Gervinho also scored 16 goals for Lille, doesn't say much about Ligue 1.
John1
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Even Gervinho scored a lot for Lille as well...
Its not always about the numbers but also the all round play.
To score you need the service.
A poor player with good service will almost always have better stats than a great player with poor service...
At the moment we are creating nothing. We aren't missing chances, we just aren't creating anything... So how will Giroud even score??
BB, I dont get your comment to be honest.
Also , given that this is his first season, I think Giroud is adapting well. He might prove a fantastic success or a complete dud, but at the moment he is adjusting to the team, and shows no lack of diligence and graft, even when the team is playing like shiiit. That is something really heartwarming. His goal and assist record is also decent, especially given how pathetically we have been playing decently. So its idiotic how some supporters are slating him right now.
I do agree that if we buy another striker, he should be a more nimble poacher kind of striker (unless we plan to keep Walcott). But Giroud has performed well for me, and I strongly feel he will get better and better. If another striker comes, we have to try and fit two strikers into the team.
At the moment we are creating nothing. We aren't missing chances, we just aren't creating anything... So how will Giroud even score??
What a brilliant comment that is. How do you think Huntelaar will score then?
@ What would Stuart Pearce do?
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My point isn't that we should play Bendtner but that we are making signings that aren't even better than what we already have..
Thats why despite the buys, we are still eager for Diaby and Rosicky to return
Exactly GT. We need a winger. And we need to re-sign Walcott.
Side note; I don't know why Poldi doesn't attempt more crosses. His flat crosses are generally fantastic
Cereal, spot on. I think the last few games Giroud was our consistent performer apart from the Montpellier game first half. But that is what I really appreciate on him. He ups his game due to fighting spirit. Refreshing to see that. Not many of our players do that.
People need to put things in context
One of the most annoying things is when people go on about wages
For example Chamakh we GOT HIM
ON A FREE FROM BORDEAUX We signed him up on a long contract (You don't give players2 year contracts)
for £50K a week which st the time proved he was a bargain
We didn't predict he would flop this much and have off the field issues
"He ups his game due to fighting spirit. "
Exactly. His fighting spirit and graft was probably the main reason for us turning the game against Reading. He, Walcott and Chamakh were connecting beautifully.
Exactly. His fighting spirit and graft was probably the main reason for us turning the game against Reading. He, Walcott and Chamakh were connecting beautifully.
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comment by gunnerthru - the German Wunderkind (U6675)
What a brilliant comment that is. How do you think Huntelaar will score then?
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Exactly why i questioned the Giroud purchase..
Why we keep buying the same sort of players when we also need players of a different type.
Stu, not only is it unfair to question Giroud signing with just 12 games done, but also to fail to look at the reason why Giroud is apparently failing.
Any striker in World Football relies on service. No service, no goals. Is it any coincedence that we failed to score again, with Walcott out?
For added strength, Wenger needs to add another striker or make the firm decision to add either Podolski or Walcott as a striker, and therefore buy a new winger.
Exactly why i questioned the Giroud purchase..
Why we keep buying the same sort of players when we also need players of a different type.
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Sorry I dont get your comment. We need a new CF. Giroud gives us something different to what we all seen for so many seasons now and that lead to nothing apart of frustration.
It's not Giroud fault when Wenger is inept to form the adaquat tactics or to buy wingers that can play different style of football.
Any striker in World Football relies on service. No service, no goals. Is it any coincedence that we failed to score again, with Walcott out?
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Its not a coincident when Giroud pick up the ball in midfield to initiate something. When I watched Giroud on the wing at Villa I begin to . That annoys me.
StuFeez
Giroud is certainly a better option than Chamakh or Bendtner.
Oh, and to the original OPs question....
Are you having a laugh? Giroud is miles beyond Chamakh and Bendtner. Granted, he's no RVP, but he's not a total pants job like those two.
@ GT & Serial
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My point basically is...
It makes no sense to just buy another tall striker just cause the tall striker you already have isn't scoring..
