posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
Penited less than convincing, manager being questioned etc, Spurs 3 wins in 3...... = Spursy Penited win
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
Great win last night. Showed tenacity something i really thought we lacked with our lack of leaders. That was good with Ange.
However Disapointed with Ange and his lack of subs. Big problem there. Pulled Hall from a under 21 game again but not named. Two keepers on bench. Azerbaijani team naming more subs than the 9th richest club in the world thats a concern.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 10 hours, 13 minutes ago
I think I’m more angry about what it means going forward rather than this match specifically. That performances in a nutshell sums up why we won’t ever win anything with Ange. The inability to adapt in any given situation for some reason really pizzed me off. Just think a little differently. There’s nothing wrong with tightening up when it’s necessary. He did nothing but continue the way he always plays and I’m sorry but better clubs that Quarabag are going to expose that all the time.
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Fridge still having issues transitioning from 4 years of Jose and Conte ball.
I can just see him watching this, shouting 'park the feckin bus' at the TV
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 39 minutes ago
Great win last night. Showed tenacity something i really thought we lacked with our lack of leaders. That was good with Ange.
However Disapointed with Ange and his lack of subs. Big problem there. Pulled Hall from a under 21 game again but not named. Two keepers on bench. Azerbaijani team naming more subs than the 9th richest club in the world thats a concern.
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This game wad one we needed to win, get off to a good start in this league. Won our home games and we'll be well placed to advance without too many concerns.
Great to see Moore get some time and a shame the Rd probably ruined the ability to give him and Bergvall more pitch time.
We need to play ourselves into this Europa format, 7 games left lots of chances for other youngsters to get some minutes, carefully managed to ensure we are successful at the same time as giving the kids a chance.
'He's one of our own' being sung at MM last night, that must have made him feel $1m.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 10 hours, 13 minutes ago
I think I’m more angry about what it means going forward rather than this match specifically. That performances in a nutshell sums up why we won’t ever win anything with Ange. The inability to adapt in any given situation for some reason really pizzed me off. Just think a little differently. There’s nothing wrong with tightening up when it’s necessary. He did nothing but continue the way he always plays and I’m sorry but better clubs that Quarabag are going to expose that all the time.
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Fridge still having issues transitioning from 4 years of Jose and Conte ball.
I can just see him watching this, shouting 'park the feckin bus' at the TV
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Fridge has a point - against a side with competent finishers we probably go in 3-1 down at half time, our goal led a charmed life.
Ange tweaked it at half time and we looked much better defensively whilst remaining clinical up top.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 10 hours, 13 minutes ago
I think I’m more angry about what it means going forward rather than this match specifically. That performances in a nutshell sums up why we won’t ever win anything with Ange. The inability to adapt in any given situation for some reason really pizzed me off. Just think a little differently. There’s nothing wrong with tightening up when it’s necessary. He did nothing but continue the way he always plays and I’m sorry but better clubs that Quarabag are going to expose that all the time.
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Fridge still having issues transitioning from 4 years of Jose and Conte ball.
I can just see him watching this, shouting 'park the feckin bus' at the TV
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Fridge has a point - against a side with competent finishers we probably go in 3-1 down at half time, our goal led a charmed life.
Ange tweaked it at half time and we looked much better defensively whilst remaining clinical up top.
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Ifs and buts and maybes.
You expect some chaos when you lose a defender after 7 minutes, and dont have another one on the bench. We are hardly a seasoned team who have developed over years of playing together who know how to respond in every situation.
It took that half time to get a bit of structure back in the team and we looked comfortable for large parts, although at 3 we looked a bit tired and foot off the gas.
It amazes me how fans have still not figured out how we play. We're not going to retreat . Embrace it and enjoy.
Staggering how many negative comments there are from a superb result in adversity.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
Dev, I'm happy with the result, don't get me wrong, and I know this is just one isolated game but in an age where even the very best managers, like Pep, apply more caution than Ange does, I just don't think you can win anything playing that way.
There's a strange arrogance about Ange, which, granted, you need to be a successful manager. But having spent his entire career in Australia, Japan and Scotland, believing you can apply the same tactical naivety to any of the top leagues in world football is bordering on delusional. The reason his tactics worked in Australia and Japan is probably because opposition teams in those leagues weren't as tactically advanced to copy with it. In Scotland, he had the freedom to implement it because he joined the best team in that division. He has a remarkable level of self-belief which is great, but I wonder whether internally he has doubts. Eventually if a cruiserweight enters a heavyweight division, he's gonna get knocked out cold.
If you heard the same bravado about a club eventually getting glorious success from someone like Sam Allardyce, he'd be a social media laughing stock. What is it that makes Ange's words any less ridiculous? They are just words at the end of the day. We need to see those promises play out on the pitch and no fortunate victory over Coventry or European win over a wasteful side with 10 men is going to change that.
