What? That Federer wants to play in Rio?

And even if sponsors insist on it I am sure Roger is in no need of extra revenue. He'll go to Rio for one reason - the desire to win a gold medal if his body is still up to it.

If you're not great then what are you?
Average,above average or mediocre...sorry to be so brutally honest
If Murray fails to win a major he won't be much better then Henman,regardless of how many grand slam finals he makes or how many titles he has won cause he will fall into the same bracket of players who retired slamless.
You're never remember for how many finals you make ( unless its a record like Federers) you're remembered for which titles you win and all of Murrays failed attempts in grand slam finals could actually end up working against him,he could be remembered more for failing to win a major more times then anyone else,rather then for all the titles he won
But lets first see if Murray can actually make a grand slam final without the draw opening up for him,he did do it once before 4 years ago,but as I mentioned before he tanked his first match at the Beijing Olympics to give himself a better chance at the U.S Open,where as Nadal et al didnt
Its hard to see Murray win a major when he has failed to even win one when the draw has opened up for him

"They are not majors they are slams."
Umm no.They are called majors too

Keep digging veejay. Do you want a bigger spade?

How to be a glass half empty person by vj

Your posts bore the pants of me, i can't be the only person who only reads half of what you 'trype' then gets bored and cant be bothered to read the rest

VJ - that was directed at you.

@ LogieB
The fact that you say that then still go on to read what I write says far more about you then it does about me
All you're proving is that you're a liar cause if what Im saying is so boring you wouldn't read it at all but clearly you cant help yourself
Maybe its cause I touched a nerve..I mean if anything I said could be disputed Im sure you and Craig would have done that ages ago
@ Craig and Jonty
The nature of sports is very black and white..if you're not the winner youre the loser.Theres no room for grey areas and all the excuses thats made for Murray
You all can try to sugar coat things about Murray to make it easier for you to deal with but it still won't change anything I said

You have managed to do it again. I got bored, so i only read upto the second

You really are soooooooooooooo boring<double>

Question: Do you live on your own?

No room for excuses eh? Tell that to the original poster here and other Fed fans. They had many excuses lined up for loser Federer on Sunday. Damn I must have been dreaming that Andy is Olympic Champion joining Andre Agassi and Rafael Nadal in holding that honour. How someone is a loser having won eight Masters Cups and has a winning head-to-head against Fed (9-8) I will never know. Heck I will need to redefine who is the GOAT then if Federer has been beaten more times than he has won against as player veejay dubs 'a loser'. Really pretty sad, pathetic stuff being posted here ahgainst currently one of the greatest players in the world which Andy is. The rankings tell us this, fellow pros tell us this, ex-pros tell us this but wait here comes veejay with a differing opinion. Well I know whose opinions I value more and it ain't veejays. Now I think I will watch the Medal Ceremony again on Centre Court to see Fed gaze longingly at Andy's gold medal.

Again CaledonianCraig you are deforming the truth. Murray has not joined Agassi and Nadal as they have a Golden Slam, he has not even joined Kafelnikov for God's sake as he is a multi-slam winner and an Olympic gold winner. By winning the Olympic Gold (you did not dream about that part, only about what you wrote following it ) he joined Mecir and Massu, and I'll be nice and even give you Rosset (the latter has won a slam though, but it was in double, so ok, I'm being nice). Hope you appreciate the free tennis education I am giving you here, in the hope that in the future you will stop deforming the truth just so that you can sugar coat the achievements - which are great, don't get me wrong - of Andy Murray - who is a champion in his own right and Fed agrees with me on that one!

Nice try tike. Agassi and Nadal are Olympic Champions as is Andy Murray. Digest that - it sure beats sour grapes.

Andy Murray - Olympic Champion

And you know what, he'll be the reigning Olympic Champion for another 4 years

@LogieB
Yes Im that boring that youre willing to take precious time out of your life to respond to me
Plus you're making a real fool of yourself while you're at it as everyone here is discussing tennis and you're just trolling..

@ Craig
Didn't I say those were pathetic excuses? So why are you blaming me for something someone else said that I already distanced myself from?
"Currently one of the greatest player in the world at present?" Ok...I'll let you believe that if you want to..you seem like a right wing religious extremist,who won't be happy unless we all crawl up Murrays ass and who is twisting things Im saying around into something its not.But what can one expect from someone who tried to turn this victory at the Olympics and claim it was won at Wimbledon

Andy did very well to win the gold medal,it was a great achievement beating Roger and Novak back to back and I sincerely commend him for doing that but as I said before he still has many questions to answer

He lost at Wimbledon,the title that mattered the most and unlike the Olympics that has 1st,2nd and 3rd,theres only a winner and a loser there and he was the loser

Lets see if he can make a grand slam final without the draw opening up for him.Lets see if he can even win a single major
I would love for you to explain to me how Murray will win a major if he cant even win one when the draw opens up for him
I would also like you to explain to me why you're throwing the GOAT argument in when I have told you at least 100 times on 606v2 that I don't believe there is GOAT,or do you only select the things you want to remember so you can use it for your own agenda as you're doing now.So why are you throwing that in to try and win a debate?
Do whatever makes you happy Craig,watch that medal ceremony till you turn blue in the face,I could care less.
Enjoy this moment to the max,make the most you possibly can of it cause going by previous results and events it could end up being Murrays only "major" victory you'll ever get the chance to celebrate

Its good that you value everyone else's opinion more then mine but don't be offended if I don't believe that,cause if that was true you wouldn't be here trying to save face and prove me wrong

@ Jonty

Lets see if he can defend his gold title

He doesn't need to.