If Giroud isn't scoring for instance, it makes no sense to just go buy Lorente for example and expect things to be better. Thats all I meant.
You need to first know the reasons why they are not scoring and it is obvious why they aren't
Ah right, in that case i agree.
I thought you were putting the blame on Giroud. We all know what the problem is. Its fecking obvious. I suspect Wenger knows this is the problem too, though i think his ego is putting up a big barrier to common sense.
Stu, agree with you on that. We need another striker. I am absolute with you and I don't think it could be Llorente or Huntelaar.
We need a striker who can dribble around or at defenders and a fox in the box for my taste. That would be ideal.
"We need a striker who can dribble around or at defenders and a fox in the box for my taste."
Yeah we should try to get that Real Sociedad striker. He would eb good in a 4-4-2. Can't recall his name
Honestly, buying a new striker would be pointless if we persist on a 4-3-3, since Giroud would be benched and lose confidence, and more importantly, there aren't too many players around who can play the role anyway (especially in our current style of football). And the ones who exist would cost > 30mn.
I think we are just saving up to get Neymar and Messi.
"I think we are just saving up to get Neymar and Messi. "
Yep on loan for 6 months when they are around 40 years ols
Giroud is part of the problem why we can't play through the middle. He doesn't have mobility or the technical ability to make runs behind the defenders and control the ball in tight spaces which is why we have to go outwide and put crosses into the box.
If we're going to stick with the same formation then we need a top class striker in January with Giroud being used as backup. A more mobile striker will also bring the best out of Cazorla as he'll have more opportunities to play balls through the middle.
It's infuriating to think that literally ANY player would be better than Gervinho, and most would cost less too.
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posted on 26/11/12
Gervinho also scored 16 goals for Lille, doesn't say much about Ligue 1.
posted on 26/11/12
John1
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Even Gervinho scored a lot for Lille as well...
Its not always about the numbers but also the all round play.
To score you need the service.
A poor player with good service will almost always have better stats than a great player with poor service...
At the moment we are creating nothing. We aren't missing chances, we just aren't creating anything... So how will Giroud even score??
posted on 26/11/12
BB, I dont get your comment to be honest.
posted on 26/11/12
Also , given that this is his first season, I think Giroud is adapting well. He might prove a fantastic success or a complete dud, but at the moment he is adjusting to the team, and shows no lack of diligence and graft, even when the team is playing like shiiit. That is something really heartwarming. His goal and assist record is also decent, especially given how pathetically we have been playing decently. So its idiotic how some supporters are slating him right now.
I do agree that if we buy another striker, he should be a more nimble poacher kind of striker (unless we plan to keep Walcott). But Giroud has performed well for me, and I strongly feel he will get better and better. If another striker comes, we have to try and fit two strikers into the team.
posted on 26/11/12
At the moment we are creating nothing. We aren't missing chances, we just aren't creating anything... So how will Giroud even score??
What a brilliant comment that is. How do you think Huntelaar will score then?
posted on 26/11/12
@ What would Stuart Pearce do?
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My point isn't that we should play Bendtner but that we are making signings that aren't even better than what we already have..
Thats why despite the buys, we are still eager for Diaby and Rosicky to return
posted on 26/11/12
Exactly GT. We need a winger. And we need to re-sign Walcott.
Side note; I don't know why Poldi doesn't attempt more crosses. His flat crosses are generally fantastic
posted on 26/11/12
Cereal, spot on. I think the last few games Giroud was our consistent performer apart from the Montpellier game first half. But that is what I really appreciate on him. He ups his game due to fighting spirit. Refreshing to see that. Not many of our players do that.
posted on 26/11/12
People need to put things in context
One of the most annoying things is when people go on about wages
For example Chamakh we GOT HIM
ON A FREE FROM BORDEAUX We signed him up on a long contract (You don't give players2 year contracts)
for £50K a week which st the time proved he was a bargain
We didn't predict he would flop this much and have off the field issues
posted on 26/11/12
"He ups his game due to fighting spirit. "
Exactly. His fighting spirit and graft was probably the main reason for us turning the game against Reading. He, Walcott and Chamakh were connecting beautifully.
posted on 26/11/12
Exactly. His fighting spirit and graft was probably the main reason for us turning the game against Reading. He, Walcott and Chamakh were connecting beautifully.
