I agree but how many times have you said at this point things will be better SWIE then coyle proves you wrong?
After the tough first 6 games last season
By Christmas last year
When the so called easy run of games at the end of last season began
Beginning of this season
October??
Each time he quite simply fails to deliver!!!
He has as long as PG and Big Ed decide to give him. No more or less. The sooner that some of us start to realise that we have no influence over the employment of the current manager and the choice of the next manager and get behind the players then the better. Anything to lift some of the pressure that we as supporters are creating and putting on the Bolton players.
No one is going to want to come to our club at the moment with the atmosphere that is being created! I'm dreading the next home game!
SWIE - it is getting harder to defend what is happening. I have often been accused/slated for backing OC.
PG is giving OC 20 games. Most people on here are giving him 10 games.
We are 3 points off automatic promotion. If wr are still 3 points off 2nd after 10 games, then I think most on here will give him another 10. And so on.
OC has to accept that is the way fans are going to be this season. There is no hiding place now. Results matter more than ever in this league.
If anybody can, hand on heart, say that they have never had a moan about past managers, Neal, McFarland, Lee and Megson I've all wanted to be sacked during my time watching Bolton, then fair enough. Otherwise, it's a bit hypocritical to have a go at people for wanting Coyle out just because you disagree.
JAH good morning. With regards pressure I disagree as last season we saw little or no pressure from fans and the result is the same.
I think performances at this stage are more important than results. If we were playing well yet had the same results then luck, refs etc could be blamed and we would expect things to turn. Sadly so far we quite clearly get what we deserve. This for me is more worrying because without performances we will get a few lucky results here and there but generally fail.
Hull is a average team with a good manager at this level. We are a good team with an average manager in my opinion but that can change. The players won't but Owen Coyle can so they have my support for now. It won't stop being praising or being critical but by the end of October it's all over
Otherwise, it's a bit hypocritical to have a go at people for wanting Coyle out just because you disagree.
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I respect other peoples opinions and I would expect that they will respect mine - I wasn't having a go either, I was just stating facts. I am worried of the effects that we are and will have on the team at the next home game. I think you're being a tad harsh on me tho saying I'm hypocritical.
Best comment I've read on here today is:
"OC has to accept that is the way fans are going to be this season. There is no hiding place now. Results matter more than ever in this league."
WATOAOW - what scares me more than leaving OC in his job is being trigger happy and hiring a Megson in his place. If there was a stand-out manager that we had a hope of attracting then brill, OC has his 10 games and moves on and we hire Mr X, but without a realistic suitable candidate out there and all the usual suspects all out of work I would rather give OC the chance to turn it around than Mick M/Ian Dowie/Billy Davies/Gary Megson/Gary Davies or do a Wolves and fire OC and not be able to get any one else in - that would put LSL back in charge!!!
sammy lee probably has a better record than coyle,
JAH. It wasn't a go at you in particular. It's just something I've thought for a while and decided to write on this thread.
I would disagree with it being a knee jerk decision though, we've been pretty abject for a while now.
I do take your point about having to be very careful about who we bring in next. Equally I think that sometimes things get to the stage where a change just needs to be made. Coyle kept an all but doomed team up when he brought in a fresh outlook and attitude. I think that time might be near again - with longer term success hopefully.
Gordon Strachan anybody?
Joke.
isnt megson looking for a job......
Can we get off the ginger thing. Next someone will be hailing Alex Mcleish as the manager to turn us around
isnt megson looking for a job......
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Unheard previously.
Comedy gold.
King of the one liners.
Witty.
Intelligent.
Tremendous effort. Well done.
Hi guys just got back home after being out all morning.
I have to say I am as disappointed as anyone. None of us can be happy about last night or the game against Burnley. The games against Derby and Forest gave us three points which I am not totally unhappy with.
As for being hypocritical to have a go at people for wanting Coyle out just because you disagree. That's rubbish. It's a matter of opinions and there are a few posters who are quite happy to keep saying Coyle should go or if they are not actually saying that, that is what they are getting at. They are as always entitled to their opinion. Others are prepared to give him more time, which in my opinion is sensible as the season has only just begun. Regarding last nights result, it was a shock to most of us and didn't go down well with any of us.
To be totally honest, now that we are out of that cup, I'm not at all bothered. We were never going to win it and it could have become a distraction. Now it's out of the way and finished with for this season.
Let's just see how things go over the next seven games. As I said earlier, hopefully things will look better. However, I don't suppose it will stop some people calling for him to be sacked.
Apologies Petrov only just read your post - wasn't ignoring it.