He talks a lot. I now want to see the talking done on the pitch. 3 wins on the bounce. Now keep it going.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
Facking hell fridgey and I thought I was a negative caaaant
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
Dev, I'm happy with the result, don't get me wrong, and I know this is just one isolated game but in an age where even the very best managers, like Pep, apply more caution than Ange does, I just don't think you can win anything playing that way.
There's a strange arrogance about Ange, which, granted, you need to be a successful manager. But having spent his entire career in Australia, Japan and Scotland, believing you can apply the same tactical naivety to any of the top leagues in world football is bordering on delusional. The reason his tactics worked in Australia and Japan is probably because opposition teams in those leagues weren't as tactically advanced to copy with it. In Scotland, he had the freedom to implement it because he joined the best team in that division. He has a remarkable level of self-belief which is great, but I wonder whether internally he has doubts. Eventually if a cruiserweight enters a heavyweight division, he's gonna get knocked out cold.
If you heard the same bravado about a club eventually getting glorious success from someone like Sam Allardyce, he'd be a social media laughing stock. What is it that makes Ange's words any less ridiculous? They are just words at the end of the day. We need to see those promises play out on the pitch and no fortunate victory over Coventry or European win over a wasteful side with 10 men is going to change that.
He talks a lot. I now want to see the talking done on the pitch. 3 wins on the bounce. Now keep it going.
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Hes a bit up himself at times and that can land in different ways.
But it does reflect his overall approach to be of absolute confidence in what you are wanting to achieve and how you want to achieve it.
You cannot have any doubt in a mindset like this, like a boxer you step into that ring 100% believing you will win otherwise you are 100% gonna get beaten up. You cannot question yourself.
Its the same in the way he answers questions as to how he sets the team up. Absolute belief which if you step back from and say "i usually win in my 2nd season but....." or change tactics to park the bus in a big game, then you start to undermine that belief and the message. You are expressing or demonstrating doubts, and the message changes.
For me its refreshing from a Spurs perspective. We have lacked that belief over the years. At times it's been the only missing ingredient. May be the missing ingredient for Ange having a truly exceptional squad to deliver Angeball.
Maybe Angeball can never work....but for me he has to portray this absolute confidence because if you do not, then regardless of the players you will fall short. No successful manager lacks belief or confidence in what they are doing.
For me Ange is too candid but he has created by being so open and honest in pressers. He's being asked questions now that he should just side step instead of making easy headlines
For me last night was a classic example of that belief. Keep "doing what we do mate" and don't take a step back and it was a great result. Many criticise but what happens if we sit back and park the bus? How well did we do in Europe with Conte and Jose? There's no guarantee that we would come out of last night game with a win or a draw. Instead we take some risks and win handsomely.
You could say the same about 9 men vs Chelsea. No one last a half with 9 men. You get beat every time. But it's a go down swinging attitude. It's a go for the knock out not a points win.
We will see where it takes us but I will enjoy the ride and see no point in predicting failure. To do so is the very antithesis of what the mindset of the players and the coach will be.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
I hear what you're saying, and like I say, I'm happy with the win, but I'm not judging that game based on yesterday's opponents, I'm judging it against that being the policy whoever we play, which I'm against.
Fundamentally most of my concerns are embedded in this determination to follow extremes. Under Conte it was all out caution. Under Ange it's all out attack and I think both are flawed. You need a balance. Under Poch we were expansive and had a real identity of free-flowing attacking football but we were solid when we needed to be.
I'm just growing really tired of how exposed our defence is game after game and that might seem a weird take given we've just won three on the bounce (as Chronic has alluded to ) but to not see any attempt to shore things up was just plain bizarre, particularly when we went 2-0 up.
The other worry for me was that we didn't really have anyone who could have made us more solid. All of our midfield options are those adept at playing with the ball, rather than someone like PEH, who's skillset lies in providing protection without. I think we're very short in that area now. We really don't have the kind of players that know how to set up without the ball. Our squad is structured for one way of playing, which is concern if we lose a player against better opposition.
Weirdly, I used to quite like it when Ange did bring on PEH because it showed an element of pragmatism. An insistence that the result is more important than the performance in any one game. That option is now gone so I really don't know how we could dig in now anyway.
Like I say, weird thing to say after 3 wins but lets not kid ourselves. We could, and should have lost to Coventry and on another night could have been smashed by Qarabag.
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/2024/september/man-united-vs-spurs-how-to-watch-team-news-kit-colours-key-information/
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 day, 18 hours ago
I hear what you're saying, and like I say, I'm happy with the win, but I'm not judging that game based on yesterday's opponents, I'm judging it against that being the policy whoever we play, which I'm against.
