Decent player but not Liverpool standard.
Great to see that Bolton fans like him.
He's not so young anymore and would be way down the pecking order if he returns.
Any chance of Dougie Freedman will try to buy him?
Great heart on the kid but lacks ability, would be happy if you signed him on a perm. He deserves to be playing all the time as you can see he loves it but he is not going to get a sniff here, think he is 23/24 next bday, we have Allen, Hendo, Shelvey who are all younger or about that age plus Lucas, Gerrard and (hopefully) Sahin. We also have a few youngster who I think are better than him.
He is a low to mid prem player.
im glad jays doing decent at bolton....
he gets found out by teams like united arsenal etc .....
Good little player with an excellent mentality. Playing through the youth teams and reserves, whom he most often captained, he always stood out above them. However i think the Liverpool first team is a step too far from him but he'd certainly be a good Premier League player. If Bolton manage to keep him, it'll be a great signing.
I imagine DF will have a role for him, behind holden he is the best central mid player we have right now. Whether we will make a bid for him or not is another matter, depends if dougie likes him and he continues to impress....oh and how much Liverpool want for him.
IF we did come up which is a long way off right now then I agree with TOOR, he would be a great permenant addition.
I dont rate young Jay one bit and i was working in Bolton last week and speaking to Bolton fans they dont either.
I am surprised by this thread, his attitude/commitment is 1st class but shouldn't this be the case with anyone playing professional football.
Would be an excellent player at any team mid table and lower (no jokes please)
^
It should be yes, but it isn't.
I think £4m max is what we would get
£4m sounds about right to me. Although we never do get good value, so I'd say we'd get £3m.
I have no problem with people who rate Jay as we all see different things in different players...my problem is that even Jays supporters acknowledge he isn't a great player yet they seem to think that trying hard is an acceptable substitute for having no ability, eg, Flanna, Carra, Spearing
i would be amazed if we got over 1 million for him
The Verbal Jouster (U11370)
Sssssh, I wrote an article on here about how Jay wasn't good enough for Liverpool and told I wasn't a fan and a wum.
We have someone interested in him, talk him up and they will buy.
Remember when he destroyed Real Madrid in that 15minute cameo?
I acknowledge Spearing is a good player, just not good enough for Liverpool and he has no chance of getting in before Allen, Lucas, Gerrard, Sahin or Shelvey.
Some players play with their heart more than others and it's just as much an attribute as having pace or any other is. Kuyt's heart made up many a time for a bad first touch. Spearing has his attributes, other have theirs. Spearing's best attributes are his heart - his determination and willingness to fight for his club, his passing and his tackling. Whereas you could have a player who is good at passing, tackling, shooting and is pacey yet he isn't good enough, why? because he doesn't have the heart, the determination, the willingness to fight. Think Benayoun for an example.
Carragher has been a Liverpool legend and one of the best defenders to wear the red shirt and has many medals to prove it and quite frankly your no ability comment is a disgrace.
Cobnob....thats why you very rarely see me commenting on anything anymore.
I will give anyone a chance and will always admitt to being wrong if i am
I wasn't best pleased that BR got the managers job to say the least yet....i think the man is a class act , i cant put into words how pleases i am with the way he has us playing, with his conduct during interviews etc..pure class
whilst we are not winning all the time - i would usually moan but i can see what BR is trying to do, the young lads he has brought through are certainly players who look very promising indeed
however - Spearing , Flanno, Carra will IMO never be good footballers
Quite frankly TOOR, my comment about Carra is my opinion , reds whom i worked with, drank with, went the match with use to comment on how poor Carra was,,,
The manager / press / fans asked for people to stop booing him but people went OTT by making him a idol for doing nothing. during this time he was clocking up more woeful performances but as players get more appearences fans say he cant be that bad as he has played for us x amount of times.....when every year for the first 4-5 years reds would say he will be moved on as he isn't good enough....he then hit 200/ 300 odd appearences and people wanted to give him a knigthood
I am sure Carra will be gutted to hear that The Verbal Jouster doesn't rate him or his career.
I mean all them caps, medals, appearances, plaudits from many different managers, now worthless because the Jouster has spoken.
If only Carra had been as good as Traore or Kvarme.