Andy Murray - Olympic Champion....has a nice ring to it.

Has Murray ever defended anything? Cant remember

I'm sure he has but can't be bothered to trawl through all his tournament wins.

Andy Murray - Olympic Champion

I really do pity pathetic put-down posts as yours are Veejay. Sure you congratulate Murray and then belittle in another sentence later so frankly means your congratulations are as hollow as your posts.

Okay you disagree with me that Andy Murray is one of the greatest players in the world at the moment. How many tennis players in the world are there roughly? Tens of thousands and Andy Murray has been ranked in the top four in the world for the last few years almost entirely. If that isn't proof of one of the best players in the world then perhaps you ought to explain why he isn't. Like I said before, others whose tennis knowledge I value far more than yours will also quantify Andy as one of the greatest players in the world at the moment as well. I won't shift you from your viewpoint and I am well nigh certain your viewpoint would remain the same if Murray won a slam in the future so with a mind as closed is yours there is little point continuing with this discussion.

CC you make me laugh. Why would I have sour grapes. I already told you, I am no Murray hater. I prefer fed, true, but I am neither British, nor Swiss, so really I could not care less who wins or lose that final as it was just the Olympic games, so I had no patriotic feeling involved there. I was happy when Fed went a step further than Nole as I wanted him to keep his #1 ranking and the fact that DelPo beat Nole for bronze actually mattered much more to me as it increases the lead Fed has and I thought that DelPo deserved so much more the medal than Nole for the way he gave it his all in that superb match on Friday vs. Fed. So really, I am super happy with the Olympic results and I really hope Murray takes all the positives from it as he now knows he can do it in the Bof5. Even Fed said he was a champion for coming back strong just after the devastating loss at Wimbledon. As Vee-Jay says, there is only one Wimbledon winner. There are though 3 medal winners at the Olympics (men singles) and the most shiny one is Murray but Fed still won silver, not too shabby if you ask me.

Now, you might have missed my point from the previous post. You said he joined Agassi and Nadal and you chose those two on purpose to make it seem like Andy has done something only those two did, but those two did so much more than he did, and what he achieved was also achieved by the other names I gave you, one of which achieved even more than Murray as he won 2 slams, vs. 0 for Murray. So what I meant is that you cherry picking of the names Agassi and Nadal was the most wrong cherry picking you could have done as it was the furthest from the truth amongst all the possible choices. In the list, if you had to choose 2 names only, they should have been Mecir and Massu. I know it hurts but I am sure most tennis knowledgeable people would agree with me as I have clear arguments. Your cherry picking is just a fanatic subjective viewpoint.

Murray cannot be placed in the same sentence as Federer,Djokovic and Nadal,as great as you think he is the gap between him and them is enormous and I seriously doubt he will ever close the gap
They are truly great for what they achieved,he isn't until he starts doing the same.It would be an insult to them to claim he is as great,something you're trying to do now
Nothing you can do or say will make him as great,you can keep claiming it till you go green in the face,it won't change anything
So I go back to my point before,if they are great what does that make him?

LMAO,I congratulated Murray several times over on several different threads but still you're not happy,you won't be happy unless I crown Murray the greatest living human being thats ever lived,the saviour of tennis and god gift to the tennis world,the greatest of the great just because he won a 750 tournament

Im sorry if I don't sugar coat things,but everyone who knows me knows I like to keep things real
Im sorry if the questions I ask offends you but if you want Murray to be as great as you claim he is he will have to start answering those questions
My main argument remains the same,if Murray cannot even win a major with the draw opening up,how is he going to do it?
I really would like you to answer that for me

Like I said veejay no point in carrying on with this as you have a closed mind. I'll choose to listen tho those more qualified to speak such as Roger Federer after Olympic Final: '"He didn't need this [to prove a point], he's an amazing player already. After losing the Wimbledon final it would have been easy for him to have a let-down, but he came here and won gold. This is how champions react."

So Roger labels him an amazing player but veejay doesn't. Hmmm who should I believe. No contest really is there?

I never said he isn't an amazing player,I said he isn't a great player,he cant join the greats of the game because his resume falls short by about a clear 100 miles
There are many amazing players in the draw and many of them don't have the titles to back their amazing game or ability up either,like Richard Gasquet or David Nalbandian for instance
Are you not going to answer the questions I asked you?
Why not?
Its not rocket science,it shouldn't be difficult to answer them at all so why are you struggling or avoiding answering them? Is it because you cant?

And what Of my questions you never answered? You disagree that Andy Murray is one of the greatest players in the world and I asked how is that so? Thousands of players play tennis in the world to a high level and Murray has been ranked in the top four for a number of years. Now if that doesn't qualify him as one of the greatest players in the world at the moment then sorry you have completely lost me. If you claim a draw is opening up when the player deemed the greatest player of all-time (Roger Federer) makes the final then you are clueless. I'd agree the draw would have opened right up if a Tipsarevic or such-like made the final but disn't so that point is invalid.

Murray is number 4 in the world consistently that deserves anyone's respect.

The 3 players above him respect him and call him a great player even if vj chooses to see things differently, their comments hold more weight in this matter.