and muller scored 85 in less games and no penalties
The greatest player ever in my opinion
==
very probably, quite amazing player.
still he is a wee phannie though, so you cant have everything.
Just bagged his second.
It's impossible to compare players between eras.
86 goals for Messi now. 2 great goals tonight (so far).
Hope he scored 7 just to annoy Falcao
Brilliant - no doubt
Greatest - no
The best players perform at every club. He needs to do it elsewhere. He has scored a phenomenal amount if goals but he has world class players around him as well to get him the ball.
So you're saying it is impossible for the best player in the World to be dedicated to one club?
that sounds a bit nonsensical to me gary
the best players have also won world cups
Yes as far as I am concerned some players suit a certain club and its style.
Just my opinion.
Not on the same level but Heskey was unplayable when he was at Leicester but looks a complete donkey everywhere else.
He has never won the World Cup or Euro Championships
The standard of football at a WC is, at times, diabolical. CL is a much better competition of a higher standard and I will never judge footballers based on their performances for their national team.
I don't like Messi too much, however, this achievement is just incredible.
Messi is useless if we was so good was didn't he win at Euro 2012
People can use different justifications for what makes someone the best player ever, like stats, titles and awards, but for me it just comes down to his unbeliveable ability on the pitch.
And week in week out he does things that no player has ever been able to consistantly do.
I think a lot of people are starting to take what he does for granted, he barley gets credit for a hatrick now, or beating 3 - 4 men and dinking it over the keepercoz it's now expected of him.
I think he's the greatest off all time and that it's not even that close...
you can't fault players for not winning certain tournaments. Its a team game, not an individual sport. If you are surrounded by substandard players theres not much you can do about it. so saying he cant be considered one of the best coz he hasnt won the wc is redundant
And regarding the World Cup- in theory does that mean the country in which you were born could preclude you from being considered as the best ever?
Yes, Messi is from Argentina which is a massive country and is usually well equipped to compete at a World Cup.
However, what if there was this amazing player from Wales that was winning everything with his club. But in reality he's never going to win the World Cup, is he?
comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 42 seconds ago
you can't fault players for not winning certain tournaments. Its a team game, not an individual sport. If you are surrounded by substandard players theres not much you can do about it. so saying he cant be considered one of the best coz he hasnt won the wc is redundant
maradona did it twice at the world cup and with napoli
Henrik
I only threw in WC to get a few bites on my Euro Championship comments
Some players will never make the latter stages of the WC due to their country - Dalglish whereas other will single handedly drag their country to victory - Maradonna
So? Whats that got to do with the point I made?
comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 1 second ago
So? Whats that got to do with the point I made?
you said If you are surrounded by substandard players theres not much you can do about it
and maradona had average players around him and yet won many trophies with napoli and also with his country
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posted on 9/12/12
maradona is the greatest
posted on 9/12/12
and muller scored 85 in less games and no penalties
posted on 9/12/12
The greatest player ever in my opinion
==
very probably, quite amazing player.
still he is a wee phannie though, so you cant have everything.
posted on 9/12/12
Just bagged his second.
It's impossible to compare players between eras.
posted on 9/12/12
he's done it
posted on 9/12/12
86 goals for Messi now. 2 great goals tonight (so far).
posted on 9/12/12
Hope he scored 7 just to annoy Falcao
posted on 9/12/12
Brilliant - no doubt
Greatest - no
The best players perform at every club. He needs to do it elsewhere. He has scored a phenomenal amount if goals but he has world class players around him as well to get him the ball.
posted on 9/12/12
So you're saying it is impossible for the best player in the World to be dedicated to one club?
posted on 9/12/12
that sounds a bit nonsensical to me gary
posted on 9/12/12
the best players have also won world cups
posted on 9/12/12
Yes as far as I am concerned some players suit a certain club and its style.
Just my opinion.
Not on the same level but Heskey was unplayable when he was at Leicester but looks a complete donkey everywhere else.
posted on 9/12/12
He has never won the World Cup or Euro Championships
posted on 9/12/12
Euro Championships
posted on 9/12/12
The standard of football at a WC is, at times, diabolical. CL is a much better competition of a higher standard and I will never judge footballers based on their performances for their national team.
I don't like Messi too much, however, this achievement is just incredible.
posted on 9/12/12
He's Argentinian.
posted on 9/12/12
Messi is useless if we was so good was didn't he win at Euro 2012
posted on 9/12/12
People can use different justifications for what makes someone the best player ever, like stats, titles and awards, but for me it just comes down to his unbeliveable ability on the pitch.
And week in week out he does things that no player has ever been able to consistantly do.
I think a lot of people are starting to take what he does for granted, he barley gets credit for a hatrick now, or beating 3 - 4 men and dinking it over the keepercoz it's now expected of him.
I think he's the greatest off all time and that it's not even that close...
posted on 9/12/12
Two
posted on 9/12/12
you can't fault players for not winning certain tournaments. Its a team game, not an individual sport. If you are surrounded by substandard players theres not much you can do about it. so saying he cant be considered one of the best coz he hasnt won the wc is redundant
posted on 9/12/12
And regarding the World Cup- in theory does that mean the country in which you were born could preclude you from being considered as the best ever?
Yes, Messi is from Argentina which is a massive country and is usually well equipped to compete at a World Cup.
However, what if there was this amazing player from Wales that was winning everything with his club. But in reality he's never going to win the World Cup, is he?
posted on 9/12/12
comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 42 seconds ago
you can't fault players for not winning certain tournaments. Its a team game, not an individual sport. If you are surrounded by substandard players theres not much you can do about it. so saying he cant be considered one of the best coz he hasnt won the wc is redundant
maradona did it twice at the world cup and with napoli
posted on 9/12/12
Henrik
I only threw in WC to get a few bites on my Euro Championship comments
Some players will never make the latter stages of the WC due to their country - Dalglish whereas other will single handedly drag their country to victory - Maradonna
posted on 9/12/12
So? Whats that got to do with the point I made?
posted on 9/12/12
comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 1 second ago
So? Whats that got to do with the point I made?
you said If you are surrounded by substandard players theres not much you can do about it
and maradona had average players around him and yet won many trophies with napoli and also with his country
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