Everton have been superb so far this season, they work incredibly hard when not in possession, they play fluid passing football, but also vary their game when required, and can play it long into Fellaini who brings others into play.
Baines always makes himself available, and works his socks off going forward, and also defensively.
The problem they face, which is not too different to the others who might challenge for top 4, is keeping key players fit, as their squad is thin to say the least, and come January, Im sure they will be bracing themselves as regards offers coming in for Fellaini, and I see Chelsea offering big big money for him in that transfer window.
If they can resist such offers, which I very much doubt, they stand as much chance as anyone of getting that last champions league place, albeit, that they would have to sustain the level of play they have displayed so far.
It must be said though, in comparison to some, they have had a easier start to the season, so when the tougher fixtures start coming quick and fast, it might just become a little too much for them to sustain their current position in the league.
Personally, I think an 8th or 9th place finish is a more realistic finishing position come the end of the season.
At present on current form, we are with out doubt the 4th best team in the country, only time will tell if we finish 4th best in the league
comment by FatJanMolby (U4297)
You have shown yourself up to being the tool you are.
Let's say and this is a long stretch of the imagination that after 10 games lLiverpool Fc had 21 points instead of a paltry 11.Would you say those 10 points difference would influence where Liverpool FC would finish in the season.A simple yes it would make a difference or No Liverpool being on 11 or 21 points after 10 games would have NO influence at all in where they ended up after 38 games.
Simple YES or No will suffice
Not sure why the RS think we are going to finish in a lower postion than last year, how could you come to this opinion?
You have shown yourself up to being the tool you are.
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And you've shown yourself to be really stupid. You really don't understand it do you.
Of course there is some effect but my point is and has been throughout that it doesn't matter too much when there are still 27/28 games to go. If you can't see that a lot can change in 27/28 games then there really is no point in continuing this conversation. A lot can change in 5 games. I've proven this by showing you how things changed last season for 10 teams, and they were significant changes.
comment by FatJanMolby (U4297)
That will be a YES then from you fatlad,if any team had more or less points at this stage of the season it would have a direct influence on where they end up.It's not rocket science is it,well maybe for you it is
Tougher opponents coming up? Err, no! They are all tough. Whether pushing for the top, or fighting for survival, every opponent calls for a top-fit squad and a team in good form. Atm we have both. That's why we are optimistic. If we can concentrate on our form and our game we must fear nobody. Reading will be hard enough on Saturday, but we can win there as we can win at home against Norwich and Arsenal. But only if we give 100%. COYB!
Are Stoke and Sunderland small clubs? We got two draws.
I said smaller, not small. So drawing at home to Stoke and Newcastle is a good result for Liverpool now is it? I wouldn't say being held to a struggling Sunderland is a good result either.
My point is, just because we've got some strong teams to play,doesn't mean your going to take advantage,as your form isn't all that good against the so called SMALLER teams. There's a reason your lying 13th on minus 2 goals.
Every game obviously has an influence on where you end up at the end of the season, the important thing being that you still have something to play for with about 7 or 8 games left, if for instance, there is still a chance of CL qualification, then that will influence the way the team performs in those remaing games much more so than if we were languishing in mid table with no chance of being relegated, that's just the way it is, carrot and stick etc.
I certainly think we have a chance of top four this season, but we do need a bit of luck with keeping the squad fit, I think most fair minded neutrals will acknowledge our first 11 can give anybody a game, and having said that, two of those have been missing for a few weeks already and we're still doing ok.
Ps. Fellaini's going nowhere in January, unless somebody makes an offer that pays off Everton debt in full, and no ones gonna offer us £55M for him are they?
Teams in the top four at this stage of the season have a 70% chance of ending it in the top four......
Thems are the facts and figures.
