pes is dire these days

shame because it used to be far better than fifa

Must admit im liking the demo as well having not really enjoyed any football game for a while. Still a few bugs to iron out. Heres hoping that demo 2 is the dogs!

For realism pes 13 demo makes fifa 12 look really awful but pes 13 as a whole looks half finished

Well, its demo 1 of 2 so maybe it is half finished

Plays well so far, enjoying it.
I like the randomness that happens in PES, I don't get that with Fifa. Fifa to me feels very regimented? There's ways to go about scoring. Pes I never know what kind of goal I'm gonna score and still surprises me now.

fifa 12 is scripted

Fifa is very robotic the keeper only makes mid height saves, the defences are always like brick walls and whenever you get past them they catch you up anyway despite being much slower than you are, teams like stoke somehow manage to play like barca when you play them on a hard difficulty and most of all the only difference between a player with good ball control and crap ball control is close control dribbling, other that every place has the touch of messi

Fifa 12 is good but it bugs me how I struggle to beat teams like Peterbrough in the FA Cup,But just spanked UTD 5-1 In the qtr Final.

I hope the 2nd demo is great so i can play pes this season with the converted

I like the controlled through pass system with the r2 button

I used to play Pro Evo in the days when it was a great game and when Fifa was truly terrible.
In the last 4 years, I've been playing Fifa as Pro Evo has dramatically gone backwards.

However, I have been playing Pro Evo12. It's not as bad as the other ones. If Pro Evo13 is an improvement, it should be good. But Konami have a habit of giving you hope and then completely letting you down.

PES 12 is awful. Almost unplayable. Actually it's never really you playing. Its you making suggestions with the controller and the game decided to listen or ignore your suggestions and then to what degree it will do what you asked.

After playing the demo I cannot go back to 12.

comment by RtM™ (U1097)
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remind me of fifa 12

you could literally give the slightest tap of the pass button and your player boots the ball across the pitch.

or you could tap the shoot button and the ball goes out the stadium into orbit

or you could press the normal pass button and it acts as if its a through ball

or you could play a through ball and it acts as if its a normal pass

or you could do an overhead through ball and it goes completely nowhere near where you want it

fifa 12 is a horrible game