Fundamentally most of my concerns are embedded in this determination to follow extremes. Under Conte it was all out caution. Under Ange it's all out attack and I think both are flawed. You need a balance. Under Poch we were expansive and had a real identity of free-flowing attacking football but we were solid when we needed to be.
I'm just growing really tired of how exposed our defence is game after game and that might seem a weird take given we've just won three on the bounce (as Chronic has alluded to) but to not see any attempt to shore things up was just plain bizarre, particularly when we went 2-0 up.
The other worry for me was that we didn't really have anyone who could have made us more solid. All of our midfield options are those adept at playing with the ball, rather than someone like PEH, who's skillset lies in providing protection without. I think we're very short in that area now. We really don't have the kind of players that know how to set up without the ball. Our squad is structured for one way of playing, which is concern if we lose a player against better opposition.
Weirdly, I used to quite like it when Ange did bring on PEH because it showed an element of pragmatism. An insistence that the result is more important than the performance in any one game. That option is now gone so I really don't know how we could dig in now anyway.
Like I say, weird thing to say after 3 wins but lets not kid ourselves. We could, and should have lost to Coventry and on another night could have been smashed by Qarabag.
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I can see the bigger picture,some of the issues we have, but I am not going to deal in what ifs. We beat Coventry. Yes we played crap with a lot of changes but did enough. We beat Qarabag because we went at them, with 10 men. Both games our quality told in the end.
We have to show this way can succeed and to do that we need to get some good result at places like United.
So far I feel that we haven't succeed because we haven't played well enough. In attack we had troubles turning possession into chances and defensively there have been individual errors. When it has clicked, mainly at home, we have been dominant winners.
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 day, 18 hours ago
I hear what you're saying, and like I say, I'm happy with the win, but I'm not judging that game based on yesterday's opponents, I'm judging it against that being the policy whoever we play, which I'm against.
Fundamentally most of my concerns are embedded in this determination to follow extremes. Under Conte it was all out caution. Under Ange it's all out attack and I think both are flawed. You need a balance. Under Poch we were expansive and had a real identity of free-flowing attacking football but we were solid when we needed to be.
I'm just growing really tired of how exposed our defence is game after game and that might seem a weird take given we've just won three on the bounce (as Chronic has alluded to) but to not see any attempt to shore things up was just plain bizarre, particularly when we went 2-0 up.
The other worry for me was that we didn't really have anyone who could have made us more solid. All of our midfield options are those adept at playing with the ball, rather than someone like PEH, who's skillset lies in providing protection without. I think we're very short in that area now. We really don't have the kind of players that know how to set up without the ball. Our squad is structured for one way of playing, which is concern if we lose a player against better opposition.
Weirdly, I used to quite like it when Ange did bring on PEH because it showed an element of pragmatism. An insistence that the result is more important than the performance in any one game. That option is now gone so I really don't know how we could dig in now anyway.
Like I say, weird thing to say after 3 wins but lets not kid ourselves. We could, and should have lost to Coventry and on another night could have been smashed by Qarabag.
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I can see the bigger picture,some of the issues we have, but I am not going to deal in what ifs. We beat Coventry. Yes we played crap with a lot of changes but did enough. We beat Qarabag because we went at them, with 10 men. Both games our quality told in the end.
We have to show this way can succeed and to do that we need to get some good result at places like United.
So far I feel that we haven't succeed because we haven't played well enough. In attack we had troubles turning possession into chances and defensively there have been individual errors. When it has clicked, mainly at home, we have been dominant winners.
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Qarabag we should have lost that game 3-4??!
They didn't take their chances.
Our defensive play is shatt
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 day, 18 hours ago
I hear what you're saying, and like I say, I'm happy with the win, but I'm not judging that game based on yesterday's opponents, I'm judging it against that being the policy whoever we play, which I'm against.
Fundamentally most of my concerns are embedded in this determination to follow extremes. Under Conte it was all out caution. Under Ange it's all out attack and I think both are flawed. You need a balance. Under Poch we were expansive and had a real identity of free-flowing attacking football but we were solid when we needed to be.
I'm just growing really tired of how exposed our defence is game after game and that might seem a weird take given we've just won three on the bounce (as Chronic has alluded to) but to not see any attempt to shore things up was just plain bizarre, particularly when we went 2-0 up.
The other worry for me was that we didn't really have anyone who could have made us more solid. All of our midfield options are those adept at playing with the ball, rather than someone like PEH, who's skillset lies in providing protection without. I think we're very short in that area now. We really don't have the kind of players that know how to set up without the ball. Our squad is structured for one way of playing, which is concern if we lose a player against better opposition.
