NEXT YEAR IS LIVERPOOLS FOR WORLD DOMINATION.
No one has said that Viva Vela. Far from it.
Stick to the article please
Unfortunately you are not going to get a proper debate on here, it seems to be full of children with nothing better to do than slander the club for no other reason than they just don't like Liverpool.
Fair enough, I may not like Man Utd, but I don't go around like a petulant child on their board, disagreeing with everything and anything they say, whether fact or opinion, just because I'm a Liverpool fan.
Unfortunately the Liverpool board seems to attract a lot of idiot wums.
The only reason i write stuff that Liverpool fans disagree on, is becuase Liverpool fans are filled with so much delusion, That it's only right to reply to the delusion.
My reasons for a genuine top 4 challenge would be that we've addressed the two main issues that were halting us in the last two seasons - our off field soap opera has now come to an end and we now have good owners, a great manager, and a restructured club that is looking to build for the future, and also that our our squad depth is now much better, coupled with the fact that we now have one of the best youth academies around.
Now, I would like this to be a proper debate with as little wumming as possible please!
I don't rate your new signings, no other teams went in for them, so that just proves they're nothing special. Tell a lie, I think Downing's a good player, but 20 million was well over the odds, Adams is the only player Liverpool have bought this window, who was value for money, and he's only a Steady Eddie. Liverpool might get top 4, but only if Wenger refuses to buy big.
Way to go, Aquilonso!
YNWA
We are also one of the most commercial clubs in the World, that only Man U can compete with in the Premier, with a worldwide following, which now the debts are cleared (which Man U's haven't been), we see us become a very profitable club, especially when we are back in the Champions League and have the stadium issues sorted, which the new owners have come in to address, as they see it as a long term project.
I don't rate your new signings, no other teams went in for them, so that just proves they're nothing special.
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So basically we should only go for players that other teams are looking at? Right, that makes sense. Not. Have you considered the fact that different teams need different type of players?
Oh and by the way, United were interested in both Henderson and Adam, and Arsenal interested in Downing.
I just think there are five/six better teams in the Premier League, it's just an opinion.
I also don't think a lot of the money has been well spent (Suarez aside). I think you needed better players added to your existing squad to break into the top four. Big Andy will not score the amount of goals Liverpool are expecting and for what was paid for him you could have got an established international striker. I also think that Gerrard, who I think has been a fantastic player is on the slide. Thats not a criticism, I just think that age and all the injuries have caught up with him.
These are my unbiased opinions and if asked for my unbiased opinions on United I will gladly give them.
I don't rate your new signings, no other teams went in for them, so that just proves they're nothing special. Tell a lie, I think Downing's a good player, but 20 million was well over the odds, Adams is the only player Liverpool have bought this window, who was value for money, and he's only a Steady Eddie. Liverpool might get top 4, but only if Wenger refuses to buy big.
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In terms of the values of the players bought, I agree that players are overpriced right now. I actually think Chelsea started it off when buying Torres for 50m, and we didn't help ourselves paying 35m for Carroll, and since then clubs have held out for more, but at the moment it is an inflated market, and English players do hold a premium, and I also don't think Liverpool will continue to spend as big as they have this summer in the future, as we will bring more players through our youth system. The current spend is to get us back up to speed and where we need to be, ie. in the top 4, as then we can attract bigger names, and generate more money.
Asfor the players we've signed I think Henderson is one for the future and not for now, and was slightly overpriced, Adam for his price is a good buy, Suarez is a great buy, and Downing I actually think is worth the money, as he is completely underrated and is the 5th best chance creator in the league in the last 5 seasons, so is up there with Gerrard, Lampard, Fabregas and Giggs (all seen as World Class players). I think he may surprise people this year and be one of our top performers, and I'm sure Carroll is over the moon we've signed him.
Liverpool only have 1 or 2 world class players and most of their squad are average premiership performers, their new signings are not really much better and compared to the teams that finished above them last year their squad is weak.
Reina is world class and maybe Suarez (although it will be interesting to see how he does this season), Gerrard is no longer world class and is past his best. these 3 are stand out players but nobody else catches the eye unlike other teams.
Liverpool wont make top 4 with their current squad.
I also think that Gerrard, who I think has been a fantastic player is on the slide.
