Exactly, dunc.
Rotation at the begining of the season is pointless. The players benefit fitness wise from playing more games and therefore do not needresting as much.
Rotation is good when neccessary. Not for the sake of it.
I'd argue that one of the reasons we get so many injuries is due to rotation.
I'd argue that one of the reasons we get so many injuries is due to rotation.
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i'd actually agree with that
BB
Really?
You don't think Kagawa is better than Young? Or Anderson is better than Cleverley? Or that Nani is better than Valencia? Or that Vidic is better than Smalling?
I'm not saying the 'first choice' players are miles better than their replacements but they'd make our style a bit better to watch and would probably cause more problems than the opposition.
In the the last half of last season we saw 8 players rotate a front 6 of Carrick, Scholes, Giggs, Rooney, Valencia, Nani and Young.
So it hasn't always been change for changes
Park? Welbeck? Chica?
Fergie always rotates when he has a fit squad or injuries. It's his way of managing. It seems to be detrimental to the way we play though.
You don't think Kagawa is better than Young? Or Anderson is better than Cleverley? Or that Nani is better than Valencia? Or that Vidic is better than Smalling?
Yes but it isn't by a margin so great that we should turn into an awful footballing side. The fact is, regardless if our side, we rarely dominate games and play great football. We have our moments, but not enough.
Rotation is why we're top of the league!
Look at Chelsea and Arsenal. They kept the same team for most of the beginning of the season and then 'hit the wall' in Arsene's own words and then dropped off.
Is it a coincidence that City and United are starting to move away from the rest even though they have been the two teams that have rotated the most?
The EPL is a far more physically demanding league than any other in Europe and players get burnt out here far more than anywhere else. The rotation might not make for a pretty team week to week but you can understand why it happens. None of our team looks at all tired and we're winning games nearly every week.
Compare that to Arsenal and Chelsea who are in freefall and you can see why the boss rotates.
It's sad that we'll rarely see that OP team much but I guess you can understand why.
BB
I meant to put Welbeck there as there was only 7 names, not 8. And Park only played once in the run in I think. I can't remember Hernandez playing much that second half. But I remember it was mainly Welbeck and Rooney.
And Park only played once in the run in I think.
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yeah against feckin city after being out for two months
Rubbish, we are the top 2 teams because we are the best top teams. We are top inspite of rotation rather than as a result.
Xabi Alonso said that he was shocked at how much more tired he was after a La Liga game than a Premier League game.
Which also kind puts a hole in this lazy cliche about the prem being the most physically demanding.
Arsenal and Chelsea are in freefall because they aren't very good. Nothing to do with rotation.
Xabi Alonso said that he was shocked at how much more tired he was after a La Liga game than a Premier League game.
Which also kind puts a hole in this lazy cliche about the prem being the most physically demanding.
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i agree there.
in terms of physicality the PL will probably be the toughest, but in terms of stamina la liga will be much tougher as teams keep the ball so much better, and you use more energy when you dont have the ball than when you do.
Not using rob's theory about it being more tiring to attack than defend for a whole match.
Darren
C'mon mate, Chelsea players were knackered by October and then they brought in a couple of players for Mata and Terry and have struggled.
City and United have got the best squads out of any team in the league but we are using those squads to cover for the injuries and tired players.
Chelsea have had to use the same team for league, cup and CL and that is taking its toll. In the 3 competitions we've played this season we've been able to rest certain players and its helped.
Arsenal too. They have flogged Cazorla and Arteta to death and aren't looking as good as they did earlier in the season.
like i say, i agree with rotation to a degree.
if fergie wants to rotate, then fine, do 1 or 2 per game, not 4 or 5.
We're top because everybody is else pants.
The rotation of scholes and giggs in particular is why we have list three times this season...
Darren
It depends on how you attack mate. If you pass the ball about around the oppositions penalty area then it isn't as tiring as constantly attacking down the wing like we did for the first 30 mins of the Chelsea game.
Hence why we tired in that game. It's our all or nothing counter attacking style which tires us out at tough away ground.
If we kept possession and passed the opposition to death (like in the second half of the Spurs game) we'd conserve a lot more energy.
It has had an affect but it is not the reason they're doing so badly. They are just in very poor form, and that's what happen to teams that aren't that good.
Like I said, we are top in spite of the continual rotation.
I'm not saying we should have played the same 11 every game. But for the majority and rest accordingly.
If you can't see that rotation is detrimental to the way the team plays then I give up with you.
You need to stop making excuses for the team and just accept the reasons for why we are seeing what we are seeing.
Macca wrote a fantastic article yesterday about square pegs and round holes, and it sums up our predicament nicely.
nobody ever calls my articles fantastic
We weren't tired after half an hour against Chelsea. Please stop with these fabrications. They are boring.
dunc. I'm sure you've written many. But that one stuck in my mind as it was recent and also applicable to what we are talking about.
nobody ever calls my articles fantastic
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That's because you're a plum..
Fergie doesn't know his beat 11, plain and simple. It's not as though he picks similar teams for all the big games is it?
Thanks Darren
nice to know there are some people on here who are decent and intelligent
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posted on 7/12/12
Exactly, dunc.
Rotation at the begining of the season is pointless. The players benefit fitness wise from playing more games and therefore do not needresting as much.
Rotation is good when neccessary. Not for the sake of it.
I'd argue that one of the reasons we get so many injuries is due to rotation.
posted on 7/12/12
I'd argue that one of the reasons we get so many injuries is due to rotation.
