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Sticking with Levein is not an option. We are accelerating backwards under him.
We must change the manager to stop the slide install some belief and proper managerial tactics, management, confidence and system.
Under Levein all the above are very poor and can be improved with the right man.
I refuse to accept that changing the manager will not have an effect
The long term prospects are already being dealt with through revolution of grass roots football.
The short term future ie the current national team needs overhauled. That starts with the manager. Afterall it was he who said "judge me on results"
We will. You've failed. Now go with the little respect you have left instead of trying to cling on by your fingernails and dragging us even deeper into the abyss
I agree that Scotland fans SHOULD lower realistic expectations! However their should be a fight, a will to challenge, an attempt to take the game to the opposition! I also cannot believe how little was made of the "2nd" goal against Wales!
Why dont parents unite this xmas and the weans can have a mouldmaster and a pair of samba and lets get them out on the red blaize by 1030 Xmas morning!
Why dont parents unite this xmas and the weans can have a mouldmaster and a pair of samba and lets get them out on the red blaize by 1030 Xmas morning!
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That's it. Nothing like getting smacked on the legs wi a mitre mould master when it's -10c oot side
Or a sliding tackle on the red baize followed by a skin graft
There's a good reason why you're bottom, you're shít.
You should stick to lobbing large planks of timber across uneven fields and leave the football to the pros
He actually said 3rd was realistic not bottom.
He's also hardly going to come out and slate his colleague in the press.
He is absolutely right about the quality of players not being good enough to qualify.
Gary Caldwell and Scott Brown are first names on our team sheet. That says it all. Not a drop of technique between them. Morrison as well, decent in an average to poor west brom team under no real pressure to challenge in the league but is found out at international level. Charlie Adam, one of our better players was found out in one of Liverpool's worst teams in years.
Our players are not good enough. And suggesting getting rid of Wotte over some media comments is just daft. We finally have someone trying to implement a Continental approach to our youth setup and you want him out because he had words of encouragement for an under fire colleague.
You say we shouldn't be bottom of the group but the fact is all the other teams (Wales aside) are technically far superior sides. The can actually pass a ball and don't panic in possession.
Teams have us figured out, press us high up the park and our lack of ability forces us to give the ball away every time.
Levein should probably go but don't be surprised if the next manager has us in a similar position half way through the next campaign.
The fact is, until the kids coming through improve, which we can only trust will happen given the youth work Wotte and Levein have being doing we are highly unlikely to qualify. Expensive changes of manager will not make a great deal of difference in the long term.
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DB
I never said I wanted Wotte sacked. I'm pointing out he is performance director and should concentrate on that given recent performances.
I want Latrine out. He said "judge me on results". His words. We results are simply not good enough. Time for him to go
Esc
Where were you when I was arguing our corner on Wednesday night. I was saying that Strachan would be a mistake and we need to be looking at the likes of Redknapp, Advocaat, Hiddink, Klinsmann and Jol. I got loads of stick for it too. Leave me on my own would ya
AK Spot on bud
I was probably sleeping aff ma hangover from that pash on Tuesday.
Nae worries mate I didn't even know that you took a drink
Outspoken Wotte said: “There are many reasons for the decline of Scottish football.
“One of them is lifestyle issues. The kids should not be growing up with crisps, McDonalds and Coca-Cola.
“And when they are 16 they are going on the Buckfast and having a great night. I am not blind, I live close to Glasgow so I see this. There are too many drop-outs at 16 or 17 because they are on the Buckfast and see things they think are better than football. They turn around and say: ‘Byee, I’m off’. That’s not the way I want to see this generation.”
Wotte sifted through the wreckage of Scotland’s World Cup collapse and claimed there is no point in sacking beleaguered boss Levein
Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/feeds/smartphone/scotland/4597122/Whats-wrong-with-Scotland.html#ixzz29k3bFilq
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he makes a good point there,i remember barry douglas who plays for dundee utd from about 7 or 8 years ago,he's the same age and from the same part of pollok as me so i know him although not very well
i remember he would come up the woods when we were about 13,14,15 etc and we would all be drinking and taking buckets but he didn't touch anything because he was right int his football training and playing football at the weekends
point is he wasn't one of the best football players from around this area at our age but stayed away from the drugs and drink unlike almost everybody else
I was saying that Strachan would be a mistake and we need to be looking at the likes of Redknapp, Advocaat, Hiddink, Klinsmann and Jol.
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Agree with that
Don't think Strachan is a great choice. He did well at Celtic but he had resources there.
When he's had a backs to the wall job in England he has generally failed. Scotland is the ultmiate backs to the wall job in world football at the moment.
I think a decent foreign coach is the way to go. Can't see us paying the wages though. Hiddink and Advocaat, would they take it? They would pretty much be on a hiding to nothing and we probably couldn't afford what they would demand.
If we are just going to appoint another average Scottish manager then we may as well stick with Levein as they are unlikely to improve the situation. Our players are out of date, so are our tactics, fitness, attitude, the list goes on. I can't see any other Scottish coach making a difference.