Weirdly, I used to quite like it when Ange did bring on PEH because it showed an element of pragmatism. An insistence that the result is more important than the performance in any one game. That option is now gone so I really don't know how we could dig in now anyway.
Like I say, weird thing to say after 3 wins but lets not kid ourselves. We could, and should have lost to Coventry and on another night could have been smashed by Qarabag.
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I can see the bigger picture,some of the issues we have, but I am not going to deal in what ifs. We beat Coventry. Yes we played crap with a lot of changes but did enough. We beat Qarabag because we went at them, with 10 men. Both games our quality told in the end.
We have to show this way can succeed and to do that we need to get some good result at places like United.
So far I feel that we haven't succeed because we haven't played well enough. In attack we had troubles turning possession into chances and defensively there have been individual errors. When it has clicked, mainly at home, we have been dominant winners.
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Qarabag we should have lost that game 3-4??!
They didn't take their chances.
Our defensive play is shatt
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Currently we've let in 5 goals in 7 games. It's not that "shatt"
Gotta love fans who predict we should have lost if then opposition took all their chances, but ignore everything else. Makes it sound like you wanted us to lose, gutted when their goal was disallowed by VAR
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
29 September 2012 , Spurs won 3-2 at old Trafford
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 day, 18 hours ago
I hear what you're saying, and like I say, I'm happy with the win, but I'm not judging that game based on yesterday's opponents, I'm judging it against that being the policy whoever we play, which I'm against.
Fundamentally most of my concerns are embedded in this determination to follow extremes. Under Conte it was all out caution. Under Ange it's all out attack and I think both are flawed. You need a balance. Under Poch we were expansive and had a real identity of free-flowing attacking football but we were solid when we needed to be.
I'm just growing really tired of how exposed our defence is game after game and that might seem a weird take given we've just won three on the bounce (as Chronic has alluded to) but to not see any attempt to shore things up was just plain bizarre, particularly when we went 2-0 up.
The other worry for me was that we didn't really have anyone who could have made us more solid. All of our midfield options are those adept at playing with the ball, rather than someone like PEH, who's skillset lies in providing protection without. I think we're very short in that area now. We really don't have the kind of players that know how to set up without the ball. Our squad is structured for one way of playing, which is concern if we lose a player against better opposition.
Weirdly, I used to quite like it when Ange did bring on PEH because it showed an element of pragmatism. An insistence that the result is more important than the performance in any one game. That option is now gone so I really don't know how we could dig in now anyway.
Like I say, weird thing to say after 3 wins but lets not kid ourselves. We could, and should have lost to Coventry and on another night could have been smashed by Qarabag.
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I can see the bigger picture,some of the issues we have, but I am not going to deal in what ifs. We beat Coventry. Yes we played crap with a lot of changes but did enough. We beat Qarabag because we went at them, with 10 men. Both games our quality told in the end.
We have to show this way can succeed and to do that we need to get some good result at places like United.
So far I feel that we haven't succeed because we haven't played well enough. In attack we had troubles turning possession into chances and defensively there have been individual errors. When it has clicked, mainly at home, we have been dominant winners.
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You say we haven’t succeeded because we haven’t played well enough, well, you could argue that the system is the reason why. Exposed defence, Son too isolated out wide, no defensive instinct in midfield to deal with issues off the ball, inverted full backs causing congestion in midfield areas stopping Maddison from finding the space he needs. I could think of a thousand reasons why the system might be contributing to that lack of success. Equally, as you say, they might not be implementing Ange’s game well enough, but that’s still on the manager, or those higher up for not finding the players suitable for that style.
I don’t think we get the result we want today. 3-1 United.
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
No Son today
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
Anyway, came on here to say no Sonny today. Hamstring issue. Unsure if it’ll impact more games.
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
Missed the exclusive by 4 seconds 😂
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
I’d like to see
Vicario
Porro Romero VDV Udogie
Bissouma
Bents Madders
Kulu Solanke Johnson
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
Son a big miss for you guys
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
How Manchester United line up this afternoon vs #thfc Onana,
Mazraoui, Martinez, De ligt, Dalot,
Ugarte, Mainoo
Bruno,
Garnacho, Zirkzee & Rashford
@utdscope
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
Old Trafford holds no fear for any teams in recent years we all know that but we will need to be on it today or we will come away with nothing. The high line needs to work for once along with press as they have the pace to take us apart regardless how good or bad we think they are.
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
Not too fussed about Sonny being out as he generally does not turn up for these games anyway.
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
I think they’ll win comfortably today because we play high line, high risk football and they’re the best in the league at counter attacking. Well control possession, they’ll have the key moments that matter.