Poor Carra.
comment by The Verbal Jouster (U11370)
posted 15 minutes ago
Quite frankly TOOR, my comment about Carra is my opinion , reds whom i worked with, drank with, went the match with use to comment on how poor Carra was,,,
The manager / press / fans asked for people to stop booing him but people went OTT by making him a idol for doing nothing. during this time he was clocking up more woeful performances but as players get more appearences fans say he cant be that bad as he has played for us x amount of times.....when every year for the first 4-5 years reds would say he will be moved on as he isn't good enough....he then hit 200/ 300 odd appearences and people wanted to give him a knigthood
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You have never ever understood young players and how it takes time for them to reach their potential. Carragher was booed when he was a young player by a minority of idiots who also have a problem in understanding potential and backing young players, thus giving them confidence.
Since then Carragher went on to become one of the best defenders to ever wear a Liverpool shirt. if you can't see that, that's your problem and a few of your drunk mates who you played football with who like to boo young players are welcome to your crap.
I have never booed a Liverpool player ever
please show me where i have said this..leave the facts to me
You're not good with facts.
Try these one's:-
Team
FA Cup (2): 2000–01, 2005–06
League Cup (3): 2000–01, 2002–03, 2011–12
FA Community Shield (2): 2001, 2006
UEFA Champions League (1): 2004–05
UEFA Cup (1): 2000–01
UEFA Super Cup (2): 2001, 2005
Individual
PFA Team of the Year (1): 2006
Liverpool Player of the Year Award (1): 2007
That's eleven team honours and two individual honours, one given by fellow professionals and one given by Liverpool fans.
There's your facts.
There is players in every team / squad with a haul of medals but they have never been the reason why that team has won that trophy....look at our 2005 CL winning team, whilst Alonso, Gerrard, Hyypia, Hamman and a few other were fantastic, some of the players that picked up a CL winners medal was just wrong. This happens all the time, pegge arpexhead probably has a about 10 from his time with us....i'll say no more
Carragher was outstanding that year we won the Champions League. In fact if it weren't for Gerrard he'd have a mountain of Liverpool Player of the Year awards.
Part of the defence which conceded only six goals in twelve games leading up to the final against some of the best teams and players in the world.
There's some more facts for you.
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posted on 30/10/12
You can have flanagan
posted on 30/10/12
Decent player but not Liverpool standard.
Great to see that Bolton fans like him.
He's not so young anymore and would be way down the pecking order if he returns.
Any chance of Dougie Freedman will try to buy him?
posted on 30/10/12
Great heart on the kid but lacks ability, would be happy if you signed him on a perm. He deserves to be playing all the time as you can see he loves it but he is not going to get a sniff here, think he is 23/24 next bday, we have Allen, Hendo, Shelvey who are all younger or about that age plus Lucas, Gerrard and (hopefully) Sahin. We also have a few youngster who I think are better than him.
He is a low to mid prem player.
posted on 30/10/12
im glad jays doing decent at bolton....
he gets found out by teams like united arsenal etc .....
posted on 30/10/12
Good little player with an excellent mentality. Playing through the youth teams and reserves, whom he most often captained, he always stood out above them. However i think the Liverpool first team is a step too far from him but he'd certainly be a good Premier League player. If Bolton manage to keep him, it'll be a great signing.
posted on 30/10/12
I imagine DF will have a role for him, behind holden he is the best central mid player we have right now. Whether we will make a bid for him or not is another matter, depends if dougie likes him and he continues to impress....oh and how much Liverpool want for him.
IF we did come up which is a long way off right now then I agree with TOOR, he would be a great permenant addition.
posted on 30/10/12
I dont rate young Jay one bit and i was working in Bolton last week and speaking to Bolton fans they dont either.
I am surprised by this thread, his attitude/commitment is 1st class but shouldn't this be the case with anyone playing professional football.
posted on 30/10/12
Would be an excellent player at any team mid table and lower (no jokes please)
posted on 30/10/12
^
It should be yes, but it isn't.
I think £4m max is what we would get
posted on 30/10/12
£4m sounds about right to me. Although we never do get good value, so I'd say we'd get £3m.
posted on 30/10/12
I have no problem with people who rate Jay as we all see different things in different players...my problem is that even Jays supporters acknowledge he isn't a great player yet they seem to think that trying hard is an acceptable substitute for having no ability, eg, Flanna, Carra, Spearing
posted on 30/10/12
i would be amazed if we got over 1 million for him
posted on 30/10/12
The Verbal Jouster (U11370)
Sssssh, I wrote an article on here about how Jay wasn't good enough for Liverpool and told I wasn't a fan and a wum.
We have someone interested in him, talk him up and they will buy.
