Brummie...............good article
I always sat at games because I never felt safe standing back in the 70s and 80s. However, there is no doubt that standing improves the atmosphere at a ground.
One would think that in this day and age we can design a safe standing area and as you say manage and control numbers to ensure that it is a safe way to watch football.
So if it can be done safely, then yes I am for it, although I will still sit.
The problem though is that clubs like Chelsea will be agst it because offering cheaper match day tickets will reduce revenue. We could only do it if we increase capacity or move to a new stadium.
Biggish, without seating the the capacity in the designated areas would increase naturally, so I don't really see that as a problem!
As long as it is safe. If there was a large platform to stand on, with a decent barrier between each row to stop pushing etc. then I'd love it to come back. Sitting down at the game kills the atmosphere.
Kayalteral, agreed - I can't think of a single ground that I've been to where the atmoshere hasn't drastically been reduced since all seating was introduced. The standing areas was traditionally where the atmoshere was generated.
Brummie, if we want to improve the atmosphere at SB then all we need to do is convert the East Stand in to all standing
I wouldn't fancy falling off the top tier though Biggish!
Under new saftey rules we get issued a parachute in club colours
the new safe standing seats are actually safer than the current seating, because fans stand up anyway. If you have a seating section which offers the option to stand without causing shin splints from the seat in front or having the risk of falling into the next row surely the clubs should take it
Standing areas were great . Authorities here will never let it happen though. Worst thing about seats is not being able to sit with your mates.
I am not old enough to remember but one thing I can say is that having been to quite a few matches with some amazing games, the most fun I have ever had came when we played Copenhagen at Stamford Bridge. The game itself was a boring 0-0 but I was sat or should I say stood in the shed behind the goal right next to the away fans. Basically had to stand all match and the atmosphere was amazing, would definitely like to do something similar again.
Was that the FC Copenhagen game 2/3 years ago? I was in the MHU for that and the Danes stood for the whole 90 minutes and the atmosphere they generated was fantastic even from where I was!
I used to love standing at Football. The crowd surges were exciting also and for that reason and the worry about another Hillsbrough type scenario, where it would (in theory at least), be possible to have too many crammed into a confined space the establishment would never allow it to brought back. In short, I think they like the fact that they have now sterilised the experience at a Football match and to some degree neutralised the hostile arenas, almost akin to like going to the theatre for example, that anything that may return us to the old wild west days would be poo-pooed IMO.
Thats another argument I've heard talked about 69.
But in The Shed, fans are lined up next to each other with just a line of stewards inbetween and there's never any fixed bayonnet charges!
Only when West Ham, Millwall or Arsenal (early '70's only) used to come in. There were loads of fixed bayonet charges then.
Yeh it was Brummie, it was literally the Copenhagen fans, a line of Stewards and then me they were brilliant.
Only ever remember WH and Millwall coming in 69!
Well it seems 100% for standing so far!
Brummie - I meant standing in the seat
So you were that annoying tw@rt in the seat in front of me the other week
We were all standing there Brummie
I was close to the corner flag, standing and hugging strange people whenever Chelsea scored
Brummie, sorry mate been out all day.
West Ham used to come in regularly from the sixties through to the 80's. The most embarrassing taking of the Shed that I ever witnessed was Boxing Day 1977, where if memory serves they took it, then were being taken out by the OB and when Chelsea started taunting them they turned back and took it again.
Millwall came in in February 1977. They had a massive row but didn't take it IMO, in spite of what they claim.
Arsenal were harder than Chelsea in the late sixties and early seventies and used to take the Shed on a few occasions up to the famous yellow paint incident and one game in about 1974 when Chelsea surrounded them for the whole game with just a thin blue line protecting them. They never came in after that and then it went full circle with Chelsea starting to take the North Bank in the late Seventies.
I was in the Chelsea drugstore that Millwall match - didn't expect it to be full of donkey jacket clad Millwall fans that day - missed getting front of the stage
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posted on 27/10/12
Brummie...............good article
I always sat at games because I never felt safe standing back in the 70s and 80s. However, there is no doubt that standing improves the atmosphere at a ground.
One would think that in this day and age we can design a safe standing area and as you say manage and control numbers to ensure that it is a safe way to watch football.