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Remains to be seen how Gerrard will be like this season. Obviously players hit a peak and then decline, but he himself says that after his op he feels in the best condition he has been in for years. If that is true and he can remain fit, then we all know how good he can be on his day.
I think the fact that we have got Aquilani and Meireles as well, will see Gerrard as someone who isn't relied on as much as he was in the past anyway. Providing we keep all three of them then we have got a really solid centre midfield.
"A lot of people on here our saying Liverpool have no chance at even the top 4 next season, but what un-biased reasons can you base that upon?"
- In 09/10, you finished 7th, meaning 6 teams in England were better than you.
- In 10/11, you finished 6th, meaning 5 teams in England were better than you.
- Most of the teams around you have or will strengthen. Both Manchester clubs have strengthened. Chelsea will definitely strengthen. Even Arsenal have strengthened.
Liverpool despite spending £100M have not really strengthened. Ok, in terms of squad depth you are stronger but not really an increase in quality, IMO.
- Your captain and best player is past it and is injury prone. Actually he isn't your best player anymore but the problem is that Liverpool will still build a system around him despite this.
- Your back line is injury prone and you have not purchased any defenders to strengthen it.
- There is massive pressure on your £35M signing to justify his pricetag and if his personal life is anything to go by he can't deal with pressure.
- The form you showed last season was overrated due to the feelgood factor around the club and lack of pressure on Dalgleish and the team to deliver. When there was something to play for the team however did not perform but these performances (vs Braga and Spurs) have been swept under the carpet.
- Arsenal have not sold Cesc & Nasri. This for me is your only possible way of finishing 4th, if we lose both these players. Otherwise you will be fighting Spurs for 5th spot.
These are just some of the reasons I feel you won't challenge.
Remember when we had Alonso, Gerrard, Reina and Masch,,,,we were a ONE man team; then they all left by 2 and suddenly they were world class!!! Always made me laugh that one!
Arsenal have not sold Cesc & Nasri. This for me is your only possible way of finishing 4th,
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I think the only way Arsenal will finish 4th is if they sort out that gaping hole that is your defence. Fabregas and Nasri may stay, they may not, but it doesn't take away the fact that Arsenal are a great team going forward but a very poor team in defence.
Sure Liverpool had their worst defensive record for years, but with Agger back and a manager who knows how to get good balance, unlike Dodgson who sat back and allowed teams to attack and score against us, then we'll be back to where we are used to. Remember Reina has won the golden glove 3 times out of 6 since he came to Liverpool, and another time tied with Van Der Sar.
Remember when we had Alonso, Gerrard, Reina and Masch,,,,we were a ONE man team; then they all left by 2 and suddenly they were world class!!! Always made me laugh that one!
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Haha yeah that is another one of these wums favourites. Meireles or Aquilani will be called World Class next if they leave.
Reina is world class and maybe Suarez (although it will be interesting to see how he does this season), Gerrard is no longer world class and is past his best. these 3 are stand out players but nobody else catches the eye unlike other teams.
Liverpool wont make top 4 with their current squad.
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Just like United should never have won the league and got to the Champions League final with their squad. But it happened, because they have got a great manager who can make the players feel 10 feet tall when they step out on the pitch. And we've got a manager who can do the same. So to dismiss us so easily to even make the top four as you have done is quite silly really.
"I think the only way Arsenal will finish 4th is if they sort out that gaping hole that is your defence. Fabregas and Nasri may stay, they may not, but it doesn't take away the fact that Arsenal are a great team going forward but a very poor team in defence."
See this is what I am talking about with you Liverpool fans. You think you are better than you are. Have you forgotten that you conceded more goals than us, not just in the league but every competition you participated in? You even conceded more Europa League goals than we did Champions League goals. You haven't strengthened your defence nor do you show any signs on doing so. The only player you seem to be linked with at the moment is Lee Cattermole (surprise surprise another talentless overrated Englishman).