Exiled. How is it rubbish? Berating people for something you've done in the past is hypocrisy. Plain and simple.
And to keep saying the season has only just started is presuming that Coyle is starting with a clean slate, which, in a lot of peoples eyes, he isn't.
And finally, dear reader, weren't we all giving him 7 games, 10 games, 'til Christmas etc etc last season?
Sorry SWIE, but 7 games is too long. I am one of Coyles biggest supporters and have been during his tenure. Lets face facts he has under performed for a long time and it simply will not do. I am sure if the majority of us consistantly performed this badly we would be out of a job.
During the 1st half of pre season I could see this poor start coming. As the pre season progressed my "give him till December" became "November". Now for me it is lose against Hull and fail to get a result against Watford and it is curtains.
I'm with SWIE and CEF - We should keep with Coyle for the next 10-15 games - in fact we will know by game 10 how we are doing. Currently we are 5 points off top place and even though we should be walking this division I prefer us to be where we are at the moment, as we can build on our position so we are peaking through the second half of the season.
Blackpool have only one way to go from where they are. Everybody seems to forget the last time we were in this division we started slowly, so lets see how Sat goes against Hull - yeah if we lose that my Coyleometer will be swinging towards replacing him too!
It would be crass stupidity to sack Owen Coyle after 3 games for the affect of what that and finding a replacement would have on the rest of the players - they are human. 10 games we will all know. IMO anything less than a playoff place and I'll be calling for him to go as well!
JAH - the reason I am not typing the words 'Coyle' and 'Out' is very simply because it isn't going to happen yet. I choose to vent my frustration/anger/disappointment away from the forums!
This forum (and others) are much busier after defeats. That is because a lot of people do use forums to vent. I have absolutely no issue with this and will happily engage in the threads.
D-Day 2nd October Reebok stadium 10 games into the season (if you count Crawley). Opponents Leeds.
It will be a cold Tuesday night and if things continue the way they are it should be Coyles last. Leeds are a team who will be up about the promotion places. Lose to them is like 6 points dropped.
Get ready Owen Coyle because it may turn ugly. Many non partisan fans have set the 10 game target and by then your time will be up.
Petrov. Thats my birthday!
Petrov - can't really count last night as there were no points up for grabs. If things continue exactly the way they are, we will have 11 points after 8 games going into the Leeds game. We will be no more than 4 points off 2nd if that is the case.
You really need to do your sums and understand this league.
WATOAOW (U11675)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
Exiled. How is it rubbish? Berating people for something you've done in the past is hypocrisy. Plain and simple.
And to keep saying the season has only just started is presuming that Coyle is starting with a clean slate, which, in a lot of peoples eyes, he isn't.
And finally, dear reader, weren't we all giving him 7 games, 10 games, 'til Christmas etc etc last season?
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Please state were I berated other posters in my article. I didn't so that is why your comment is rubbish.
If you are saying he isn't starting with a clean sheet with some posters that's fine but you now tell me where we will finish at the end of the season. You can't.
I think most reasonable fans will agree three games into the season with 1 win, 1 loss and 1 draw, is far to early to make a decision on whether or not Coyle will fail during the course of the season. He might fail but unless you have a crystal ball you don't know.
As for how many games he gets is not down to us but in my opinion he deserves more games.
CEF, that will be 11 points from 16 or 5 away from the target set.
It will mean the new manager will have to magic 5 points before he even starts on the 2 wins from 3 target.
That would not be fair.
WhiteBic - Ngog has the Npower (U4817)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
Sorry SWIE, but 7 games is too long. I am one of Coyles biggest supporters and have been during his tenure.
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Well your post just prove that you are not one of his biggest supporters.
Ok, PG sacks him after the Hull game, who are we going to get in his place? That is always assuming we lose. We haven't played the game yet. Mind you if the fans who attend the game against Hull don't support the team and the manager, that will help a lot, won't it?
But don't worry because he won't be sacked after the Hull game.
Bricks - i'm going with the 20 game thing as I was told that personally.
No team will get 92 points this season.
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posted 52 minutes ago
D-Day 2nd October Reebok stadium 10 games into the season (if you count Crawley). Opponents Leeds.
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I'm not counting cup games. As I have said previously, we only have one priority and that's the league. Of course you can take it as one of your ten games.
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posted on 29/8/12
I agree but how many times have you said at this point things will be better SWIE then coyle proves you wrong?
After the tough first 6 games last season
By Christmas last year
When the so called easy run of games at the end of last season began
Beginning of this season
October??