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posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
Penited less than convincing, manager being questioned etc, Spurs 3 wins in 3...... = Spursy Penited win
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
Great win last night. Showed tenacity something i really thought we lacked with our lack of leaders. That was good with Ange.
However Disapointed with Ange and his lack of subs. Big problem there. Pulled Hall from a under 21 game again but not named. Two keepers on bench. Azerbaijani team naming more subs than the 9th richest club in the world thats a concern.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 10 hours, 13 minutes ago
I think I’m more angry about what it means going forward rather than this match specifically. That performances in a nutshell sums up why we won’t ever win anything with Ange. The inability to adapt in any given situation for some reason really pizzed me off. Just think a little differently. There’s nothing wrong with tightening up when it’s necessary. He did nothing but continue the way he always plays and I’m sorry but better clubs that Quarabag are going to expose that all the time.
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Fridge still having issues transitioning from 4 years of Jose and Conte ball.
I can just see him watching this, shouting 'park the feckin bus' at the TV
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 39 minutes ago
Great win last night. Showed tenacity something i really thought we lacked with our lack of leaders. That was good with Ange.
However Disapointed with Ange and his lack of subs. Big problem there. Pulled Hall from a under 21 game again but not named. Two keepers on bench. Azerbaijani team naming more subs than the 9th richest club in the world thats a concern.
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This game wad one we needed to win, get off to a good start in this league. Won our home games and we'll be well placed to advance without too many concerns.
Great to see Moore get some time and a shame the Rd probably ruined the ability to give him and Bergvall more pitch time.
We need to play ourselves into this Europa format, 7 games left lots of chances for other youngsters to get some minutes, carefully managed to ensure we are successful at the same time as giving the kids a chance.
'He's one of our own' being sung at MM last night, that must have made him feel $1m.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 10 hours, 13 minutes ago
I think I’m more angry about what it means going forward rather than this match specifically. That performances in a nutshell sums up why we won’t ever win anything with Ange. The inability to adapt in any given situation for some reason really pizzed me off. Just think a little differently. There’s nothing wrong with tightening up when it’s necessary. He did nothing but continue the way he always plays and I’m sorry but better clubs that Quarabag are going to expose that all the time.
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Fridge still having issues transitioning from 4 years of Jose and Conte ball.
I can just see him watching this, shouting 'park the feckin bus' at the TV
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Fridge has a point - against a side with competent finishers we probably go in 3-1 down at half time, our goal led a charmed life.
Ange tweaked it at half time and we looked much better defensively whilst remaining clinical up top.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 10 hours, 13 minutes ago
I think I’m more angry about what it means going forward rather than this match specifically. That performances in a nutshell sums up why we won’t ever win anything with Ange. The inability to adapt in any given situation for some reason really pizzed me off. Just think a little differently. There’s nothing wrong with tightening up when it’s necessary. He did nothing but continue the way he always plays and I’m sorry but better clubs that Quarabag are going to expose that all the time.
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Fridge still having issues transitioning from 4 years of Jose and Conte ball.
I can just see him watching this, shouting 'park the feckin bus' at the TV
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Fridge has a point - against a side with competent finishers we probably go in 3-1 down at half time, our goal led a charmed life.
Ange tweaked it at half time and we looked much better defensively whilst remaining clinical up top.
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Ifs and buts and maybes.
You expect some chaos when you lose a defender after 7 minutes, and dont have another one on the bench. We are hardly a seasoned team who have developed over years of playing together who know how to respond in every situation.
It took that half time to get a bit of structure back in the team and we looked comfortable for large parts, although at 3 we looked a bit tired and foot off the gas.
It amazes me how fans have still not figured out how we play. We're not going to retreat . Embrace it and enjoy.
Staggering how many negative comments there are from a superb result in adversity.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
Dev, I'm happy with the result, don't get me wrong, and I know this is just one isolated game but in an age where even the very best managers, like Pep, apply more caution than Ange does, I just don't think you can win anything playing that way.
There's a strange arrogance about Ange, which, granted, you need to be a successful manager. But having spent his entire career in Australia, Japan and Scotland, believing you can apply the same tactical naivety to any of the top leagues in world football is bordering on delusional. The reason his tactics worked in Australia and Japan is probably because opposition teams in those leagues weren't as tactically advanced to copy with it. In Scotland, he had the freedom to implement it because he joined the best team in that division. He has a remarkable level of self-belief which is great, but I wonder whether internally he has doubts. Eventually if a cruiserweight enters a heavyweight division, he's gonna get knocked out cold.
If you heard the same bravado about a club eventually getting glorious success from someone like Sam Allardyce, he'd be a social media laughing stock. What is it that makes Ange's words any less ridiculous? They are just words at the end of the day. We need to see those promises play out on the pitch and no fortunate victory over Coventry or European win over a wasteful side with 10 men is going to change that.
