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It was also a matter of great fanfare from journalists like Mr Dundee Utd, Jim Spence, that during the summer, after announcing that they would vote against Rangers continuation in the SPL, Dundee Utd season ticket sales showed a marked upturn. We were told that thousands of tickets were sold on the back of this decision. Again this paints a picture of a support that was boycotting their own club’s ticket sales until they got their own way.
I am not saying that Dundee Utd fans should not take a view on Rangers. If they are so consumed by hatred for my club that they would boycott their own unless they voted us out the SPL, then that is their decision. I can laugh at that decision; I can find it sad, I could even, if I cared enough, allow it to make me angry. However, there is an extraordinary level of hypocrisy involved in the statements now being made about this issue.
Elements of the press, as always, have not disappointed. Within an hour of Charles Green’s initial statement on the refusal to take tickets, people like Jim Delahunt were tweeting and writing about the possibility of the SFA withholding the gate receipts due to Rangers from the game. It would have taken a novel interpretation of the rules they were quoting for this to become a reality, but they didn’t let that stop them.
We also had a lot of comments questioning why Rangers should benefit from a match they were taking no fans to? Well I’m fine with that. If we want to go down the road of dividing all Scottish Cup gate receipts on the basis of the percentage of fans in attendance from each club then Rangers will not be the ones losing out. Dundee Utd have regularly brought less than 500 fans to Ibrox and expected the rules to be adhered to but now they want Rangers to forfeit the right to gate receipts because our fans have no wish to line the pockets of a club that actively campaigned against us? They deserve to be put over someone’s knee and spanked and that is precisely what Charles Green has done.
The SFA have no grounds to deny the gate receipts to Rangers and anyone who says otherwise is engaging in wishful thinking. Yesterday’s decision by the club to donate those proceeds to charity was a PR masterstroke. The club have long needed to improve this area of their operations and there will hopefully be good news on that front in the very near future. We need people engaged full time in these endeavours - not just working on retainer. We need to not only respond to negativity about the club but also start to promote a more positive view of the club and the fans. We also need to build bridges and start to rebuild the reputation of the club, which has certainly been damaged by the events of the past two years.
This however should not be confused with allowing people to walk all over us. We’ve taken our hits and there will be a period of settling scores before the necessary reconciliation, in Scotland at least, commences. There are plenty of clubs in Scottish football, including several in the SPL, who are very keen to establish better relations with our club. We don’t need to start with Dundee Utd and nor should we. Clubs need to realise that they got to poke the bear while it was asleep but we’ve woken up now and we’re understandably a bit grumpy.
The Arab Trust has a view on moving our game forward which is worth finishing on.
“In a time when Scottish football needs to look to the future and how we can rebuild our game, it's sad that some parties choose to refer to past alleged indiscretions”
I wholeheartedly agree so let’s start with this. Drop the title stripping tribunal and ask anyone who has made a public statement about Rangers cheating, financially doping or otherwise winning titles through dishonesty, to make a public apology. Then we can all move on and “look to the future”. No? You don’t want to? Well in that case take your medicine.
Its a non issue for me, the rangers board are free to decide which games they accept tickets for.
However they should show some consistency going forward and refuse tickets to all future games with SPL clubs.
However they should show some consistency going forward and refuse tickets to all future games with SPL clubs.
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as it stands its a one off.
Chris Graham And what a level headed man he is eh.
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However they should show some consistency going forward and refuse tickets to all future games with SPL clubs.
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as it stands its a one off.
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Why Duke?
I understand the reasoning behind the decision but surely it should apply across the board to all SPL clubs?
It's because they hate Dundee United more than they hate anyone else.
I think its a smokescreen
the fans dont want to go because they will get humped just like ICT did to them
Why Duke?
I understand the reasoning behind the decision but surely it should apply across the board to all SPL clubs?
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It should but it doesnt.
Our support want to watch our team.
So much as we would like to boycott all SPL clubs (other than Killie) we wont.
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic - GMS the only 5* skiller in the SPL (U5291)
posted 1 minute ago
It's because they hate Dundee United more than they hate anyone else.
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Yes some truth in that.
Getting Utd made the decision a reasonably easy one.
It should but it doesnt.
Our support want to watch our team.
So much as we would like to boycott all SPL clubs (other than Killie) we wont.