Each time he quite simply fails to deliver!!!
posted on 29/8/12
He has as long as PG and Big Ed decide to give him. No more or less. The sooner that some of us start to realise that we have no influence over the employment of the current manager and the choice of the next manager and get behind the players then the better. Anything to lift some of the pressure that we as supporters are creating and putting on the Bolton players.
No one is going to want to come to our club at the moment with the atmosphere that is being created! I'm dreading the next home game!
posted on 29/8/12
SWIE - it is getting harder to defend what is happening. I have often been accused/slated for backing OC.
PG is giving OC 20 games. Most people on here are giving him 10 games.
We are 3 points off automatic promotion. If wr are still 3 points off 2nd after 10 games, then I think most on here will give him another 10. And so on.
OC has to accept that is the way fans are going to be this season. There is no hiding place now. Results matter more than ever in this league.
posted on 29/8/12
If anybody can, hand on heart, say that they have never had a moan about past managers, Neal, McFarland, Lee and Megson I've all wanted to be sacked during my time watching Bolton, then fair enough. Otherwise, it's a bit hypocritical to have a go at people for wanting Coyle out just because you disagree.
posted on 29/8/12
JAH good morning. With regards pressure I disagree as last season we saw little or no pressure from fans and the result is the same.
I think performances at this stage are more important than results. If we were playing well yet had the same results then luck, refs etc could be blamed and we would expect things to turn. Sadly so far we quite clearly get what we deserve. This for me is more worrying because without performances we will get a few lucky results here and there but generally fail.
Hull is a average team with a good manager at this level. We are a good team with an average manager in my opinion but that can change. The players won't but Owen Coyle can so they have my support for now. It won't stop being praising or being critical but by the end of October it's all over
posted on 29/8/12
Otherwise, it's a bit hypocritical to have a go at people for wanting Coyle out just because you disagree.
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I respect other peoples opinions and I would expect that they will respect mine - I wasn't having a go either, I was just stating facts. I am worried of the effects that we are and will have on the team at the next home game. I think you're being a tad harsh on me tho saying I'm hypocritical.
Best comment I've read on here today is:
"OC has to accept that is the way fans are going to be this season. There is no hiding place now. Results matter more than ever in this league."
WATOAOW - what scares me more than leaving OC in his job is being trigger happy and hiring a Megson in his place. If there was a stand-out manager that we had a hope of attracting then brill, OC has his 10 games and moves on and we hire Mr X, but without a realistic suitable candidate out there and all the usual suspects all out of work I would rather give OC the chance to turn it around than Mick M/Ian Dowie/Billy Davies/Gary Megson/Gary Davies or do a Wolves and fire OC and not be able to get any one else in - that would put LSL back in charge!!!
posted on 29/8/12
sammy lee probably has a better record than coyle,
posted on 29/8/12
JAH. It wasn't a go at you in particular. It's just something I've thought for a while and decided to write on this thread.
I would disagree with it being a knee jerk decision though, we've been pretty abject for a while now.
I do take your point about having to be very careful about who we bring in next. Equally I think that sometimes things get to the stage where a change just needs to be made. Coyle kept an all but doomed team up when he brought in a fresh outlook and attitude. I think that time might be near again - with longer term success hopefully.
Gordon Strachan anybody?
Joke.
posted on 29/8/12
isnt megson looking for a job......
posted on 29/8/12
Can we get off the ginger thing. Next someone will be hailing Alex Mcleish as the manager to turn us around
posted on 29/8/12
isnt megson looking for a job......
----------------------
Funny.
Unheard previously.
Comedy gold.
King of the one liners.
Witty.
Intelligent.
Tremendous effort. Well done.
posted on 29/8/12
Hi guys just got back home after being out all morning.
I have to say I am as disappointed as anyone. None of us can be happy about last night or the game against Burnley. The games against Derby and Forest gave us three points which I am not totally unhappy with.
As for being hypocritical to have a go at people for wanting Coyle out just because you disagree. That's rubbish. It's a matter of opinions and there are a few posters who are quite happy to keep saying Coyle should go or if they are not actually saying that, that is what they are getting at. They are as always entitled to their opinion. Others are prepared to give him more time, which in my opinion is sensible as the season has only just begun. Regarding last nights result, it was a shock to most of us and didn't go down well with any of us.
To be totally honest, now that we are out of that cup, I'm not at all bothered. We were never going to win it and it could have become a distraction. Now it's out of the way and finished with for this season.
Let's just see how things go over the next seven games. As I said earlier, hopefully things will look better. However, I don't suppose it will stop some people calling for him to be sacked.
posted on 29/8/12
Apologies Petrov only just read your post - wasn't ignoring it.
posted on 29/8/12
Exiled. How is it rubbish? Berating people for something you've done in the past is hypocrisy. Plain and simple.
