comment by TreeBurningRam (Rogi Camits vs. Nivek Rotceh) (U6414) posted 22 minutes ago

Morning all.

I think it is a total disgrace that our Government, a Government I voted for,
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Not 1 single person voted for this government

In as much as people voted for the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats, and therefore, people DID vote for this Government in a round-about way.

I'm not getting bogged-down in this whole viper's nest/hornet's nest regarding the Coalition!

The loss off jobs will be felt much wider than the area around Osmaston road / Litchurch Lane.

As for comparing this issue to gun/knife crime is stupid.
Derby too has a similar problem with the above as well as drug related issues.

This is about jobs in the local economy.

For once, unite, whatever colour your team, creed or even political preference

The whole country refers to it as "Sh*ttingham"

really,
The only people i have ever heard use it are the same ones who are now bleating for sympathy because they have lost a few jobs.

U8898

Is it 'everybody's right to be employed'.?
I'd say it depends on whether a person is employable. Be that logistically or if they are suitable to the role.
I don't think it's right to compare the effect on a family that has suffered unemployment to that of a family who has suffered physical loss as a result of crime, but I understand your sentiment.

I just hope that those at Bombardier who do lose their jobs, find alternative employment as quickly as possible and with as little distruption to their lives as possible.

Iwaslevel, seriously? You think you have to live in Derby to know anything about the problem? I think Abu has pointed out that he knows a fair deal as he's spot on that the company must bare the brunt of the blame. News stories about old workers moaning that it's no longer a job for life and wondering what their grandkids would do hit home. It's terrbly sad and desperate, like the state of most of UK's feeble manufacturing industry, but if they'd concentrated on how they'd do the job at a competitive price rather than how they'd do it and keep everyone on full-time maybe there'd have been less cuts required.

It's everyone's right to be employed, it doesn't mean an employer has to give you the job ahead of someone better who'll do it for less just because you live next door to the office.

"I just hope that those at Bombardier who do lose their jobs, find alternative employment as quickly as possible and with as little distruption to their lives as possible."

Is that even worth saying, does anyone not think that? It's like a beauty queen wishing for world peace!

u8898


Im not sure exactly what you are insinuating! By calling Nottingham 'shottingham' does not show any disrespect to the families who have tragically lost someone. It merely refers to the area nd reputation of that specific area.

Is the whole world disrespecting victims in Johannesberg by calling that the 'Murder Capital of The World' ?? I dont think so, its merely how cities and areas are tarnished by the media!

Comparing a loss of a job to the loss of life does not even come close, and I will always offer my sincere condolences to anyone who has been effected with these type of crimes, particularly in Nottingham that is very close to our doorstep. I am sure that many Derby people will share this view

The argument that you are making either shows that:

a) you are a fool
b) you are not very clever
c) you have come on here for a WUM

Yes of course everyone has the right to a job - initially.

Obviously, if they aren't prepared to do the job to a reasonable standard while they are working, or aren't bothered or pro-active enough to seek employment, then no, you could say they don't "have the right" per se.

In my mind, unless they are totally unable to work (e.g. physically or mentally disadvantaged etc.) or are doing all they can to look for a job to receive job-seekers' allowance, they do not deserve any benefits either.

That list would include, among others: paedophiles who cannot get employment due to previous indiscretions, murderers (and attempted murderers) who too cannot find an employer, and people unable to work due to self-infliction (e.g. drug users, alcoholics, people who eat themselves silly etc.). Obviously, each case would have its own merits.

It's a grey area, what with discrimination but unless there is a definite reason why someone shouldn't or cannot work, then I believe everyone has the right to a job.

"Race to the bottom"

Sad, sad state of affairs

TEG - Explain what your on about?? Have I missed something?

ramadan

LloydX picking fault with what I say, just for a change, with his oh so valued opinion.

Nice one Richard Cranium.

AJ, not answering any points raised and just getting personal as usual. Yawn.

Mummy, the horrible men are bickering again and may resort to fisticuffs...

Please make them stop it!!!

Wel,l I know nowt about business or how it is run which probably makes me a thicko red dog..but..I do care very much about the effect all this is going to have on the men, women, and kids, who are going to have to rely on state benefits to get by.
I remember all the industry that has gone down the pan in Nottingham like Raleigh for instance and the lace and textile manufacturers and the way skilled folk were just thrown on the scrap heap after years of loyal service.
You can say the world is changing but my god it ain't for the better.
Anyroad, I hope the demo is well attended and goes well though sadly it will not make much difference.

I've worked the past five years of my life in an area having to deal with huge levels of unemployment and gun violence. So I stand in solidarity with all those going through the struggle, created by banks, corporations and governments.

Too right we're blaming them if the economy they created isn't serving us then why should we serve them. As for the point of protesting, don't buy the line that it achieves nothing, when men, women and children unite behind each other walls come tumbling down

Maybe they don't expect it to make a difference but would rather do this than go quietly. However much you agree or disagree you have to admire people for getting up off their sofa and having a go.

comment by LloydX (U6993) posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago

Iwaslevel, seriously? You think you have to live in Derby to know anything about the problem? I think Abu has pointed out that he knows a fair deal as he's spot on that the company must bare the brunt of the blame. News stories about old workers moaning that it's no longer a job for life and wondering what their grandkids would do hit home. It's terrbly sad and desperate, like the state of most of UK's feeble manufacturing industry, but if they'd concentrated on how they'd do the job at a competitive price rather than how they'd do it and keep everyone on full-time maybe there'd have been less cuts required.


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Lloyd - You don't know much about British Manufacturing do you. We may not have the high production rates of the past and quite frankly, we are better off without it, but we have bespoke factories that are the best in the world. Take Bomardier as an example:

They design and make the most advanced trains available. More advanced that Siemens. The specification of the carriage they lost to Seimens included a 'light weight' Bogie. Bomardier have been making it for 10 years with a proven Safety record. Siemens haven't even designed theirs yet, and yet they win the bid. This has got cost over runs written all over it.

The point I am making is that you shouldn't belittle British Manufcaturing because it will stand next to any other in the world. Bomardier used to be BREL in the 80s. That was when they started to introduce Japanese style production methods to streamline processes. I know this because I worked there and chaired a 'quality circle'. High tech machinery was introduced. This was 30 years ago and improvements have continued ever since. You need to change your opinion because it's out of date.

When, oh when, will we get back to the football...

getting sick off hearing about bombardier now! its all i hear! maybe if they ran their company right they would loose contracts leave right and centre!

do it. you know it makes sense.

Yes, roll over and have your belly tickled apathy is what killed this country....

It is simply impossible under procurement law to renege on the criteria set at the outset of the procurement (i.e. by Labour) without opening the Government up to the risk of being sued or restarting the procurement altogether. Both of these would be extremely expensive, and the latter option would set the Thameslink Programme back by some years. In other words don't shoot the messenger!

In additon, in recent times Bombardier do not have a great record when it comes to delivering trains on time. Commuters in London and other cities have had to suffer because of this and it has not gone down to well with the DfT either. Now while this is certainly not the fault of the workforce at Litchurch Lane it can't have helped the Bombardier bid.

Just back from the march - made me proud to a Derbian.

Excellent turnout - 6000+ now we need to continue doing everything to get this contract debacle sorted.

Well done to the Derby and Forest 606ers who went on this march.