I'm pointing out he is performance director and should concentrate on that given recent performances.
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Fair enough, but he was asked the question. He's hardly going to go publicly criticise Levein though is he.
I think it's safe to assume Levein will be sacked, Wotte adding to the vitriol is hardly going to make any odds either way.
Levein hasn't got the results, that's a fair judgement but there's no need in the personal abuse he seems to be getting.
He seems a decent enough guy trying to do a job to me. Personally I don't think any other Scottish manager who would take it (and not run at the first meaningful offer from elsewhere) will do any better. I think like said above, a foreigner, is the best option. Question is, can the SFA afford it?
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Bring back Craig Brown
In all seriousness I would go for WGS. Dull ( not as dull as Wattie ) but effective football is what we need at this time.
Or can we afford NOT to get somebody forward-thinking in? I can see attendances at Hampden starting to drop like a stone the way we're going, and that will hit the SFA hard financially.
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I'm about 80% sure they'll go for the quick fix as usual.
There is no point replacing like for like. Another run of the mill Scottish manager is not the answer. We need someone fresh, this will come at a cost though.
Dave
Exactly. We cannot afford to get the next appointment wrong. A top class coach is required to get us moving in the right direction. It requires a £1m+ salary per year then so be it. You speculate to accumulate. Afterall, everyteamtnatqualifies for Brazil 2014 will receive £10m from FIFA. That alone pays the managers wages
Worse than Levin would you believe.
The period covered the aftermath of the 1982 World Cup Finals in Spain, when Scotland approached their next target and flopped miserably in their bid to reach the finals of the 1984 European Championships.
That campaign in a four-team-six-match section kicked off with a 2-0 win over East Germany which was followed by a failure to win any of the five remaining matches.
The Scots lost 2-0 in Switzerland and 3-2 in Belgium, before drawing 2-2 with Switzerland at Hampden and 1-1 with Belgium at Hampden, followed by a 2-1 defeat away to East Germany.
The run of failure upon failure encompassed seasons 1982-83 and 83-84 and included the old Home Internationals in the spring of 1983 when the Scots lost 2-0 to England, drew 0-0 with Northern Ireland, but at least managed to beat Wales 2-0.
And the manager during this period when Scotland were on the road to oblivion?
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posted on 19/10/12
Sticking with Levein is not an option. We are accelerating backwards under him.
We must change the manager to stop the slide install some belief and proper managerial tactics, management, confidence and system.
Under Levein all the above are very poor and can be improved with the right man.
I refuse to accept that changing the manager will not have an effect
The long term prospects are already being dealt with through revolution of grass roots football.
The short term future ie the current national team needs overhauled. That starts with the manager. Afterall it was he who said "judge me on results"
We will. You've failed. Now go with the little respect you have left instead of trying to cling on by your fingernails and dragging us even deeper into the abyss
posted on 19/10/12
I agree that Scotland fans SHOULD lower realistic expectations! However their should be a fight, a will to challenge, an attempt to take the game to the opposition! I also cannot believe how little was made of the "2nd" goal against Wales!
Why dont parents unite this xmas and the weans can have a mouldmaster and a pair of samba and lets get them out on the red blaize by 1030 Xmas morning!
posted on 19/10/12
Why dont parents unite this xmas and the weans can have a mouldmaster and a pair of samba and lets get them out on the red blaize by 1030 Xmas morning!
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That's it. Nothing like getting smacked on the legs wi a mitre mould master when it's -10c oot side
Or a sliding tackle on the red baize followed by a skin graft
posted on 19/10/12
There's a good reason why you're bottom, you're shít.
You should stick to lobbing large planks of timber across uneven fields and leave the football to the pros
posted on 19/10/12
Who is this mangina???
posted on 19/10/12
He actually said 3rd was realistic not bottom.
He's also hardly going to come out and slate his colleague in the press.
He is absolutely right about the quality of players not being good enough to qualify.
Gary Caldwell and Scott Brown are first names on our team sheet. That says it all. Not a drop of technique between them. Morrison as well, decent in an average to poor west brom team under no real pressure to challenge in the league but is found out at international level. Charlie Adam, one of our better players was found out in one of Liverpool's worst teams in years.
Our players are not good enough. And suggesting getting rid of Wotte over some media comments is just daft. We finally have someone trying to implement a Continental approach to our youth setup and you want him out because he had words of encouragement for an under fire colleague.
You say we shouldn't be bottom of the group but the fact is all the other teams (Wales aside) are technically far superior sides. The can actually pass a ball and don't panic in possession.
Teams have us figured out, press us high up the park and our lack of ability forces us to give the ball away every time.
Levein should probably go but don't be surprised if the next manager has us in a similar position half way through the next campaign.
The fact is, until the kids coming through improve, which we can only trust will happen given the youth work Wotte and Levein have being doing we are highly unlikely to qualify. Expensive changes of manager will not make a great deal of difference in the long term.