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appreciate your comment.
posted on 26/11/12
comment by gunnerthru - the German Wunderkind (U6675)
What a brilliant comment that is. How do you think Huntelaar will score then?
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Exactly why i questioned the Giroud purchase..
Why we keep buying the same sort of players when we also need players of a different type.
posted on 26/11/12
Stu, not only is it unfair to question Giroud signing with just 12 games done, but also to fail to look at the reason why Giroud is apparently failing.
Any striker in World Football relies on service. No service, no goals. Is it any coincedence that we failed to score again, with Walcott out?
For added strength, Wenger needs to add another striker or make the firm decision to add either Podolski or Walcott as a striker, and therefore buy a new winger.
posted on 26/11/12
Exactly why i questioned the Giroud purchase..
Why we keep buying the same sort of players when we also need players of a different type.
________________
Sorry I dont get your comment. We need a new CF. Giroud gives us something different to what we all seen for so many seasons now and that lead to nothing apart of frustration.
It's not Giroud fault when Wenger is inept to form the adaquat tactics or to buy wingers that can play different style of football.
posted on 26/11/12
Any striker in World Football relies on service. No service, no goals. Is it any coincedence that we failed to score again, with Walcott out?
____________________________
Its not a coincident when Giroud pick up the ball in midfield to initiate something. When I watched Giroud on the wing at Villa I begin to . That annoys me.
posted on 26/11/12
StuFeez
Giroud is certainly a better option than Chamakh or Bendtner.
posted on 26/11/12
Oh, and to the original OPs question....
Are you having a laugh? Giroud is miles beyond Chamakh and Bendtner. Granted, he's no RVP, but he's not a total pants job like those two.
posted on 26/11/12
@ GT & Serial
------
My point basically is...
It makes no sense to just buy another tall striker just cause the tall striker you already have isn't scoring..
If Giroud isn't scoring for instance, it makes no sense to just go buy Lorente for example and expect things to be better. Thats all I meant.
You need to first know the reasons why they are not scoring and it is obvious why they aren't
posted on 26/11/12
Ah right, in that case i agree.
I thought you were putting the blame on Giroud. We all know what the problem is. Its fecking obvious. I suspect Wenger knows this is the problem too, though i think his ego is putting up a big barrier to common sense.
posted on 26/11/12
Stu, agree with you on that. We need another striker. I am absolute with you and I don't think it could be Llorente or Huntelaar.
We need a striker who can dribble around or at defenders and a fox in the box for my taste. That would be ideal.
posted on 26/11/12
"We need a striker who can dribble around or at defenders and a fox in the box for my taste."
Yeah we should try to get that Real Sociedad striker. He would eb good in a 4-4-2. Can't recall his name
Honestly, buying a new striker would be pointless if we persist on a 4-3-3, since Giroud would be benched and lose confidence, and more importantly, there aren't too many players around who can play the role anyway (especially in our current style of football). And the ones who exist would cost > 30mn.
posted on 26/11/12
I think we are just saving up to get Neymar and Messi.
posted on 26/11/12
"I think we are just saving up to get Neymar and Messi. "
Yep on loan for 6 months when they are around 40 years ols
posted on 26/11/12
Giroud is part of the problem why we can't play through the middle. He doesn't have mobility or the technical ability to make runs behind the defenders and control the ball in tight spaces which is why we have to go outwide and put crosses into the box.
If we're going to stick with the same formation then we need a top class striker in January with Giroud being used as backup. A more mobile striker will also bring the best out of Cazorla as he'll have more opportunities to play balls through the middle.
posted on 26/11/12
It's infuriating to think that literally ANY player would be better than Gervinho, and most would cost less too.
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