Arsenal for large parts of last season were forced into playing Squillaci and Koscielny as their main partnership last season - both of them new to the PL. We played 5 different goalkeepers last season. 4 of our goalkeepers were out at different stages of the season with long term injuries. At one stage of the season 4 were out at the same time and we had to bring Lehmann out of retirement. Vermaelen played 4 league games in total last season - our best defender played only 4 times. And despite all this, we still conceded less goals than you. So why is it that Arsenal have a gaping hole in their defence whereas Liverpool have the best back 4 in the country? Oh yea, let me guess, you only let more goals in than us because one of the best defenders in England Daniel Agger is always injured? That's it isn't it?
We played 5 different goalkeepers last season.
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Who are all average in comparison to Reina.
Vermaelen played 4 league games in total last season - our best defender played only 4 times.
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Same could be said about Agger, who is better than Vermaelen, who Vermaelen is good he is not Agger. You also don't have another good CB next to him, like we do in Carragher. Please don't even start in thinking you have a better defence, its a wide known fact that Arsenals biggest problem is their defence, Wenger really needs to address it.
See this is what I am talking about with you Liverpool fans. You think you are better than you are. Have you forgotten that you conceded more goals than us, not just in the league but every competition you participated in? You even conceded more Europa League goals than we did Champions League goals. You haven't strengthened your defence nor do you show any signs on doing so. The only player you seem to be linked with at the moment is Lee Cattermole (surprise surprise another talentless overrated Englishman).
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It's no wonder people think you're so much of an idiot when you can't even get simple facts right. We conceded five Europa League goals, you conceded 11 Champions League goals. We also only conceded two goals in both the League Cup and FA Cup. Jeez.
In fact no, it was just one goal in the FA Cup!
Same could be said about Agger, who is better than Vermaelen, who Vermaelen is good he is not Agger. You also don't have another good CB next to him, like we do in Carragher. Please don't even start in thinking you have a better defence, its a wide known fact that Arsenals biggest problem is their defence, Wenger really needs to address it.
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I see you just conveniently avoided my posts
why do ulot bother with batmanu, let me lose on him.
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posted on 18/7/11
NEXT YEAR IS LIVERPOOLS FOR WORLD DOMINATION.
posted on 18/7/11
No one has said that Viva Vela. Far from it.
Stick to the article please
posted on 18/7/11
Unfortunately you are not going to get a proper debate on here, it seems to be full of children with nothing better to do than slander the club for no other reason than they just don't like Liverpool.
Fair enough, I may not like Man Utd, but I don't go around like a petulant child on their board, disagreeing with everything and anything they say, whether fact or opinion, just because I'm a Liverpool fan.
Unfortunately the Liverpool board seems to attract a lot of idiot wums.
posted on 18/7/11
The only reason i write stuff that Liverpool fans disagree on, is becuase Liverpool fans are filled with so much delusion, That it's only right to reply to the delusion.
posted on 18/7/11
My reasons for a genuine top 4 challenge would be that we've addressed the two main issues that were halting us in the last two seasons - our off field soap opera has now come to an end and we now have good owners, a great manager, and a restructured club that is looking to build for the future, and also that our our squad depth is now much better, coupled with the fact that we now have one of the best youth academies around.
posted on 18/7/11
Now, I would like this to be a proper debate with as little wumming as possible please!
I don't rate your new signings, no other teams went in for them, so that just proves they're nothing special. Tell a lie, I think Downing's a good player, but 20 million was well over the odds, Adams is the only player Liverpool have bought this window, who was value for money, and he's only a Steady Eddie. Liverpool might get top 4, but only if Wenger refuses to buy big.
posted on 18/7/11
Way to go, Aquilonso!
YNWA
posted on 18/7/11
We are also one of the most commercial clubs in the World, that only Man U can compete with in the Premier, with a worldwide following, which now the debts are cleared (which Man U's haven't been), we see us become a very profitable club, especially when we are back in the Champions League and have the stadium issues sorted, which the new owners have come in to address, as they see it as a long term project.
posted on 18/7/11
I don't rate your new signings, no other teams went in for them, so that just proves they're nothing special.
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So basically we should only go for players that other teams are looking at? Right, that makes sense. Not. Have you considered the fact that different teams need different type of players?
Oh and by the way, United were interested in both Henderson and Adam, and Arsenal interested in Downing.
posted on 18/7/11
I just think there are five/six better teams in the Premier League, it's just an opinion.
