing, when the female officer asked a bouncer opposite to come & help her get the male to the floor.
Now what is the point of the female officer?
What a joke?!
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posted on 19/7/12
Possitive discrimination doesn't always work.
posted on 19/7/12
BusbysBabes
Its common sense too. Why have 2 people on say, £28k (roughly what it is in London Fire Service), to do the job of 1 person on the same wage?
I think the people who put these laws into place probably have every intention of doing them for the right reason, but they dont really think them through, logically.
Anyway, i've got a home made toad in the hole waiting for me indoors (and rightly so, cooking is a woman's job .....JOKE ), so i'm getting out of here..............See ya .
posted on 19/7/12
I thought it was quite an interesting show and it's obvious there is racism in football as in all walks of life but qoutas is a stupid idea really as you will always think am I here just because of the quota am I actually wanted. I agree with the Asian community prefer cricket vastly however how about the lads in the documentary he were clearly good enough for at least a trial, they wanted to pursue so how did they not even get a trial. I'm not sure if it is racism but it is weird. The show was really interesting though and I just do not get why fans can't just enjoy the game for the love of it why bring such hate and racism as well as homophobiea etc just enjoy the game and be nice to one another
posted on 19/7/12
I have mackerel, thanks to the mrs bleedin' cholesterol
posted on 19/7/12
So in conclusion, it's not solely because Asians dedicate themselves to academia, they don't exclusively follow cricket but we all agree we have encountered many Asians with enough talent to make it.
Yet there are no Asian players in the Prem and very few in the whole football league.
Racism seems to be the most likely reason why.
posted on 19/7/12
kramthered
More white youth players don't make it in football than Asian players. Is that racism?
posted on 19/7/12
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posted on 19/7/12
Yet there are no Asian players in the Prem and very few in the whole football league.
Kagawa, Park, the dude from Arsenal, and Bolton had Lee. Slim pickings though.
posted on 19/7/12
Why are there no white sumo wrestlers?
posted on 19/7/12
Probably not, I'm no expert on the matter but I would find it hard to believe that white people would be dicriminated against because of their race in England.
posted on 19/7/12
Red Con
On even closer inspection it goes even deeper than just 'skin colour'. Why are the majority of world class sprinters from Jamaica rather than from the multitude of other countries with black people?
Why are the majority of world class long distance runners from Kenya again, rather from other countries?
I wanna know! Tell me Red, TELL ME!
posted on 19/7/12
kramthered (U10304)
posted 2 minutes ago
Probably not, I'm no expert on the matter but I would find it hard to believe that white people would be dicriminated against because of their race in England.
Read the example of the fire service.
posted on 19/7/12
Why are the majority of world class long distance runners from Kenya again, rather from other countries?
The altitude.
________________________________________
On even closer inspection it goes even deeper than just 'skin colour'. Why are the majority of world class sprinters from Jamaica rather than from the multitude of other countries with black people?
Slavery, apparently.
posted on 19/7/12
Funrob
Caught the back end of a documentary with Michael Johnson last week concerning that topic, they were alluding to a connection with slavery.
The high altitude is a big factor with the Kenyans being so good at long distance running.
posted on 19/7/12
I am not funrob, but yes I caught the Michael Johnson documentary. Though it has been a theory (I'd say a fact) for a long time now.
posted on 19/7/12
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posted on 19/7/12
Busby
I should have added specifically in football, afterall there are very few Asian managers or chairmen in the game.
posted on 19/7/12
No one has answered my question as to why Black men seem to be on average more 'endowed' than others?
posted on 19/7/12
Red
We also need to know why on average Asian men seem to be less 'endowed' than others.
I did read somewhere that in the US when black people gained their liberty following the civil war that people created the myth (whether it is a myth or not) that black people were better endowed to invite hostility from other white people.
posted on 19/7/12
Cue the tight perm joke.
posted on 19/7/12
haha funrob. Perhaps the OP or (or other) can shed light on that?
I did hear that theory too but based on a few calculations and a randomised double-placebo clinically controlled trial, i am reliably informed that it is not a myth
Candidly speaking, i understand the OP's questions and if we are to be brutally honest, racism is endemic in Sport and in all works of life - sadly. Though i dont subscribe to the OP's cack-handed conclusion that SE Asian denizens lack of success is down to 'racism'.
How many black managers in the football leagues again? Tally that with how many black footballers?
posted on 19/7/12
comment by Kick My Shinji - FTG (U15224)
posted 3 hours, 9 minutes ago
Bloodred
----------------------------
Agree with your sentiments but havent we been
waiting a lifetime to see this break through?
I mean as a side note, John Barnes once sacked
waited 8 years for his next job, why?
____________________________________
Why? Because he is a terrible manager. The fact that he's Black has nothing to do with it.
____________
posted on 20/7/12
funrob,
kramthered
More white youth players don't make it in football than Asian players. Is that racism?
=================
Well said.
I think this should be looked into & the reason asked why a higher percentage of Asian youths make it, as a ratio.
BusbysBabes,
I was watching some Cops With Cameras programme last night (inbetween adverts) & there was a scene where 2 coppers were arresting 2 males outside a nightclub.
One copper (also a male) had his offender on the floor within seconds, handcuffed & was marching him towards the van. The other copper (a female) was asking the other male offender to get on the floor & was trying every tactic in the book, the leg sweep, the roll over the shoulder, everything, but she just couldnt contain him. The gathering crowd were all laughing, when the female officer asked a bouncer opposite to come & help her get the male to the floor.
Now what is the point of the female officer?
What a joke?!
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