Pulis was being very clever in attempting to draw attention away from the thuggery of his defenders and his team's Rugby tactics. He knows Suarez is headline news.
yes 3 game ban. it then stops, suarez may be lucky to play 12 games if its brought in
Pulis is an idiot. If he wants retrospective action, lets take another look at the numerous assaults that his players commit week in, week out. They'd all be on a permanent ban. I notice he didn't draw any attention to Huths stamp? If the interviewer had any balls, he should if asked Pulis which he thinks is the worst offence.
Pulis should get his own house in order before talking about other teams players. Whitehead and Huth should have both seen red yesterday.
The problem lies with poor refereeing as usual. If they can get it right they need help from TV replays. The general standard of refereeing isn't good enough for a top flight league.
What's been confusing me is why no-one is up in arms about this happening the previous day? http://ballsdot.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/yayatoure1.gif
Pulis is right,the FA can retrospectively punish players for violent conduct during a game if the ref does not see it.So they should also have the powers to ban players for diving to gain advantage.They should also demote the ref in charge if they did not book the player he knew had dived.This would force refs into actually applying the law of the game correctly and punish the offender there and then
Diving for me needs to be taken out of our game, and Suarez yesterday was just pure stupid and I am suprised to why he keeps doing this.
I think a fine and a 2 match ban would get rid of this, but I do thing Rodgers needs to come down hard on Suarez as I think this is why he will never get decisions going his way.
Liverpool are playing good football at the moment but think you are missing a good striker letting Carol go and no one coming in for him was bad business
Pulis is right,the FA can retrospectively punish players for violent conduct during a game if the ref does not see it.So they should also have the powers to ban players for diving to gain advantage.They should also demote the ref in charge if they did not book the player he knew had dived.This would force refs into actually applying the law of the game correctly and punish the offender there and then
Does the same rule apply to refs for not giving blatant penalties all season?
comment by terminator1 (U1863)
Incompetent refs who frequently make mistakes for obvious dives,pemalties etc should be demoted,same for linesmen who make mistake after mistake on offsides and ball crossing line etc
You can't ban someone for a yellow card offence, surely? I remember it happening to a Lithuanian player after he dived against Scotland and I thought it was ridiculous. It would be okay in my book if diving was a red card offence, but it isn't. What if another player dived in the same match and got booked, would a diver who wasn't punished in-game deserve a much bigger punishment?
Tony Pulis is an odious twerp, it's hilarious that he pulled Suarez up on that whilst refusing to field questions about his own team's usual thuggery. Seeing Suarez dive was disappointing, but then again it's nothing short of soul-destroying watching Stoke systematically take out players of Suarez's ilk.
Let's not forget that Stoke base their game around set pieces and their players have no problem going down easily if they sense an opportunity to get the big lads forward for a free kick. Pulis is a dinosaur, and it's depressing that the media generally toe the line that "you have to admire how Stoke go about their business and get results with their approach".
Their approach is to systematically foul at every opportunity; it was immensely satisfying when we knocked them out of the Carling Cup and they'd a perfectly good goal disallowed. I found it delicious that their chalked-off goal was the only time in the match where they hadn't been hanging out of Reina and the centre-backs.
In my opinion, it wouldn't be overly harsh for Pulis and his squad to be fed to alligators, their approach is cynical in the extreme and is far worse than isolated instances of diving. It's getting to the stage where if Stoke are playing the likes of United or Everton, I'd want Stoke to lose.
Watching them kick their way through games is spirit-sapping to a level only matched by their indignation on the rare occasions that referees come remotely close to punishing them appropriately. For Pulis to be moaning about Suarez needing punishment whilst refusing to acknowledge the thuggery of the likes of Huth is staggering, really. It shows a traffic-stopping level of delusion, one-eyed bias, arrogance and a complete lack of self-awareness.
Pulis was being very clever in attempting to draw attention away from the thuggery of his defenders and his team's Rugby tactics. He knows Suarez is headline news.
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absolutely
The challenges from them yesterday were outrageous
One silly dive from Suarez and it's the talk of the town. A stamp on Suarez in a non issue because he is the only cheat in the league/world football. Had Suarez done the stamping I'm sure he will get a life time ban from the FA and will become public enemy number one; that is if he's not already public enemy number one. Every thing he does is put under the microscope and viewed with a skewed lens.
^ the stamp was out of order & Huth will probably get a well deserved retrospective ban for it. However, it doesn't excuse Suarez for his Tom Daley impersonation, the 2 issues are not connected.
the stamp was out of order & Huth will probably get a well deserved retrospective ban for it. However, it doesn't excuse Suarez for his Tom Daley impersonation, the 2 issues are not connected.
