Well our captain will just have to prove me wrong then...which i certainly hope happens

btw - Scholes always had better technique which is why it looks easier for him. Gerrard was always athletic.

One of them is 30 the other is 21, Cole was getting relegated for WH when he was 21, Cole is renowned for being a luxary player who has good skill for an English man. Pacheco can skip past players with ease, I think he will have a good season this year for us, he has been ahead of most of his peers coming through the ranks and now has a manager that plays the football he likes to play, Playing for Spain Pacheco was the main man.

I find it bizarre you pin your hopes on a washed up show pony with no pace or fitness, but each to their own.

Hopefully they will both prove us wrong and both have a great season for us.

I find it bizarre you pin your hopes on a washed up show pony with no pace or fitness, but each to their own.
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I don't. I just don't base a players ability on a 45 minute friendly.

Oh and I must do because I disagree with you?

I cannot think what else you're basing this particular opinion on to be honest.

He's played 11 league games in his entire life. He did not exactly pull up trees in the Championship. His last two loans have pretty much failed. He was the main man in the U19's because he was not good enough for the u21's who even now he has only played for a couple of times. I can't even think when he has skipped past players because he has not actually played.

21 league games. Sorry - typo

Borini at the same age has only played 36, are you writing him off too?

What is your dislike of young talent, he clearly has natural talent, his lack of oppourtunities before have been down to the type of player he is, he doesn't work in a 4-4-2 and if we were playing that I wouldn't have a hope for him here, hence why Roy tried to coach him in to a robotic wide man and set him back a bit.

Now he has a boss who will let him play his natural game, so he will play with confidence.

I can't even think when he has skipped past players because he has not actually played.

Well he did it beautifully last night to set up Adam.

As said. Basing it on 45 minutes of a friendly.

Nope.

Based on him being one of the best youth talents at the club over the years, based on him being very good at youth international level, which kept him out of getting more game time when he was here. Based on the fact Rafa thought very highley of him. Based on the fact he has natural raw talent. Based on the fact I can see he has a great 1st touch and close control. Based on the fact he can pick the right pass.

And yes based on two good 45 minutes in pre season, what do you want him to do play badly because he played well in pre season before when he was 19 and didn't follow it up.

If thats your basis Cole is a certain for the team as he has been pretty bad along with Carra, Spearing, Eccelston and Enrique.

Okay you can base your opinion on 2 friendlies and what Rafa (who never played him) thought and I'll base mine on his career.

I'll then put my neck on the line and say that a proven International who has been a member of team of the year, was chelsea player of the year, won 3 league, 3 FA Cups and never had any pace to lose anyway is more likely to do a job on the left.

Cool agree to disagree

Reina
Johnson Skrtel Agger Enrique
Gerrard Lucas Aquilani
Ramirez* Borini Suarez

Doni
Kelly Coates Carragher Robinson
Allen Henderson Shelvey
Bellamy ??? Cole

Sell:
Carroll - 17m
Adam - 6m
Spearing - 2m
Downing - 11m
Total: 36m

Buy:
Borini - 11m
Allen - 13m
Ramirez - 15m
Total: 39m

Loan:
Wilson
Sterling
Pacheco