Remember when he destroyed Real Madrid in that 15minute cameo?
posted on 30/10/12
I acknowledge Spearing is a good player, just not good enough for Liverpool and he has no chance of getting in before Allen, Lucas, Gerrard, Sahin or Shelvey.
Some players play with their heart more than others and it's just as much an attribute as having pace or any other is. Kuyt's heart made up many a time for a bad first touch. Spearing has his attributes, other have theirs. Spearing's best attributes are his heart - his determination and willingness to fight for his club, his passing and his tackling. Whereas you could have a player who is good at passing, tackling, shooting and is pacey yet he isn't good enough, why? because he doesn't have the heart, the determination, the willingness to fight. Think Benayoun for an example.
Carragher has been a Liverpool legend and one of the best defenders to wear the red shirt and has many medals to prove it and quite frankly your no ability comment is a disgrace.
posted on 30/10/12
Cobnob....thats why you very rarely see me commenting on anything anymore.
I will give anyone a chance and will always admitt to being wrong if i am
I wasn't best pleased that BR got the managers job to say the least yet....i think the man is a class act , i cant put into words how pleases i am with the way he has us playing, with his conduct during interviews etc..pure class
whilst we are not winning all the time - i would usually moan but i can see what BR is trying to do, the young lads he has brought through are certainly players who look very promising indeed
however - Spearing , Flanno, Carra will IMO never be good footballers
posted on 30/10/12
Quite frankly TOOR, my comment about Carra is my opinion , reds whom i worked with, drank with, went the match with use to comment on how poor Carra was,,,
The manager / press / fans asked for people to stop booing him but people went OTT by making him a idol for doing nothing. during this time he was clocking up more woeful performances but as players get more appearences fans say he cant be that bad as he has played for us x amount of times.....when every year for the first 4-5 years reds would say he will be moved on as he isn't good enough....he then hit 200/ 300 odd appearences and people wanted to give him a knigthood
posted on 30/10/12
I am sure Carra will be gutted to hear that The Verbal Jouster doesn't rate him or his career.
I mean all them caps, medals, appearances, plaudits from many different managers, now worthless because the Jouster has spoken.
If only Carra had been as good as Traore or Kvarme.
Poor Carra.
posted on 30/10/12
comment by The Verbal Jouster (U11370)
posted 15 minutes ago
Quite frankly TOOR, my comment about Carra is my opinion , reds whom i worked with, drank with, went the match with use to comment on how poor Carra was,,,
The manager / press / fans asked for people to stop booing him but people went OTT by making him a idol for doing nothing. during this time he was clocking up more woeful performances but as players get more appearences fans say he cant be that bad as he has played for us x amount of times.....when every year for the first 4-5 years reds would say he will be moved on as he isn't good enough....he then hit 200/ 300 odd appearences and people wanted to give him a knigthood
----------------------------
You have never ever understood young players and how it takes time for them to reach their potential. Carragher was booed when he was a young player by a minority of idiots who also have a problem in understanding potential and backing young players, thus giving them confidence.
Since then Carragher went on to become one of the best defenders to ever wear a Liverpool shirt. if you can't see that, that's your problem and a few of your drunk mates who you played football with who like to boo young players are welcome to your crap.
posted on 30/10/12
I have never booed a Liverpool player ever
please show me where i have said this..leave the facts to me
posted on 30/10/12
You're not good with facts.
Try these one's:-
Team
FA Cup (2): 2000–01, 2005–06
League Cup (3): 2000–01, 2002–03, 2011–12
FA Community Shield (2): 2001, 2006
UEFA Champions League (1): 2004–05
UEFA Cup (1): 2000–01
UEFA Super Cup (2): 2001, 2005
Individual
PFA Team of the Year (1): 2006
Liverpool Player of the Year Award (1): 2007
That's eleven team honours and two individual honours, one given by fellow professionals and one given by Liverpool fans.
There's your facts.
posted on 30/10/12
There is players in every team / squad with a haul of medals but they have never been the reason why that team has won that trophy....look at our 2005 CL winning team, whilst Alonso, Gerrard, Hyypia, Hamman and a few other were fantastic, some of the players that picked up a CL winners medal was just wrong. This happens all the time, pegge arpexhead probably has a about 10 from his time with us....i'll say no more
posted on 30/10/12
Carragher was outstanding that year we won the Champions League. In fact if it weren't for Gerrard he'd have a mountain of Liverpool Player of the Year awards.
Part of the defence which conceded only six goals in twelve games leading up to the final against some of the best teams and players in the world.
There's some more facts for you.
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