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Then there is no consistency in the decision making process.
All that has happened is you have singled out one club and that reflects poorly to be honest.
Dundee United never made the decision on their own it was a decision made by the SPL excluding killie.
If it is a one off then it appears to be a pretty frivolous decision to appease a small section of your support. If the decision was left to the fans I would think the majority would have attended the game.
Yes some truth in that.
Getting Utd made the decision a reasonably easy one.
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Some truth?
I think it's entirely the truth.
If you had drawn Motherwell (and yes, I know according to Chico they're you're bestest buddies in the whole wide world) or ICT or St Johnstone away from home this wouldn't have been an issue.
But because it's United, and you've held a grudge against us for years, you're taking out all your anger and getting your "revenge" as a result of this draw.
What makes it amusing is that your "revenge" won't hurt us in the slightest.
Chuman, this isn't about the decision to refuse Rangers readmittance, or at least that's only a small part of it.
It runs much deeper than that.
Then there is no consistency in the decision making process.
All that has happened is you have singled out one club and that reflects poorly to be honest.
Dundee United never made the decision on their own it was a decision made by the SPL excluding killie.
If it is a one off then it appears to be a pretty frivolous decision to appease a small section of your support. If the decision was left to the fans I would think the majority would have attended the game.
===
we are boycotting one game.
And the vast majority support this.
Our fans want to attend away games so we will after the boycott is out the way.
People (fans of other clubs) may view it as frivolous and thats up to them however as its got fek all to do with them I can easily ignore that.
What makes it amusing is that your "revenge" won't hurt us in the slightest
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Really don't know what Rangers stand to gain in this whole saga. Cup games are a bonus afterall. The only ones that will be affected by it are the Rangers team it's helping Dundee Utd.
Some truth?
I think it's entirely the truth.
If you had drawn Motherwell (and yes, I know according to Chico they're you're bestest buddies in the whole wide world) or ICT or St Johnstone away from home this wouldn't have been an issue.
But because it's United, and you've held a grudge against us for years, you're taking out all your anger and getting your "revenge" as a result of this draw.
What makes it amusing is that your "revenge" won't hurt us in the slightest.
--
So all is good then.
Your correct it would have been a much harder call to make had it be almost any other club.
So that worked in our favour and as you say has no impact on Utd
everyone is happy.
Wouldn't you like to go through to the quarter finals Duke? Surely going, and supporting your team is worth more? They will need it aswell. I'm sure they are dissapointed. As if the task wasn't hard enough
comment by rocknrollbhoy (U10410)
posted 4 seconds ago
Wouldn't you like to go through to the quarter finals Duke? Surely going, and supporting your team is worth more? They will need it aswell. I'm sure they are dissapointed. As if the task wasn't hard enough
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I would but this is more important.
Loads of teams go and play away games with 2 men and a dug supporting them.
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Duke, in all honesty mate I'm fairly happy with this in the context of the cup tie itself. It gives us a big advantage.
In the context of where we go from here, it worries me as I don't want another Rangers/Aberdeen situation happening where it escalates into total hatred. It's not why I go to the football. However it would seem that there are plenty among the Rangers support who are already there, and more and more in the United support who are starting to go down that road too.
That's not good for the game in any way, shape or form.
As for the move to retain the gate receipts, it has always struck me that it was a bit of a <tit-for-tat> move - if you're going to give it the big "up yours" to us, we'll give it the big "up yours" to you. However the reality is that I have no problem with you getting the money as it was never our money anyway.
I agree with you Ivan
Lets get this done and dusted.
One off boycott
Then lets get back to 'normal'
If the rangers fans wanted to boycott the game fair enough, but I don't really understand why Rangers refused to take the tickets thereby preventing fans from having a choice....
For me that was just Charles Green doing what he does best, manipulating the more gullible rangers fans into thinking he is the Messiah who will fight tooth and nail for them, in reality he's just fattening you up for the cull.
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posted on 7/12/12
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It was also a matter of great fanfare from journalists like Mr Dundee Utd, Jim Spence, that during the summer, after announcing that they would vote against Rangers continuation in the SPL, Dundee Utd season ticket sales showed a marked upturn. We were told that thousands of tickets were sold on the back of this decision. Again this paints a picture of a support that was boycotting their own club’s ticket sales until they got their own way.