And to keep saying the season has only just started is presuming that Coyle is starting with a clean slate, which, in a lot of peoples eyes, he isn't.
And finally, dear reader, weren't we all giving him 7 games, 10 games, 'til Christmas etc etc last season?
posted on 29/8/12
Sorry SWIE, but 7 games is too long. I am one of Coyles biggest supporters and have been during his tenure. Lets face facts he has under performed for a long time and it simply will not do. I am sure if the majority of us consistantly performed this badly we would be out of a job.
During the 1st half of pre season I could see this poor start coming. As the pre season progressed my "give him till December" became "November". Now for me it is lose against Hull and fail to get a result against Watford and it is curtains.
posted on 29/8/12
I'm with SWIE and CEF - We should keep with Coyle for the next 10-15 games - in fact we will know by game 10 how we are doing. Currently we are 5 points off top place and even though we should be walking this division I prefer us to be where we are at the moment, as we can build on our position so we are peaking through the second half of the season.
Blackpool have only one way to go from where they are. Everybody seems to forget the last time we were in this division we started slowly, so lets see how Sat goes against Hull - yeah if we lose that my Coyleometer will be swinging towards replacing him too!
It would be crass stupidity to sack Owen Coyle after 3 games for the affect of what that and finding a replacement would have on the rest of the players - they are human. 10 games we will all know. IMO anything less than a playoff place and I'll be calling for him to go as well!
posted on 29/8/12
JAH - the reason I am not typing the words 'Coyle' and 'Out' is very simply because it isn't going to happen yet. I choose to vent my frustration/anger/disappointment away from the forums!
This forum (and others) are much busier after defeats. That is because a lot of people do use forums to vent. I have absolutely no issue with this and will happily engage in the threads.
posted on 29/8/12
D-Day 2nd October Reebok stadium 10 games into the season (if you count Crawley). Opponents Leeds.
It will be a cold Tuesday night and if things continue the way they are it should be Coyles last. Leeds are a team who will be up about the promotion places. Lose to them is like 6 points dropped.
Get ready Owen Coyle because it may turn ugly. Many non partisan fans have set the 10 game target and by then your time will be up.
posted on 29/8/12
Petrov. Thats my birthday!
posted on 29/8/12
Petrov - can't really count last night as there were no points up for grabs. If things continue exactly the way they are, we will have 11 points after 8 games going into the Leeds game. We will be no more than 4 points off 2nd if that is the case.
You really need to do your sums and understand this league.
posted on 29/8/12
WATOAOW (U11675)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
Exiled. How is it rubbish? Berating people for something you've done in the past is hypocrisy. Plain and simple.
And to keep saying the season has only just started is presuming that Coyle is starting with a clean slate, which, in a lot of peoples eyes, he isn't.
And finally, dear reader, weren't we all giving him 7 games, 10 games, 'til Christmas etc etc last season?
__________________________________________
Please state were I berated other posters in my article. I didn't so that is why your comment is rubbish.
If you are saying he isn't starting with a clean sheet with some posters that's fine but you now tell me where we will finish at the end of the season. You can't.
I think most reasonable fans will agree three games into the season with 1 win, 1 loss and 1 draw, is far to early to make a decision on whether or not Coyle will fail during the course of the season. He might fail but unless you have a crystal ball you don't know.
As for how many games he gets is not down to us but in my opinion he deserves more games.
posted on 29/8/12
CEF, that will be 11 points from 16 or 5 away from the target set.
It will mean the new manager will have to magic 5 points before he even starts on the 2 wins from 3 target.
That would not be fair.
posted on 29/8/12
WhiteBic - Ngog has the Npower (U4817)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
Sorry SWIE, but 7 games is too long. I am one of Coyles biggest supporters and have been during his tenure.
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Well your post just prove that you are not one of his biggest supporters.
Ok, PG sacks him after the Hull game, who are we going to get in his place? That is always assuming we lose. We haven't played the game yet. Mind you if the fans who attend the game against Hull don't support the team and the manager, that will help a lot, won't it?
But don't worry because he won't be sacked after the Hull game.
posted on 29/8/12
Bricks - i'm going with the 20 game thing as I was told that personally.
No team will get 92 points this season.
posted on 29/8/12
Petrov loves brother largehat lots and lots but nothing happened. (U11848)
posted 52 minutes ago
D-Day 2nd October Reebok stadium 10 games into the season (if you count Crawley). Opponents Leeds.
___________________________________________
I'm not counting cup games. As I have said previously, we only have one priority and that's the league. Of course you can take it as one of your ten games.
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