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DB
I never said I wanted Wotte sacked. I'm pointing out he is performance director and should concentrate on that given recent performances.
I want Latrine out. He said "judge me on results". His words. We results are simply not good enough. Time for him to go
posted on 19/10/12
Esc
Where were you when I was arguing our corner on Wednesday night. I was saying that Strachan would be a mistake and we need to be looking at the likes of Redknapp, Advocaat, Hiddink, Klinsmann and Jol. I got loads of stick for it too. Leave me on my own would ya
posted on 19/10/12
AK Spot on bud
I was probably sleeping aff ma hangover from that pash on Tuesday.
posted on 19/10/12
Nae worries mate I didn't even know that you took a drink
posted on 19/10/12
Outspoken Wotte said: “There are many reasons for the decline of Scottish football.
“One of them is lifestyle issues. The kids should not be growing up with crisps, McDonalds and Coca-Cola.
“And when they are 16 they are going on the Buckfast and having a great night. I am not blind, I live close to Glasgow so I see this. There are too many drop-outs at 16 or 17 because they are on the Buckfast and see things they think are better than football. They turn around and say: ‘Byee, I’m off’. That’s not the way I want to see this generation.”
Wotte sifted through the wreckage of Scotland’s World Cup collapse and claimed there is no point in sacking beleaguered boss Levein
Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/feeds/smartphone/scotland/4597122/Whats-wrong-with-Scotland.html#ixzz29k3bFilq
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he makes a good point there,i remember barry douglas who plays for dundee utd from about 7 or 8 years ago,he's the same age and from the same part of pollok as me so i know him although not very well
i remember he would come up the woods when we were about 13,14,15 etc and we would all be drinking and taking buckets but he didn't touch anything because he was right int his football training and playing football at the weekends
point is he wasn't one of the best football players from around this area at our age but stayed away from the drugs and drink unlike almost everybody else
posted on 19/10/12
I was saying that Strachan would be a mistake and we need to be looking at the likes of Redknapp, Advocaat, Hiddink, Klinsmann and Jol.
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Agree with that
Don't think Strachan is a great choice. He did well at Celtic but he had resources there.
When he's had a backs to the wall job in England he has generally failed. Scotland is the ultmiate backs to the wall job in world football at the moment.
I think a decent foreign coach is the way to go. Can't see us paying the wages though. Hiddink and Advocaat, would they take it? They would pretty much be on a hiding to nothing and we probably couldn't afford what they would demand.
If we are just going to appoint another average Scottish manager then we may as well stick with Levein as they are unlikely to improve the situation. Our players are out of date, so are our tactics, fitness, attitude, the list goes on. I can't see any other Scottish coach making a difference.
posted on 19/10/12
I'm pointing out he is performance director and should concentrate on that given recent performances.
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Fair enough, but he was asked the question. He's hardly going to go publicly criticise Levein though is he.
I think it's safe to assume Levein will be sacked, Wotte adding to the vitriol is hardly going to make any odds either way.
Levein hasn't got the results, that's a fair judgement but there's no need in the personal abuse he seems to be getting.
He seems a decent enough guy trying to do a job to me. Personally I don't think any other Scottish manager who would take it (and not run at the first meaningful offer from elsewhere) will do any better. I think like said above, a foreigner, is the best option. Question is, can the SFA afford it?
posted on 19/10/12
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posted on 19/10/12
Bring back Craig Brown
In all seriousness I would go for WGS. Dull ( not as dull as Wattie ) but effective football is what we need at this time.
posted on 19/10/12
Or can we afford NOT to get somebody forward-thinking in? I can see attendances at Hampden starting to drop like a stone the way we're going, and that will hit the SFA hard financially.
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I'm about 80% sure they'll go for the quick fix as usual.
There is no point replacing like for like. Another run of the mill Scottish manager is not the answer. We need someone fresh, this will come at a cost though.
posted on 19/10/12
Dave
Exactly. We cannot afford to get the next appointment wrong. A top class coach is required to get us moving in the right direction. It requires a £1m+ salary per year then so be it. You speculate to accumulate. Afterall, everyteamtnatqualifies for Brazil 2014 will receive £10m from FIFA. That alone pays the managers wages
posted on 19/10/12
Worse than Levin would you believe.
The period covered the aftermath of the 1982 World Cup Finals in Spain, when Scotland approached their next target and flopped miserably in their bid to reach the finals of the 1984 European Championships.
That campaign in a four-team-six-match section kicked off with a 2-0 win over East Germany which was followed by a failure to win any of the five remaining matches.
The Scots lost 2-0 in Switzerland and 3-2 in Belgium, before drawing 2-2 with Switzerland at Hampden and 1-1 with Belgium at Hampden, followed by a 2-1 defeat away to East Germany.
The run of failure upon failure encompassed seasons 1982-83 and 83-84 and included the old Home Internationals in the spring of 1983 when the Scots lost 2-0 to England, drew 0-0 with Northern Ireland, but at least managed to beat Wales 2-0.
And the manager during this period when Scotland were on the road to oblivion?
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