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You're missing the point
The post match chat and media talk is all Suarez
Huths was the red card offence not Suarez's
^ No it isn't, Huth will get a ban for what he did, no doubt, it's had plenty of air time. Suarez will get nothing for his party piece. I think you'll find that's the point & the debate raised by Pulis.
But diving is only a yellow card offence so retrospective bans would be ridiculous.
On another note, Pulis is a very clever manager. He has engineered in the media such pressure of referees to allow Stoke to play their way that if they don't then he will accuse the referees of favouring the big teams, not allowing his team to play etc. The irony of this is that Stoke are one of the worst teams for diving and playacting in the league. They also have pressuring referees down to a fine art. As soon as a perceived offence is committed against them they swarm the referee in a way Madrid or Barcelona would be proud of putting the referee under immense pressure to punish the opposition player. While it is horrible football, they are very clever about it.
If the Refs did their job properly then he wouldn't dive at all. But they don't, they consistently fail to award decisions, they fail to protect him from animals like Huth, I wonder if anyone at the game would like to report Huth for actual bodily harm, see if the police do anything about it?
Perhaps that's what luis needs to do to get Refs to pay attention? I wonder if he has bruises on his chest to prove that huth stamped on him, yet the referee did nothing.
Pulis is a thug and if he tells his players to go out and play that way then he should be arrested as well, for conspiracy to commit a crime.
^ so his dive was the refs fault? haha, I've heard it all now.
I agree about violence on the pitch though, I mean players who stamp, kick or bite should be driven out of the game, animals they are.
I was annoyed with Suarez yesterday, because by doing that, he justified this ridiculous witch-hunt against him, and justified the FA’s new rule (actually, about 6 months old, now) that defenders are allowed to foul Suarez.
Up until yesterday, I couldn’t remember any incidents where he’d gone down without contact (ie. what everybody else does)., and it was clear that he was being judged on the fact that his falls were sometimes theatrical. The fact that he also sometimes ignores rash challenges, and gets up to try and win the ball back...which he does quite often...was of course never mentioned.
Everton fans were keen to conclude that he “got Rodwell sent off”, but completely failed to notice Saha, in the same game, going down like he’d been shot to get Lucas booked, when the replays showed there was barely any contact, if any at all.
But yesterday he justfied it all. It looked to me like he slipped initially, but then tried to make it look like a foul, so by doing that he reinforced the FA’s rule that it’s OK to foul him. The fouls on him are getting worse and worse, because defenders are encouraged to do it, so I predict he’ll get injured soon, because they’ve now reached the point where he’s being stamped on.
But as for yesterday....yes, I’d be in favour of restrospective bans for that. Of course, Pulis won’t agree when Walters does it (as I’ve seen him do), and Spurs won’t agree when Bale does it (who as far as I can tell, would be banned for most of the season), and United won’t agree when it’s their players, but I personally would welcome it.
Interesting that the the referees are basically admitting they don’t judge fouls on whether it was a foul or not, but judge it instead on whatever reputation they’ve decided to give the player.
I’d always thought they were there to apply the laws of the game. So even if only for the reason that it will apply the law, in the absence of it being applied by referees,.....I’m in favour of restrospective bans for what Suarez did yesterday.
was he right in the dive was embarrassing? hell yes!
Big Nev, so you don't think that any of the decisions that suarez should've got but didn't, none of that influenced luis' thinking through the game?
You just think that all footballers are robots then? I mean come on, the refs job is to make sure that all 22 players play within the rules of the game and should apply those rules equally but they clearly don't if luis was on the pitch.
Big Nev
"^ No it isn't, Huth will get a ban for what he did, no doubt, it's had plenty of air time. Suarez will get nothing for his party piece. I think you'll find that's the point & the debate raised by Pulis."
Ian Dennis, from 5live, is saying 'Re:Tiote & Huth at least one of the match officials witnessed the incidents and, so The FA won't take retrospective action'.
Do you still think Suarez should be banned?
^ When did I say Suarez should be banned?
With regards to Huth, I can't believe the official is saying he saw that incident & didn't believe any action necessary. That's a terrible decision.