That will be a YES then from you fatlad,if any team had more or less points at this stage of the season it would have a direct influence on where they end up.It's not rocket science is it,well maybe for you it
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Ate you a frcking imbecile phil. How many more examples do I need to provide where the first 10 didn't affect the end position. Last season for example we had more points than you after 10 games. At January we had more points than you but after 38 games we had less. I showed you 9 other examples from last season where there was no correlation between the first 10 games and where team finished.
Hopefully this message will get into your thick
skull. The season is 38 games long. The first 10 games has some effect but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't have too much of a bearing as to where a team will eventually finish.
I said smaller, not small. So drawing at home to Stoke and Newcastle is a good result for Liverpool now is it? I wouldn't say being held to a struggling Sunderland is a good result either.
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I would say they are better than draws with QPR and Wigan
Jan you are doing your best to show us how stupid you really are!
In nearly 3/4 of the seasons where top four got you CL football, the teams who were in those spots after 10 games were the sides to progress.
Them the facts.
What are your odds to finish top four.....ours look a lot shorter
I would say they are better than draws with QPR and Wigan
Wigan drew with Stoke and beat Spurs don't you know.
comment by FatJanMolby (U4297)
Fatlad,how many times do I have to say this for you to understand,if a club has 1 point or 30 points after 10 or any amount in between then that will have a direct influence on where they ultimately end up at the end of the season.
Why do you think the bookies have trebled the odds on Liverpool this season if by your reckoning what you do after 10 games does not have a direct influence on where you are likely to end up.
C'mon fatlad we all know just how stupid you are,so please refrain from us putting you into the TOOR bracket of stupidity,
You reall are a moron fat lad. So if you draw the first game of the season and you win the league by a point then that game had no bearing whether you won the league or not? You dipstick.
4th maybe a touch and go but i don't think 5/6 th is unrealistic
If Everton can get through the tough games they have in December and Jan they could well be in with a shout of fourth. Big ask though.
Everton have only played two of the teams that finished above them last season for example. Also conceeding goals so need to keep Jelavic going.
On the other hand Moyes tends to do some good business in January so maybe they'll kick on. If they make it they deserve it.
I do not rate Moyes in any capacity when it comes to knock out competition though. All he does is concentrate on the league which is how they have finished midtable so many times. Different kettle of fish playnig 60 games a season.
We have three so called harder games.....
I predict at least 6 points from them and 4-6 from the two games prior..
Really?
Man City V Everton
Everton V Tottenham
Stoke V Everton
West Ham V Everton
Everton V Wigan
Everton V Chelsea
The only banker I can see there is Wigan at home. You Arsenal and Newcastle either side of those fixtures.
I don't think you'll take more than 10 points from those 8 games. If you do then well done.
My mistake in confusing you.....i am talking about our next 5 games
Not games far far away
YOu did not confuse me. Just yourself. That's why I wrote December and Jan.
Why look at future games.....the best five will define how we go into that period. I predict in fine form and buzzing.
I agree Robbing, a tough run of games that, but there aren't many easy games as we both found out at West Brom. I'd fancy us to beat Tottenham, Stoke, West Ham, WIgan and Newcastle and hope that our tag as City's bogey team continues. I'd fancy us to get something out of Arsenal though, they aren't exactly a frightening prospect these days. Only Chelsea and City where we'll possibly leave without a point. 16 points for me from those fixtures and a consolidation in 4th. God, I can believe I'm talking us up, it's been years since I've felt this kind of optimism around the stadium, it's brilliant. No doubt come January I'll be depressed and disillusioned and listening to the Blue Union again who have miraculously reappeared now the team's good run has ended. Scratch that Robbing, we'd be lucky to get a point from those games.
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posted on 13/11/12
Everton have been superb so far this season, they work incredibly hard when not in possession, they play fluid passing football, but also vary their game when required, and can play it long into Fellaini who brings others into play.
Baines always makes himself available, and works his socks off going forward, and also defensively.