So if it can be done safely, then yes I am for it, although I will still sit.
posted on 27/10/12
The problem though is that clubs like Chelsea will be agst it because offering cheaper match day tickets will reduce revenue. We could only do it if we increase capacity or move to a new stadium.
posted on 27/10/12
Biggish, without seating the the capacity in the designated areas would increase naturally, so I don't really see that as a problem!
posted on 27/10/12
As long as it is safe. If there was a large platform to stand on, with a decent barrier between each row to stop pushing etc. then I'd love it to come back. Sitting down at the game kills the atmosphere.
posted on 27/10/12
Kayalteral, agreed - I can't think of a single ground that I've been to where the atmoshere hasn't drastically been reduced since all seating was introduced. The standing areas was traditionally where the atmoshere was generated.
posted on 27/10/12
Brummie, if we want to improve the atmosphere at SB then all we need to do is convert the East Stand in to all standing
posted on 27/10/12
I wouldn't fancy falling off the top tier though Biggish!
posted on 27/10/12
Under new saftey rules we get issued a parachute in club colours
posted on 27/10/12
the new safe standing seats are actually safer than the current seating, because fans stand up anyway. If you have a seating section which offers the option to stand without causing shin splints from the seat in front or having the risk of falling into the next row surely the clubs should take it
posted on 27/10/12
Standing areas were great . Authorities here will never let it happen though. Worst thing about seats is not being able to sit with your mates.
posted on 27/10/12
I am not old enough to remember but one thing I can say is that having been to quite a few matches with some amazing games, the most fun I have ever had came when we played Copenhagen at Stamford Bridge. The game itself was a boring 0-0 but I was sat or should I say stood in the shed behind the goal right next to the away fans. Basically had to stand all match and the atmosphere was amazing, would definitely like to do something similar again.
posted on 27/10/12
Was that the FC Copenhagen game 2/3 years ago? I was in the MHU for that and the Danes stood for the whole 90 minutes and the atmosphere they generated was fantastic even from where I was!
posted on 27/10/12
I used to love standing at Football. The crowd surges were exciting also and for that reason and the worry about another Hillsbrough type scenario, where it would (in theory at least), be possible to have too many crammed into a confined space the establishment would never allow it to brought back. In short, I think they like the fact that they have now sterilised the experience at a Football match and to some degree neutralised the hostile arenas, almost akin to like going to the theatre for example, that anything that may return us to the old wild west days would be poo-pooed IMO.
posted on 27/10/12
Thats another argument I've heard talked about 69.
But in The Shed, fans are lined up next to each other with just a line of stewards inbetween and there's never any fixed bayonnet charges!
posted on 27/10/12
Only when West Ham, Millwall or Arsenal (early '70's only) used to come in. There were loads of fixed bayonet charges then.
posted on 27/10/12
Yeh it was Brummie, it was literally the Copenhagen fans, a line of Stewards and then me they were brilliant.
posted on 27/10/12
Only ever remember WH and Millwall coming in 69!
posted on 27/10/12
standing
posted on 27/10/12
Well it seems 100% for standing so far!
posted on 27/10/12
Brummie - I meant standing in the seat
posted on 27/10/12
So you were that annoying tw@rt in the seat in front of me the other week
posted on 27/10/12
We were all standing there Brummie
posted on 27/10/12
I was close to the corner flag, standing and hugging strange people whenever Chelsea scored
posted on 27/10/12
Brummie, sorry mate been out all day.
West Ham used to come in regularly from the sixties through to the 80's. The most embarrassing taking of the Shed that I ever witnessed was Boxing Day 1977, where if memory serves they took it, then were being taken out by the OB and when Chelsea started taunting them they turned back and took it again.
Millwall came in in February 1977. They had a massive row but didn't take it IMO, in spite of what they claim.
Arsenal were harder than Chelsea in the late sixties and early seventies and used to take the Shed on a few occasions up to the famous yellow paint incident and one game in about 1974 when Chelsea surrounded them for the whole game with just a thin blue line protecting them. They never came in after that and then it went full circle with Chelsea starting to take the North Bank in the late Seventies.
posted on 27/10/12
I was in the Chelsea drugstore that Millwall match - didn't expect it to be full of donkey jacket clad Millwall fans that day - missed getting front of the stage
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