I am not saying that Dundee Utd fans should not take a view on Rangers. If they are so consumed by hatred for my club that they would boycott their own unless they voted us out the SPL, then that is their decision. I can laugh at that decision; I can find it sad, I could even, if I cared enough, allow it to make me angry. However, there is an extraordinary level of hypocrisy involved in the statements now being made about this issue.
Elements of the press, as always, have not disappointed. Within an hour of Charles Green’s initial statement on the refusal to take tickets, people like Jim Delahunt were tweeting and writing about the possibility of the SFA withholding the gate receipts due to Rangers from the game. It would have taken a novel interpretation of the rules they were quoting for this to become a reality, but they didn’t let that stop them.
We also had a lot of comments questioning why Rangers should benefit from a match they were taking no fans to? Well I’m fine with that. If we want to go down the road of dividing all Scottish Cup gate receipts on the basis of the percentage of fans in attendance from each club then Rangers will not be the ones losing out. Dundee Utd have regularly brought less than 500 fans to Ibrox and expected the rules to be adhered to but now they want Rangers to forfeit the right to gate receipts because our fans have no wish to line the pockets of a club that actively campaigned against us? They deserve to be put over someone’s knee and spanked and that is precisely what Charles Green has done.
The SFA have no grounds to deny the gate receipts to Rangers and anyone who says otherwise is engaging in wishful thinking. Yesterday’s decision by the club to donate those proceeds to charity was a PR masterstroke. The club have long needed to improve this area of their operations and there will hopefully be good news on that front in the very near future. We need people engaged full time in these endeavours - not just working on retainer. We need to not only respond to negativity about the club but also start to promote a more positive view of the club and the fans. We also need to build bridges and start to rebuild the reputation of the club, which has certainly been damaged by the events of the past two years.
This however should not be confused with allowing people to walk all over us. We’ve taken our hits and there will be a period of settling scores before the necessary reconciliation, in Scotland at least, commences. There are plenty of clubs in Scottish football, including several in the SPL, who are very keen to establish better relations with our club. We don’t need to start with Dundee Utd and nor should we. Clubs need to realise that they got to poke the bear while it was asleep but we’ve woken up now and we’re understandably a bit grumpy.
The Arab Trust has a view on moving our game forward which is worth finishing on.
“In a time when Scottish football needs to look to the future and how we can rebuild our game, it's sad that some parties choose to refer to past alleged indiscretions”
I wholeheartedly agree so let’s start with this. Drop the title stripping tribunal and ask anyone who has made a public statement about Rangers cheating, financially doping or otherwise winning titles through dishonesty, to make a public apology. Then we can all move on and “look to the future”. No? You don’t want to? Well in that case take your medicine.
posted on 7/12/12
Chris Graham TRS.
posted on 7/12/12
inane drivel
posted on 7/12/12
Its a non issue for me, the rangers board are free to decide which games they accept tickets for.
However they should show some consistency going forward and refuse tickets to all future games with SPL clubs.
posted on 7/12/12
posted on 7/12/12
However they should show some consistency going forward and refuse tickets to all future games with SPL clubs.
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as it stands its a one off.
posted on 7/12/12
Chris Graham And what a level headed man he is eh.
Next
posted on 7/12/12
However they should show some consistency going forward and refuse tickets to all future games with SPL clubs.
==
as it stands its a one off.
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Why Duke?
I understand the reasoning behind the decision but surely it should apply across the board to all SPL clubs?
posted on 7/12/12
It's because they hate Dundee United more than they hate anyone else.
posted on 7/12/12
I think its a smokescreen
the fans dont want to go because they will get humped just like ICT did to them
posted on 7/12/12
Why Duke?
I understand the reasoning behind the decision but surely it should apply across the board to all SPL clubs?
===
It should but it doesnt.
Our support want to watch our team.
So much as we would like to boycott all SPL clubs (other than Killie) we wont.
posted on 7/12/12
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic - GMS the only 5* skiller in the SPL (U5291)
posted 1 minute ago
It's because they hate Dundee United more than they hate anyone else.
--
Yes some truth in that.
Getting Utd made the decision a reasonably easy one.
posted on 7/12/12
It should but it doesnt.
Our support want to watch our team.