He talks a lot. I now want to see the talking done on the pitch. 3 wins on the bounce. Now keep it going.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
Facking hell fridgey and I thought I was a negative caaaant
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
Dev, I'm happy with the result, don't get me wrong, and I know this is just one isolated game but in an age where even the very best managers, like Pep, apply more caution than Ange does, I just don't think you can win anything playing that way.
There's a strange arrogance about Ange, which, granted, you need to be a successful manager. But having spent his entire career in Australia, Japan and Scotland, believing you can apply the same tactical naivety to any of the top leagues in world football is bordering on delusional. The reason his tactics worked in Australia and Japan is probably because opposition teams in those leagues weren't as tactically advanced to copy with it. In Scotland, he had the freedom to implement it because he joined the best team in that division. He has a remarkable level of self-belief which is great, but I wonder whether internally he has doubts. Eventually if a cruiserweight enters a heavyweight division, he's gonna get knocked out cold.
If you heard the same bravado about a club eventually getting glorious success from someone like Sam Allardyce, he'd be a social media laughing stock. What is it that makes Ange's words any less ridiculous? They are just words at the end of the day. We need to see those promises play out on the pitch and no fortunate victory over Coventry or European win over a wasteful side with 10 men is going to change that.
He talks a lot. I now want to see the talking done on the pitch. 3 wins on the bounce. Now keep it going.
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Hes a bit up himself at times and that can land in different ways.
But it does reflect his overall approach to be of absolute confidence in what you are wanting to achieve and how you want to achieve it.
You cannot have any doubt in a mindset like this, like a boxer you step into that ring 100% believing you will win otherwise you are 100% gonna get beaten up. You cannot question yourself.
Its the same in the way he answers questions as to how he sets the team up. Absolute belief which if you step back from and say "i usually win in my 2nd season but....." or change tactics to park the bus in a big game, then you start to undermine that belief and the message. You are expressing or demonstrating doubts, and the message changes.
For me its refreshing from a Spurs perspective. We have lacked that belief over the years. At times it's been the only missing ingredient. May be the missing ingredient for Ange having a truly exceptional squad to deliver Angeball.
Maybe Angeball can never work....but for me he has to portray this absolute confidence because if you do not, then regardless of the players you will fall short. No successful manager lacks belief or confidence in what they are doing.
For me Ange is too candid but he has created by being so open and honest in pressers. He's being asked questions now that he should just side step instead of making easy headlines
For me last night was a classic example of that belief. Keep "doing what we do mate" and don't take a step back and it was a great result. Many criticise but what happens if we sit back and park the bus? How well did we do in Europe with Conte and Jose? There's no guarantee that we would come out of last night game with a win or a draw. Instead we take some risks and win handsomely.
You could say the same about 9 men vs Chelsea. No one last a half with 9 men. You get beat every time. But it's a go down swinging attitude. It's a go for the knock out not a points win.
We will see where it takes us but I will enjoy the ride and see no point in predicting failure. To do so is the very antithesis of what the mindset of the players and the coach will be.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
I hear what you're saying, and like I say, I'm happy with the win, but I'm not judging that game based on yesterday's opponents, I'm judging it against that being the policy whoever we play, which I'm against.
Fundamentally most of my concerns are embedded in this determination to follow extremes. Under Conte it was all out caution. Under Ange it's all out attack and I think both are flawed. You need a balance. Under Poch we were expansive and had a real identity of free-flowing attacking football but we were solid when we needed to be.
I'm just growing really tired of how exposed our defence is game after game and that might seem a weird take given we've just won three on the bounce (as Chronic has alluded to ) but to not see any attempt to shore things up was just plain bizarre, particularly when we went 2-0 up.
The other worry for me was that we didn't really have anyone who could have made us more solid. All of our midfield options are those adept at playing with the ball, rather than someone like PEH, who's skillset lies in providing protection without. I think we're very short in that area now. We really don't have the kind of players that know how to set up without the ball. Our squad is structured for one way of playing, which is concern if we lose a player against better opposition.
Weirdly, I used to quite like it when Ange did bring on PEH because it showed an element of pragmatism. An insistence that the result is more important than the performance in any one game. That option is now gone so I really don't know how we could dig in now anyway.
Like I say, weird thing to say after 3 wins but lets not kid ourselves. We could, and should have lost to Coventry and on another night could have been smashed by Qarabag.
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/2024/september/man-united-vs-spurs-how-to-watch-team-news-kit-colours-key-information/
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 day, 18 hours ago
I hear what you're saying, and like I say, I'm happy with the win, but I'm not judging that game based on yesterday's opponents, I'm judging it against that being the policy whoever we play, which I'm against.