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i'd actually agree with that
posted on 7/12/12
BB
Really?
You don't think Kagawa is better than Young? Or Anderson is better than Cleverley? Or that Nani is better than Valencia? Or that Vidic is better than Smalling?
I'm not saying the 'first choice' players are miles better than their replacements but they'd make our style a bit better to watch and would probably cause more problems than the opposition.
posted on 7/12/12
In the the last half of last season we saw 8 players rotate a front 6 of Carrick, Scholes, Giggs, Rooney, Valencia, Nani and Young.
So it hasn't always been change for changes
Park? Welbeck? Chica?
posted on 7/12/12
Fergie always rotates when he has a fit squad or injuries. It's his way of managing. It seems to be detrimental to the way we play though.
posted on 7/12/12
You don't think Kagawa is better than Young? Or Anderson is better than Cleverley? Or that Nani is better than Valencia? Or that Vidic is better than Smalling?
Yes but it isn't by a margin so great that we should turn into an awful footballing side. The fact is, regardless if our side, we rarely dominate games and play great football. We have our moments, but not enough.
posted on 7/12/12
Rotation is why we're top of the league!
Look at Chelsea and Arsenal. They kept the same team for most of the beginning of the season and then 'hit the wall' in Arsene's own words and then dropped off.
Is it a coincidence that City and United are starting to move away from the rest even though they have been the two teams that have rotated the most?
The EPL is a far more physically demanding league than any other in Europe and players get burnt out here far more than anywhere else. The rotation might not make for a pretty team week to week but you can understand why it happens. None of our team looks at all tired and we're winning games nearly every week.
Compare that to Arsenal and Chelsea who are in freefall and you can see why the boss rotates.
It's sad that we'll rarely see that OP team much but I guess you can understand why.
posted on 7/12/12
BB
I meant to put Welbeck there as there was only 7 names, not 8. And Park only played once in the run in I think. I can't remember Hernandez playing much that second half. But I remember it was mainly Welbeck and Rooney.
posted on 7/12/12
And Park only played once in the run in I think.
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yeah against feckin city after being out for two months
posted on 7/12/12
Rubbish, we are the top 2 teams because we are the best top teams. We are top inspite of rotation rather than as a result.
Xabi Alonso said that he was shocked at how much more tired he was after a La Liga game than a Premier League game.
Which also kind puts a hole in this lazy cliche about the prem being the most physically demanding.
Arsenal and Chelsea are in freefall because they aren't very good. Nothing to do with rotation.
posted on 7/12/12
Xabi Alonso said that he was shocked at how much more tired he was after a La Liga game than a Premier League game.
Which also kind puts a hole in this lazy cliche about the prem being the most physically demanding.
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i agree there.
in terms of physicality the PL will probably be the toughest, but in terms of stamina la liga will be much tougher as teams keep the ball so much better, and you use more energy when you dont have the ball than when you do.
posted on 7/12/12
Not using rob's theory about it being more tiring to attack than defend for a whole match.
posted on 7/12/12
Darren
C'mon mate, Chelsea players were knackered by October and then they brought in a couple of players for Mata and Terry and have struggled.
City and United have got the best squads out of any team in the league but we are using those squads to cover for the injuries and tired players.
Chelsea have had to use the same team for league, cup and CL and that is taking its toll. In the 3 competitions we've played this season we've been able to rest certain players and its helped.
Arsenal too. They have flogged Cazorla and Arteta to death and aren't looking as good as they did earlier in the season.
posted on 7/12/12
like i say, i agree with rotation to a degree.
if fergie wants to rotate, then fine, do 1 or 2 per game, not 4 or 5.
posted on 7/12/12
We're top because everybody is else pants.
The rotation of scholes and giggs in particular is why we have list three times this season...
posted on 7/12/12
Darren
It depends on how you attack mate. If you pass the ball about around the oppositions penalty area then it isn't as tiring as constantly attacking down the wing like we did for the first 30 mins of the Chelsea game.
Hence why we tired in that game. It's our all or nothing counter attacking style which tires us out at tough away ground.
If we kept possession and passed the opposition to death (like in the second half of the Spurs game) we'd conserve a lot more energy.
posted on 7/12/12
It has had an affect but it is not the reason they're doing so badly. They are just in very poor form, and that's what happen to teams that aren't that good.
Like I said, we are top in spite of the continual rotation.
I'm not saying we should have played the same 11 every game. But for the majority and rest accordingly.
If you can't see that rotation is detrimental to the way the team plays then I give up with you.
You need to stop making excuses for the team and just accept the reasons for why we are seeing what we are seeing.
Macca wrote a fantastic article yesterday about square pegs and round holes, and it sums up our predicament nicely.
posted on 7/12/12
nobody ever calls my articles fantastic
posted on 7/12/12
We weren't tired after half an hour against Chelsea. Please stop with these fabrications. They are boring.
posted on 7/12/12
dunc. I'm sure you've written many. But that one stuck in my mind as it was recent and also applicable to what we are talking about.
posted on 7/12/12
nobody ever calls my articles fantastic
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That's because you're a plum..
posted on 7/12/12
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posted on 7/12/12
maestro!!!!!!
posted on 7/12/12
Fergie doesn't know his beat 11, plain and simple. It's not as though he picks similar teams for all the big games is it?
posted on 7/12/12
Thanks Darren
nice to know there are some people on here who are decent and intelligent
maestro... take note on how to act
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