So much as we would like to boycott all SPL clubs (other than Killie) we wont.
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Then there is no consistency in the decision making process.
All that has happened is you have singled out one club and that reflects poorly to be honest.
Dundee United never made the decision on their own it was a decision made by the SPL excluding killie.
If it is a one off then it appears to be a pretty frivolous decision to appease a small section of your support. If the decision was left to the fans I would think the majority would have attended the game.
posted on 7/12/12
Yes some truth in that.
Getting Utd made the decision a reasonably easy one.
__________________________________________
Some truth?
I think it's entirely the truth.
If you had drawn Motherwell (and yes, I know according to Chico they're you're bestest buddies in the whole wide world) or ICT or St Johnstone away from home this wouldn't have been an issue.
But because it's United, and you've held a grudge against us for years, you're taking out all your anger and getting your "revenge" as a result of this draw.
What makes it amusing is that your "revenge" won't hurt us in the slightest.
posted on 7/12/12
Chuman, this isn't about the decision to refuse Rangers readmittance, or at least that's only a small part of it.
It runs much deeper than that.
posted on 7/12/12
Then there is no consistency in the decision making process.
All that has happened is you have singled out one club and that reflects poorly to be honest.
Dundee United never made the decision on their own it was a decision made by the SPL excluding killie.
If it is a one off then it appears to be a pretty frivolous decision to appease a small section of your support. If the decision was left to the fans I would think the majority would have attended the game.
===
we are boycotting one game.
And the vast majority support this.
Our fans want to attend away games so we will after the boycott is out the way.
People (fans of other clubs) may view it as frivolous and thats up to them however as its got fek all to do with them I can easily ignore that.
posted on 7/12/12
What makes it amusing is that your "revenge" won't hurt us in the slightest
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Really don't know what Rangers stand to gain in this whole saga. Cup games are a bonus afterall. The only ones that will be affected by it are the Rangers team it's helping Dundee Utd.
posted on 7/12/12
Some truth?
I think it's entirely the truth.
If you had drawn Motherwell (and yes, I know according to Chico they're you're bestest buddies in the whole wide world) or ICT or St Johnstone away from home this wouldn't have been an issue.
But because it's United, and you've held a grudge against us for years, you're taking out all your anger and getting your "revenge" as a result of this draw.
What makes it amusing is that your "revenge" won't hurt us in the slightest.
--
So all is good then.
Your correct it would have been a much harder call to make had it be almost any other club.
So that worked in our favour and as you say has no impact on Utd
everyone is happy.
posted on 7/12/12
Five
posted on 7/12/12
Wouldn't you like to go through to the quarter finals Duke? Surely going, and supporting your team is worth more? They will need it aswell. I'm sure they are dissapointed. As if the task wasn't hard enough
posted on 7/12/12
comment by rocknrollbhoy (U10410)
posted 4 seconds ago
Wouldn't you like to go through to the quarter finals Duke? Surely going, and supporting your team is worth more? They will need it aswell. I'm sure they are dissapointed. As if the task wasn't hard enough
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I would but this is more important.
Loads of teams go and play away games with 2 men and a dug supporting them.
posted on 7/12/12
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posted on 7/12/12
Duke, in all honesty mate I'm fairly happy with this in the context of the cup tie itself. It gives us a big advantage.
In the context of where we go from here, it worries me as I don't want another Rangers/Aberdeen situation happening where it escalates into total hatred. It's not why I go to the football. However it would seem that there are plenty among the Rangers support who are already there, and more and more in the United support who are starting to go down that road too.
That's not good for the game in any way, shape or form.
As for the move to retain the gate receipts, it has always struck me that it was a bit of a <tit-for-tat> move - if you're going to give it the big "up yours" to us, we'll give it the big "up yours" to you. However the reality is that I have no problem with you getting the money as it was never our money anyway.
posted on 7/12/12
I agree with you Ivan
Lets get this done and dusted.
One off boycott
Then lets get back to 'normal'
posted on 7/12/12
If the rangers fans wanted to boycott the game fair enough, but I don't really understand why Rangers refused to take the tickets thereby preventing fans from having a choice....
For me that was just Charles Green doing what he does best, manipulating the more gullible rangers fans into thinking he is the Messiah who will fight tooth and nail for them, in reality he's just fattening you up for the cull.
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