Fundamentally most of my concerns are embedded in this determination to follow extremes. Under Conte it was all out caution. Under Ange it's all out attack and I think both are flawed. You need a balance. Under Poch we were expansive and had a real identity of free-flowing attacking football but we were solid when we needed to be.
I'm just growing really tired of how exposed our defence is game after game and that might seem a weird take given we've just won three on the bounce (as Chronic has alluded to) but to not see any attempt to shore things up was just plain bizarre, particularly when we went 2-0 up.
The other worry for me was that we didn't really have anyone who could have made us more solid. All of our midfield options are those adept at playing with the ball, rather than someone like PEH, who's skillset lies in providing protection without. I think we're very short in that area now. We really don't have the kind of players that know how to set up without the ball. Our squad is structured for one way of playing, which is concern if we lose a player against better opposition.
Weirdly, I used to quite like it when Ange did bring on PEH because it showed an element of pragmatism. An insistence that the result is more important than the performance in any one game. That option is now gone so I really don't know how we could dig in now anyway.
Like I say, weird thing to say after 3 wins but lets not kid ourselves. We could, and should have lost to Coventry and on another night could have been smashed by Qarabag.
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I can see the bigger picture,some of the issues we have, but I am not going to deal in what ifs. We beat Coventry. Yes we played crap with a lot of changes but did enough. We beat Qarabag because we went at them, with 10 men. Both games our quality told in the end.
We have to show this way can succeed and to do that we need to get some good result at places like United.
So far I feel that we haven't succeed because we haven't played well enough. In attack we had troubles turning possession into chances and defensively there have been individual errors. When it has clicked, mainly at home, we have been dominant winners.
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 day, 18 hours ago
I hear what you're saying, and like I say, I'm happy with the win, but I'm not judging that game based on yesterday's opponents, I'm judging it against that being the policy whoever we play, which I'm against.
Fundamentally most of my concerns are embedded in this determination to follow extremes. Under Conte it was all out caution. Under Ange it's all out attack and I think both are flawed. You need a balance. Under Poch we were expansive and had a real identity of free-flowing attacking football but we were solid when we needed to be.
I'm just growing really tired of how exposed our defence is game after game and that might seem a weird take given we've just won three on the bounce (as Chronic has alluded to) but to not see any attempt to shore things up was just plain bizarre, particularly when we went 2-0 up.
The other worry for me was that we didn't really have anyone who could have made us more solid. All of our midfield options are those adept at playing with the ball, rather than someone like PEH, who's skillset lies in providing protection without. I think we're very short in that area now. We really don't have the kind of players that know how to set up without the ball. Our squad is structured for one way of playing, which is concern if we lose a player against better opposition.
Weirdly, I used to quite like it when Ange did bring on PEH because it showed an element of pragmatism. An insistence that the result is more important than the performance in any one game. That option is now gone so I really don't know how we could dig in now anyway.
Like I say, weird thing to say after 3 wins but lets not kid ourselves. We could, and should have lost to Coventry and on another night could have been smashed by Qarabag.
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I can see the bigger picture,some of the issues we have, but I am not going to deal in what ifs. We beat Coventry. Yes we played crap with a lot of changes but did enough. We beat Qarabag because we went at them, with 10 men. Both games our quality told in the end.
We have to show this way can succeed and to do that we need to get some good result at places like United.
So far I feel that we haven't succeed because we haven't played well enough. In attack we had troubles turning possession into chances and defensively there have been individual errors. When it has clicked, mainly at home, we have been dominant winners.
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Qarabag we should have lost that game 3-4??!
They didn't take their chances.
Our defensive play is shatt
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 day, 18 hours ago
I hear what you're saying, and like I say, I'm happy with the win, but I'm not judging that game based on yesterday's opponents, I'm judging it against that being the policy whoever we play, which I'm against.
Fundamentally most of my concerns are embedded in this determination to follow extremes. Under Conte it was all out caution. Under Ange it's all out attack and I think both are flawed. You need a balance. Under Poch we were expansive and had a real identity of free-flowing attacking football but we were solid when we needed to be.
I'm just growing really tired of how exposed our defence is game after game and that might seem a weird take given we've just won three on the bounce (as Chronic has alluded to) but to not see any attempt to shore things up was just plain bizarre, particularly when we went 2-0 up.
The other worry for me was that we didn't really have anyone who could have made us more solid. All of our midfield options are those adept at playing with the ball, rather than someone like PEH, who's skillset lies in providing protection without. I think we're very short in that area now. We really don't have the kind of players that know how to set up without the ball. Our squad is structured for one way of playing, which is concern if we lose a player against better opposition.