I also don't think a lot of the money has been well spent (Suarez aside). I think you needed better players added to your existing squad to break into the top four. Big Andy will not score the amount of goals Liverpool are expecting and for what was paid for him you could have got an established international striker. I also think that Gerrard, who I think has been a fantastic player is on the slide. Thats not a criticism, I just think that age and all the injuries have caught up with him.
These are my unbiased opinions and if asked for my unbiased opinions on United I will gladly give them.
posted on 18/7/11
I don't rate your new signings, no other teams went in for them, so that just proves they're nothing special. Tell a lie, I think Downing's a good player, but 20 million was well over the odds, Adams is the only player Liverpool have bought this window, who was value for money, and he's only a Steady Eddie. Liverpool might get top 4, but only if Wenger refuses to buy big.
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In terms of the values of the players bought, I agree that players are overpriced right now. I actually think Chelsea started it off when buying Torres for 50m, and we didn't help ourselves paying 35m for Carroll, and since then clubs have held out for more, but at the moment it is an inflated market, and English players do hold a premium, and I also don't think Liverpool will continue to spend as big as they have this summer in the future, as we will bring more players through our youth system. The current spend is to get us back up to speed and where we need to be, ie. in the top 4, as then we can attract bigger names, and generate more money.
Asfor the players we've signed I think Henderson is one for the future and not for now, and was slightly overpriced, Adam for his price is a good buy, Suarez is a great buy, and Downing I actually think is worth the money, as he is completely underrated and is the 5th best chance creator in the league in the last 5 seasons, so is up there with Gerrard, Lampard, Fabregas and Giggs (all seen as World Class players). I think he may surprise people this year and be one of our top performers, and I'm sure Carroll is over the moon we've signed him.
posted on 18/7/11
Liverpool only have 1 or 2 world class players and most of their squad are average premiership performers, their new signings are not really much better and compared to the teams that finished above them last year their squad is weak.
Reina is world class and maybe Suarez (although it will be interesting to see how he does this season), Gerrard is no longer world class and is past his best. these 3 are stand out players but nobody else catches the eye unlike other teams.
Liverpool wont make top 4 with their current squad.
posted on 18/7/11
I also think that Gerrard, who I think has been a fantastic player is on the slide.
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Remains to be seen how Gerrard will be like this season. Obviously players hit a peak and then decline, but he himself says that after his op he feels in the best condition he has been in for years. If that is true and he can remain fit, then we all know how good he can be on his day.
I think the fact that we have got Aquilani and Meireles as well, will see Gerrard as someone who isn't relied on as much as he was in the past anyway. Providing we keep all three of them then we have got a really solid centre midfield.
posted on 18/7/11
"A lot of people on here our saying Liverpool have no chance at even the top 4 next season, but what un-biased reasons can you base that upon?"
- In 09/10, you finished 7th, meaning 6 teams in England were better than you.
- In 10/11, you finished 6th, meaning 5 teams in England were better than you.
- Most of the teams around you have or will strengthen. Both Manchester clubs have strengthened. Chelsea will definitely strengthen. Even Arsenal have strengthened.
Liverpool despite spending £100M have not really strengthened. Ok, in terms of squad depth you are stronger but not really an increase in quality, IMO.
- Your captain and best player is past it and is injury prone. Actually he isn't your best player anymore but the problem is that Liverpool will still build a system around him despite this.
- Your back line is injury prone and you have not purchased any defenders to strengthen it.
- There is massive pressure on your £35M signing to justify his pricetag and if his personal life is anything to go by he can't deal with pressure.
- The form you showed last season was overrated due to the feelgood factor around the club and lack of pressure on Dalgleish and the team to deliver. When there was something to play for the team however did not perform but these performances (vs Braga and Spurs) have been swept under the carpet.
- Arsenal have not sold Cesc & Nasri. This for me is your only possible way of finishing 4th, if we lose both these players. Otherwise you will be fighting Spurs for 5th spot.
These are just some of the reasons I feel you won't challenge.
posted on 18/7/11
Remember when we had Alonso, Gerrard, Reina and Masch,,,,we were a ONE man team; then they all left by 2 and suddenly they were world class!!! Always made me laugh that one!
posted on 18/7/11
Arsenal have not sold Cesc & Nasri. This for me is your only possible way of finishing 4th,
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I think the only way Arsenal will finish 4th is if they sort out that gaping hole that is your defence. Fabregas and Nasri may stay, they may not, but it doesn't take away the fact that Arsenal are a great team going forward but a very poor team in defence.
