Tim- Rangers are not a unionist club. As others have said on here a proportion of the fans may well be but that is not the same as saying the club is.

I have been a Rangers fan all my life, always see myself as Scottish not British, will seriously consider the independence debate without any thought to my club and most importantly I have never voted Tory .

Celtic were set up by a religious figure for purposes beyond merely playing sport. People can discuss the merits or issues this caused elsewhere. Rangers were not. Certainly there were times when the club have embraced the unionist stance and several Chairmen and board members may have been prominent board members but Rangers as a club have never declared our position to be a unionist football club.

Prove me wrong with a link......

As for Hearts, if they committed the same offences the same punishments must be delivered. Simples....

Out of interest, will Hearts be given an additional £100,000 fine for bringing the game into disrepute as Rangers were given for not paying taxes?

Also, I'm assuming any monies owed to the game in general by Hearts will be taken from their upcomming Scottish Cup tie with Hibs?

ron you would think so but i think we both know how unlikely that is

Don't be silly Ron, that would be even and fair handed ffs. The bhoys would never accept that

Celtic is an Irish club with links to Scotland ! <wink>

Celtic is an Irish clubs with links to terrorism...

Yeah I wont hold my breath.

Even though our own club has been through all this I'm still not 100% clued up on the whole admin / liquidation gear.

But they were saying on the radio that this Hearts situation is actually a bit different from Rangers one. The notice from HRMC isnt to put Hearts in admin if they cant pay, its just to straigh up close the club straight away. Is that right?

I'm guessing Vlad Romanov could put the club into Admin if it looked like they couldnt pay their bill soon and drag this whole sorry story on for a few more months?

Terrorist links?

In terms of fans' voting, Celtic have surely been the most unionist club in Scotland with a very large proportion of their fans voting for Labour, a unionist party. There have also been Labour politicians sitting on the Celtic board recently.

yeah ron it is a winding up notice which will put hearts straight into liquidation

I can't see Hearts fans giving £2m to a club that could go under a few months later.

which i suppose begs the question why the bold phil and his numpty pal weren't all over this

meuandcoop - Do you think the 2 of them could cobble that much together in the first place??

"The notice from HRMC isnt to put Hearts in admin if they cant pay, its just to straigh up close the club straight away"
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It's to liquidate the company. If that's all that happens, Hearts are nowhere.

It might be possible for the company to put itself into admin beforehand. That would buy them time and they might agree a CVA or another company could take over.

Bh - don't go confusing thier warped logic with evidence to the contrary

coop

thats the thing...hearts are fecked the noo when they should be cash positive with all the ST money in, sponsorship and tv revenue. how bad will they be in the summer when they have no revenue coming through the door?

Papa..Wee Salmond must have a few boab in his sporran !

TRFC...the Sky deal will be further reduced next season. No Rangers, less corporate deals, 6 other clubs in deep poo....it ain't looking good ! Never mind our standing in Europe is on the up

It might be possible for the company to put itself into admin beforehand. That would buy them time and they might agree a CVA or another company could take over.
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But during the Rangers admin and cva proposal we were told HMRC do not negotiate on non payment of tax and indeed our cva was booted.

I'm guessing this would be the same with Hearts?

If so then the only point in Hearts going into Admin would be to try and sell the club to someone. Although I'm guessing the prospect of owning a club with approx £22,000,000 of debt to Vlad Romanov wouldnt be appealing.

If they did get liquidated then Romanov and his company might be the main creditor then?

Doesnt sound too good.

ron

pretty sure romanov and his bank would be preferred creditor

Hearts are fooked

I think Rangers' problem was Whyte and his history with HMRC. Hearts may have a similar situation with Romanov but he's shrewd and will amke sure that if they go bust he'll keep Tynecastle for development as a housing estate !

Could Romanov use his bank's debt to put through a CVA?

Blue...good point. His bank would be the biggest creditor and thereby could agree the CVA forcing HMRC to accept it. But, he'd loose a huge % of his money to get rid of a £2m debt.....I think.

Could Romanov use his bank's debt to put through a CVA?
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From my point of view, I think he could.

But it would mean him writing off £22,000,000 owed to his bank/company and accepting a minimal pence in the pound offer.

It would keep Hearts going I think but it would mean his bank would have lost any debt owed to them and own a club that makes no money.

Wouldnt really make any sense.