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posted on 8/10/12
Pulis was being very clever in attempting to draw attention away from the thuggery of his defenders and his team's Rugby tactics. He knows Suarez is headline news.
posted on 8/10/12
yes 3 game ban. it then stops, suarez may be lucky to play 12 games if its brought in
posted on 8/10/12
Pulis is an idiot. If he wants retrospective action, lets take another look at the numerous assaults that his players commit week in, week out. They'd all be on a permanent ban. I notice he didn't draw any attention to Huths stamp? If the interviewer had any balls, he should if asked Pulis which he thinks is the worst offence.
posted on 8/10/12
Pulis should get his own house in order before talking about other teams players. Whitehead and Huth should have both seen red yesterday.
posted on 8/10/12
The problem lies with poor refereeing as usual. If they can get it right they need help from TV replays. The general standard of refereeing isn't good enough for a top flight league.
posted on 8/10/12
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posted on 8/10/12
What's been confusing me is why no-one is up in arms about this happening the previous day? http://ballsdot.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/yayatoure1.gif
posted on 8/10/12
Pulis is right,the FA can retrospectively punish players for violent conduct during a game if the ref does not see it.So they should also have the powers to ban players for diving to gain advantage.They should also demote the ref in charge if they did not book the player he knew had dived.This would force refs into actually applying the law of the game correctly and punish the offender there and then
posted on 8/10/12
Diving for me needs to be taken out of our game, and Suarez yesterday was just pure stupid and I am suprised to why he keeps doing this.
I think a fine and a 2 match ban would get rid of this, but I do thing Rodgers needs to come down hard on Suarez as I think this is why he will never get decisions going his way.
Liverpool are playing good football at the moment but think you are missing a good striker letting Carol go and no one coming in for him was bad business
posted on 8/10/12
Pulis is right,the FA can retrospectively punish players for violent conduct during a game if the ref does not see it.So they should also have the powers to ban players for diving to gain advantage.They should also demote the ref in charge if they did not book the player he knew had dived.This would force refs into actually applying the law of the game correctly and punish the offender there and then
Does the same rule apply to refs for not giving blatant penalties all season?
posted on 8/10/12
comment by terminator1 (U1863)
Incompetent refs who frequently make mistakes for obvious dives,pemalties etc should be demoted,same for linesmen who make mistake after mistake on offsides and ball crossing line etc
posted on 8/10/12
You can't ban someone for a yellow card offence, surely? I remember it happening to a Lithuanian player after he dived against Scotland and I thought it was ridiculous. It would be okay in my book if diving was a red card offence, but it isn't. What if another player dived in the same match and got booked, would a diver who wasn't punished in-game deserve a much bigger punishment?
Tony Pulis is an odious twerp, it's hilarious that he pulled Suarez up on that whilst refusing to field questions about his own team's usual thuggery. Seeing Suarez dive was disappointing, but then again it's nothing short of soul-destroying watching Stoke systematically take out players of Suarez's ilk.
Let's not forget that Stoke base their game around set pieces and their players have no problem going down easily if they sense an opportunity to get the big lads forward for a free kick. Pulis is a dinosaur, and it's depressing that the media generally toe the line that "you have to admire how Stoke go about their business and get results with their approach".
Their approach is to systematically foul at every opportunity; it was immensely satisfying when we knocked them out of the Carling Cup and they'd a perfectly good goal disallowed. I found it delicious that their chalked-off goal was the only time in the match where they hadn't been hanging out of Reina and the centre-backs.
In my opinion, it wouldn't be overly harsh for Pulis and his squad to be fed to alligators, their approach is cynical in the extreme and is far worse than isolated instances of diving. It's getting to the stage where if Stoke are playing the likes of United or Everton, I'd want Stoke to lose.
Watching them kick their way through games is spirit-sapping to a level only matched by their indignation on the rare occasions that referees come remotely close to punishing them appropriately. For Pulis to be moaning about Suarez needing punishment whilst refusing to acknowledge the thuggery of the likes of Huth is staggering, really. It shows a traffic-stopping level of delusion, one-eyed bias, arrogance and a complete lack of self-awareness.
posted on 8/10/12
Pulis was being very clever in attempting to draw attention away from the thuggery of his defenders and his team's Rugby tactics. He knows Suarez is headline news.
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absolutely
The challenges from them yesterday were outrageous
posted on 8/10/12
One silly dive from Suarez and it's the talk of the town. A stamp on Suarez in a non issue because he is the only cheat in the league/world football. Had Suarez done the stamping I'm sure he will get a life time ban from the FA and will become public enemy number one; that is if he's not already public enemy number one. Every thing he does is put under the microscope and viewed with a skewed lens.
posted on 8/10/12
^ the stamp was out of order & Huth will probably get a well deserved retrospective ban for it. However, it doesn't excuse Suarez for his Tom Daley impersonation, the 2 issues are not connected.
posted on 8/10/12
the stamp was out of order & Huth will probably get a well deserved retrospective ban for it. However, it doesn't excuse Suarez for his Tom Daley impersonation, the 2 issues are not connected.