The problem they face, which is not too different to the others who might challenge for top 4, is keeping key players fit, as their squad is thin to say the least, and come January, Im sure they will be bracing themselves as regards offers coming in for Fellaini, and I see Chelsea offering big big money for him in that transfer window.
If they can resist such offers, which I very much doubt, they stand as much chance as anyone of getting that last champions league place, albeit, that they would have to sustain the level of play they have displayed so far.
It must be said though, in comparison to some, they have had a easier start to the season, so when the tougher fixtures start coming quick and fast, it might just become a little too much for them to sustain their current position in the league.
Personally, I think an 8th or 9th place finish is a more realistic finishing position come the end of the season.
posted on 13/11/12
At present on current form, we are with out doubt the 4th best team in the country, only time will tell if we finish 4th best in the league
posted on 13/11/12
comment by FatJanMolby (U4297)
You have shown yourself up to being the tool you are.
Let's say and this is a long stretch of the imagination that after 10 games lLiverpool Fc had 21 points instead of a paltry 11.Would you say those 10 points difference would influence where Liverpool FC would finish in the season.A simple yes it would make a difference or No Liverpool being on 11 or 21 points after 10 games would have NO influence at all in where they ended up after 38 games.
Simple YES or No will suffice
posted on 13/11/12
Not sure why the RS think we are going to finish in a lower postion than last year, how could you come to this opinion?
posted on 13/11/12
You have shown yourself up to being the tool you are.
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And you've shown yourself to be really stupid. You really don't understand it do you.
Of course there is some effect but my point is and has been throughout that it doesn't matter too much when there are still 27/28 games to go. If you can't see that a lot can change in 27/28 games then there really is no point in continuing this conversation. A lot can change in 5 games. I've proven this by showing you how things changed last season for 10 teams, and they were significant changes.
posted on 13/11/12
comment by FatJanMolby (U4297)
That will be a YES then from you fatlad,if any team had more or less points at this stage of the season it would have a direct influence on where they end up.It's not rocket science is it,well maybe for you it is
posted on 13/11/12
Tougher opponents coming up? Err, no! They are all tough. Whether pushing for the top, or fighting for survival, every opponent calls for a top-fit squad and a team in good form. Atm we have both. That's why we are optimistic. If we can concentrate on our form and our game we must fear nobody. Reading will be hard enough on Saturday, but we can win there as we can win at home against Norwich and Arsenal. But only if we give 100%. COYB!
posted on 13/11/12
27 games to go
posted on 13/11/12
Are Stoke and Sunderland small clubs? We got two draws.
I said smaller, not small. So drawing at home to Stoke and Newcastle is a good result for Liverpool now is it? I wouldn't say being held to a struggling Sunderland is a good result either.
My point is, just because we've got some strong teams to play,doesn't mean your going to take advantage,as your form isn't all that good against the so called SMALLER teams. There's a reason your lying 13th on minus 2 goals.
posted on 13/11/12
Every game obviously has an influence on where you end up at the end of the season, the important thing being that you still have something to play for with about 7 or 8 games left, if for instance, there is still a chance of CL qualification, then that will influence the way the team performs in those remaing games much more so than if we were languishing in mid table with no chance of being relegated, that's just the way it is, carrot and stick etc.
I certainly think we have a chance of top four this season, but we do need a bit of luck with keeping the squad fit, I think most fair minded neutrals will acknowledge our first 11 can give anybody a game, and having said that, two of those have been missing for a few weeks already and we're still doing ok.
Ps. Fellaini's going nowhere in January, unless somebody makes an offer that pays off Everton debt in full, and no ones gonna offer us £55M for him are they?
posted on 13/11/12
Teams in the top four at this stage of the season have a 70% chance of ending it in the top four......