Sure Liverpool had their worst defensive record for years, but with Agger back and a manager who knows how to get good balance, unlike Dodgson who sat back and allowed teams to attack and score against us, then we'll be back to where we are used to. Remember Reina has won the golden glove 3 times out of 6 since he came to Liverpool, and another time tied with Van Der Sar.
posted on 18/7/11
Remember when we had Alonso, Gerrard, Reina and Masch,,,,we were a ONE man team; then they all left by 2 and suddenly they were world class!!! Always made me laugh that one!
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Haha yeah that is another one of these wums favourites. Meireles or Aquilani will be called World Class next if they leave.
posted on 18/7/11
Reina is world class and maybe Suarez (although it will be interesting to see how he does this season), Gerrard is no longer world class and is past his best. these 3 are stand out players but nobody else catches the eye unlike other teams.
Liverpool wont make top 4 with their current squad.
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Just like United should never have won the league and got to the Champions League final with their squad. But it happened, because they have got a great manager who can make the players feel 10 feet tall when they step out on the pitch. And we've got a manager who can do the same. So to dismiss us so easily to even make the top four as you have done is quite silly really.
posted on 18/7/11
"I think the only way Arsenal will finish 4th is if they sort out that gaping hole that is your defence. Fabregas and Nasri may stay, they may not, but it doesn't take away the fact that Arsenal are a great team going forward but a very poor team in defence."
See this is what I am talking about with you Liverpool fans. You think you are better than you are. Have you forgotten that you conceded more goals than us, not just in the league but every competition you participated in? You even conceded more Europa League goals than we did Champions League goals. You haven't strengthened your defence nor do you show any signs on doing so. The only player you seem to be linked with at the moment is Lee Cattermole (surprise surprise another talentless overrated Englishman).
Arsenal for large parts of last season were forced into playing Squillaci and Koscielny as their main partnership last season - both of them new to the PL. We played 5 different goalkeepers last season. 4 of our goalkeepers were out at different stages of the season with long term injuries. At one stage of the season 4 were out at the same time and we had to bring Lehmann out of retirement. Vermaelen played 4 league games in total last season - our best defender played only 4 times. And despite all this, we still conceded less goals than you. So why is it that Arsenal have a gaping hole in their defence whereas Liverpool have the best back 4 in the country? Oh yea, let me guess, you only let more goals in than us because one of the best defenders in England Daniel Agger is always injured? That's it isn't it?
posted on 18/7/11
We played 5 different goalkeepers last season.
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Who are all average in comparison to Reina.
Vermaelen played 4 league games in total last season - our best defender played only 4 times.
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Same could be said about Agger, who is better than Vermaelen, who Vermaelen is good he is not Agger. You also don't have another good CB next to him, like we do in Carragher. Please don't even start in thinking you have a better defence, its a wide known fact that Arsenals biggest problem is their defence, Wenger really needs to address it.
posted on 18/7/11
See this is what I am talking about with you Liverpool fans. You think you are better than you are. Have you forgotten that you conceded more goals than us, not just in the league but every competition you participated in? You even conceded more Europa League goals than we did Champions League goals. You haven't strengthened your defence nor do you show any signs on doing so. The only player you seem to be linked with at the moment is Lee Cattermole (surprise surprise another talentless overrated Englishman).
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It's no wonder people think you're so much of an idiot when you can't even get simple facts right. We conceded five Europa League goals, you conceded 11 Champions League goals. We also only conceded two goals in both the League Cup and FA Cup. Jeez.
posted on 18/7/11
In fact no, it was just one goal in the FA Cup!
posted on 18/7/11
Same could be said about Agger, who is better than Vermaelen, who Vermaelen is good he is not Agger. You also don't have another good CB next to him, like we do in Carragher. Please don't even start in thinking you have a better defence, its a wide known fact that Arsenals biggest problem is their defence, Wenger really needs to address it.
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posted on 18/7/11
I see you just conveniently avoided my posts
posted on 18/7/11
why do ulot bother with batmanu, let me lose on him.
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