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You're missing the point
The post match chat and media talk is all Suarez
Huths was the red card offence not Suarez's
posted on 8/10/12
^ No it isn't, Huth will get a ban for what he did, no doubt, it's had plenty of air time. Suarez will get nothing for his party piece. I think you'll find that's the point & the debate raised by Pulis.
posted on 8/10/12
But diving is only a yellow card offence so retrospective bans would be ridiculous.
On another note, Pulis is a very clever manager. He has engineered in the media such pressure of referees to allow Stoke to play their way that if they don't then he will accuse the referees of favouring the big teams, not allowing his team to play etc. The irony of this is that Stoke are one of the worst teams for diving and playacting in the league. They also have pressuring referees down to a fine art. As soon as a perceived offence is committed against them they swarm the referee in a way Madrid or Barcelona would be proud of putting the referee under immense pressure to punish the opposition player. While it is horrible football, they are very clever about it.
posted on 8/10/12
If the Refs did their job properly then he wouldn't dive at all. But they don't, they consistently fail to award decisions, they fail to protect him from animals like Huth, I wonder if anyone at the game would like to report Huth for actual bodily harm, see if the police do anything about it?
Perhaps that's what luis needs to do to get Refs to pay attention? I wonder if he has bruises on his chest to prove that huth stamped on him, yet the referee did nothing.
Pulis is a thug and if he tells his players to go out and play that way then he should be arrested as well, for conspiracy to commit a crime.
posted on 8/10/12
^ so his dive was the refs fault? haha, I've heard it all now.
I agree about violence on the pitch though, I mean players who stamp, kick or bite should be driven out of the game, animals they are.
posted on 8/10/12
I was annoyed with Suarez yesterday, because by doing that, he justified this ridiculous witch-hunt against him, and justified the FA’s new rule (actually, about 6 months old, now) that defenders are allowed to foul Suarez.
Up until yesterday, I couldn’t remember any incidents where he’d gone down without contact (ie. what everybody else does)., and it was clear that he was being judged on the fact that his falls were sometimes theatrical. The fact that he also sometimes ignores rash challenges, and gets up to try and win the ball back...which he does quite often...was of course never mentioned.
Everton fans were keen to conclude that he “got Rodwell sent off”, but completely failed to notice Saha, in the same game, going down like he’d been shot to get Lucas booked, when the replays showed there was barely any contact, if any at all.
But yesterday he justfied it all. It looked to me like he slipped initially, but then tried to make it look like a foul, so by doing that he reinforced the FA’s rule that it’s OK to foul him. The fouls on him are getting worse and worse, because defenders are encouraged to do it, so I predict he’ll get injured soon, because they’ve now reached the point where he’s being stamped on.
But as for yesterday....yes, I’d be in favour of restrospective bans for that. Of course, Pulis won’t agree when Walters does it (as I’ve seen him do), and Spurs won’t agree when Bale does it (who as far as I can tell, would be banned for most of the season), and United won’t agree when it’s their players, but I personally would welcome it.
Interesting that the the referees are basically admitting they don’t judge fouls on whether it was a foul or not, but judge it instead on whatever reputation they’ve decided to give the player.
I’d always thought they were there to apply the laws of the game. So even if only for the reason that it will apply the law, in the absence of it being applied by referees,.....I’m in favour of restrospective bans for what Suarez did yesterday.
posted on 8/10/12
was he right in the dive was embarrassing? hell yes!
posted on 8/10/12
Big Nev, so you don't think that any of the decisions that suarez should've got but didn't, none of that influenced luis' thinking through the game?
You just think that all footballers are robots then? I mean come on, the refs job is to make sure that all 22 players play within the rules of the game and should apply those rules equally but they clearly don't if luis was on the pitch.
posted on 8/10/12
Big Nev
"^ No it isn't, Huth will get a ban for what he did, no doubt, it's had plenty of air time. Suarez will get nothing for his party piece. I think you'll find that's the point & the debate raised by Pulis."
Ian Dennis, from 5live, is saying 'Re:Tiote & Huth at least one of the match officials witnessed the incidents and, so The FA won't take retrospective action'.
Do you still think Suarez should be banned?
posted on 8/10/12
^ When did I say Suarez should be banned?
With regards to Huth, I can't believe the official is saying he saw that incident & didn't believe any action necessary. That's a terrible decision.
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