Weirdly, I used to quite like it when Ange did bring on PEH because it showed an element of pragmatism. An insistence that the result is more important than the performance in any one game. That option is now gone so I really don't know how we could dig in now anyway.
Like I say, weird thing to say after 3 wins but lets not kid ourselves. We could, and should have lost to Coventry and on another night could have been smashed by Qarabag.
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I can see the bigger picture,some of the issues we have, but I am not going to deal in what ifs. We beat Coventry. Yes we played crap with a lot of changes but did enough. We beat Qarabag because we went at them, with 10 men. Both games our quality told in the end.
We have to show this way can succeed and to do that we need to get some good result at places like United.
So far I feel that we haven't succeed because we haven't played well enough. In attack we had troubles turning possession into chances and defensively there have been individual errors. When it has clicked, mainly at home, we have been dominant winners.
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Qarabag we should have lost that game 3-4??!
They didn't take their chances.
Our defensive play is shatt
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Currently we've let in 5 goals in 7 games. It's not that "shatt"
Gotta love fans who predict we should have lost if then opposition took all their chances, but ignore everything else. Makes it sound like you wanted us to lose, gutted when their goal was disallowed by VAR
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
29 September 2012 , Spurs won 3-2 at old Trafford
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 day, 18 hours ago
I hear what you're saying, and like I say, I'm happy with the win, but I'm not judging that game based on yesterday's opponents, I'm judging it against that being the policy whoever we play, which I'm against.
Fundamentally most of my concerns are embedded in this determination to follow extremes. Under Conte it was all out caution. Under Ange it's all out attack and I think both are flawed. You need a balance. Under Poch we were expansive and had a real identity of free-flowing attacking football but we were solid when we needed to be.
I'm just growing really tired of how exposed our defence is game after game and that might seem a weird take given we've just won three on the bounce (as Chronic has alluded to) but to not see any attempt to shore things up was just plain bizarre, particularly when we went 2-0 up.
The other worry for me was that we didn't really have anyone who could have made us more solid. All of our midfield options are those adept at playing with the ball, rather than someone like PEH, who's skillset lies in providing protection without. I think we're very short in that area now. We really don't have the kind of players that know how to set up without the ball. Our squad is structured for one way of playing, which is concern if we lose a player against better opposition.
Weirdly, I used to quite like it when Ange did bring on PEH because it showed an element of pragmatism. An insistence that the result is more important than the performance in any one game. That option is now gone so I really don't know how we could dig in now anyway.
Like I say, weird thing to say after 3 wins but lets not kid ourselves. We could, and should have lost to Coventry and on another night could have been smashed by Qarabag.
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I can see the bigger picture,some of the issues we have, but I am not going to deal in what ifs. We beat Coventry. Yes we played crap with a lot of changes but did enough. We beat Qarabag because we went at them, with 10 men. Both games our quality told in the end.
We have to show this way can succeed and to do that we need to get some good result at places like United.
So far I feel that we haven't succeed because we haven't played well enough. In attack we had troubles turning possession into chances and defensively there have been individual errors. When it has clicked, mainly at home, we have been dominant winners.
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You say we haven’t succeeded because we haven’t played well enough, well, you could argue that the system is the reason why. Exposed defence, Son too isolated out wide, no defensive instinct in midfield to deal with issues off the ball, inverted full backs causing congestion in midfield areas stopping Maddison from finding the space he needs. I could think of a thousand reasons why the system might be contributing to that lack of success. Equally, as you say, they might not be implementing Ange’s game well enough, but that’s still on the manager, or those higher up for not finding the players suitable for that style.
I don’t think we get the result we want today. 3-1 United.
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
No Son today
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
Anyway, came on here to say no Sonny today. Hamstring issue. Unsure if it’ll impact more games.
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
Missed the exclusive by 4 seconds 😂
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
I’d like to see
Vicario
Porro Romero VDV Udogie
Bissouma
Bents Madders
Kulu Solanke Johnson
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
Son a big miss for you guys
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
How Manchester United line up this afternoon vs #thfc Onana,
Mazraoui, Martinez, De ligt, Dalot,
Ugarte, Mainoo
Bruno,
Garnacho, Zirkzee & Rashford
@utdscope
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
Old Trafford holds no fear for any teams in recent years we all know that but we will need to be on it today or we will come away with nothing. The high line needs to work for once along with press as they have the pace to take us apart regardless how good or bad we think they are.
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
Not too fussed about Sonny being out as he generally does not turn up for these games anyway.
posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago
I think they’ll win comfortably today because we play high line, high risk football and they’re the best in the league at counter attacking. Well control possession, they’ll have the key moments that matter.
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