Thems are the facts and figures.
posted on 13/11/12
That will be a YES then from you fatlad,if any team had more or less points at this stage of the season it would have a direct influence on where they end up.It's not rocket science is it,well maybe for you it
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Ate you a frcking imbecile phil. How many more examples do I need to provide where the first 10 didn't affect the end position. Last season for example we had more points than you after 10 games. At January we had more points than you but after 38 games we had less. I showed you 9 other examples from last season where there was no correlation between the first 10 games and where team finished.
Hopefully this message will get into your thick
skull. The season is 38 games long. The first 10 games has some effect but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't have too much of a bearing as to where a team will eventually finish.
posted on 13/11/12
I said smaller, not small. So drawing at home to Stoke and Newcastle is a good result for Liverpool now is it? I wouldn't say being held to a struggling Sunderland is a good result either.
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I would say they are better than draws with QPR and Wigan
posted on 14/11/12
Jan you are doing your best to show us how stupid you really are!
In nearly 3/4 of the seasons where top four got you CL football, the teams who were in those spots after 10 games were the sides to progress.
Them the facts.
What are your odds to finish top four.....ours look a lot shorter
posted on 14/11/12
I would say they are better than draws with QPR and Wigan
Wigan drew with Stoke and beat Spurs don't you know.
posted on 14/11/12
comment by FatJanMolby (U4297)
Fatlad,how many times do I have to say this for you to understand,if a club has 1 point or 30 points after 10 or any amount in between then that will have a direct influence on where they ultimately end up at the end of the season.
Why do you think the bookies have trebled the odds on Liverpool this season if by your reckoning what you do after 10 games does not have a direct influence on where you are likely to end up.
C'mon fatlad we all know just how stupid you are,so please refrain from us putting you into the TOOR bracket of stupidity,
posted on 14/11/12
You reall are a moron fat lad. So if you draw the first game of the season and you win the league by a point then that game had no bearing whether you won the league or not? You dipstick.
posted on 14/11/12
4th maybe a touch and go but i don't think 5/6 th is unrealistic
posted on 14/11/12
If Everton can get through the tough games they have in December and Jan they could well be in with a shout of fourth. Big ask though.
Everton have only played two of the teams that finished above them last season for example. Also conceeding goals so need to keep Jelavic going.
On the other hand Moyes tends to do some good business in January so maybe they'll kick on. If they make it they deserve it.
I do not rate Moyes in any capacity when it comes to knock out competition though. All he does is concentrate on the league which is how they have finished midtable so many times. Different kettle of fish playnig 60 games a season.
posted on 14/11/12
We have three so called harder games.....
I predict at least 6 points from them and 4-6 from the two games prior..
posted on 14/11/12
Really?
Man City V Everton
Everton V Tottenham
Stoke V Everton
West Ham V Everton
Everton V Wigan
Everton V Chelsea
The only banker I can see there is Wigan at home. You Arsenal and Newcastle either side of those fixtures.
I don't think you'll take more than 10 points from those 8 games. If you do then well done.
posted on 14/11/12
My mistake in confusing you.....i am talking about our next 5 games
Not games far far away
posted on 14/11/12
YOu did not confuse me. Just yourself. That's why I wrote December and Jan.
posted on 14/11/12
Why look at future games.....the best five will define how we go into that period. I predict in fine form and buzzing.
posted on 14/11/12
I agree Robbing, a tough run of games that, but there aren't many easy games as we both found out at West Brom. I'd fancy us to beat Tottenham, Stoke, West Ham, WIgan and Newcastle and hope that our tag as City's bogey team continues. I'd fancy us to get something out of Arsenal though, they aren't exactly a frightening prospect these days. Only Chelsea and City where we'll possibly leave without a point. 16 points for me from those fixtures and a consolidation in 4th. God, I can believe I'm talking us up, it's been years since I've felt this kind of optimism around the stadium, it's brilliant. No doubt come January I'll be depressed and disillusioned and listening to the Blue Union again who have miraculously reappeared now the team's good run has ended. Scratch that Robbing, we'd be lucky to get a point from those games.
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