Its funny how people were moaning about having the Euros in Ukraine because of all the racism over there, and since then England has proved itself to be just as bad .. So many fans arrested for monkey impressions and stuff.
Anyone got a spare tin hat?
Got a tin cup...can ya spare a dime?
how ridiculous this idea to give foreign players lessons in culture is when the big English clubs (Liverpool and Chelsea) act like racism is a trivial matter when their star players are involved in it.
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Boll icks
Are you one of those people who thought that wearing a t-shirt with Luis Suarez on front was basically a show of support for racism.
Perhaps the clubs in question didn't believe the players were racist.
Suarez hasn't been proven to be either - even the FA say that
The problem is that the governing bodies don't like to think of homegrown players as racist - which is odd because their differential treatment is more of an insult to the game than the crimes of which they highlight
Chelsea and Liverpool have really let us down with this...
Metro, the fact was that at that stage no one knew if he was guilty or not. The wearing of the t shirts was ill judged at best, it was basically defiance towards the FA who were trying to judge a player's innocence from a neutral perspective. I'm sure this would be true of almost any club, but Liverpool prioritised supporting their star striker ahead of supporting the sorting out of an accusation of racism.
comment by Sherlock (U12380)
posted 2 minutes ago
Metro, the fact was that at that stage no one knew if he was guilty or not. The wearing of the t shirts was ill judged at best, it was basically defiance towards the FA who were trying to judge a player's innocence from a neutral perspective. I'm sure this would be true of almost any club, but Liverpool prioritised supporting their star striker ahead of supporting the sorting out of an accusation of racism.
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Exactly.
As a United fan, I don't for one second think that John Terry or Luis Suarez are racists. Racism certainly isn't a trivial matter - especially in it's more violent forms - but treating Terry like he is the Grand Wizard of the KKK because he allegedly called someone a 'black c*nt' is a bit over-sensitive and ridiculous for my liking.
Racism would be less of an issue if the Government were more willing to discuss it, but there's too much fear that by discussing it they might upset or insult somebody so they do nothing.
HOWEVER, this is a football forum and surely such issues are better left discussed elsewhere rather than being used as cheap ways to wind up rival fans?
comment by Feed The Scousers... (U16838)
posted 9 minutes ago
As a United fan, I don't for one second think that John Terry or Luis Suarez are racists. Racism certainly isn't a trivial matter - especially in it's more violent forms - but treating Terry like he is the Grand Wizard of the KKK because he allegedly called someone a 'black c*nt' is a bit over-sensitive and ridiculous for my liking.
Racism would be less of an issue if the Government were more willing to discuss it, but there's too much fear that by discussing it they might upset or insult somebody so they do nothing.
HOWEVER, this is a football forum and surely such issues are better left discussed elsewhere rather than being used as cheap ways to wind up rival fans?
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Well said that man.
Though this current government have been willing to discuss it, but have been rebuffed by outcries of racism by Millipeede and his lefties
I said it before and will say it again, I took some young people from BME communities to and england U21 match as part of the KROF campaign
They had to be escorted out as they got pure abuse from the england fans.
watch the video that was made of the day and it was all roses
money talks end of
Imagine a manager taking off his team from the field of play if some of his players are being abused?
When erickson was in charge and it happened at an england match, this would have been the right thing to do NOT complain about it afterwards
I also blame the black players who say it goes on in the changing rooms when another player is angry etc. so what if he is angry? punch a wall or something
Problem is most fans will defend their players no matter what, look at the diving issue.
I have even seen on here reasonable posters commenting on things and I have winced. One guy posted his views on Islam using Sam Shamoun. Now if you feel a certain way fair enough and only communication can overcome some of these things. But this is like finding out about black people from the KKK
Liverpool only wore Suarez T-shirts as Dalglish was informed that the hoods he'd ordered hadn't turned up
Racism would be less of an issue if the Government were more willing to discuss it, but there's too much fear that by discussing it they might upset or insult somebody so they do nothing.
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Given that our (successive) governments - irrespective of which party is in charge - adopt frankly anti-muslim policies at will, and engage fully in the criminalisation of black life, it would be impossible for any politician within the main parties to actually be taken seriously. That's not to say that all politicians are racists or anything like that at all, ut without me writing a 10000 word essay on it, im sure you get my point.
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Though this current government have been willing to discuss it, but have been rebuffed by outcries of racism by Millipeede and his lefties
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The idea that Labour actually represent the political 'left' in this country i nothing more than a fairytale-esque illusion.
The only left wing talking about in England today is Arsenal's, where Gervinho is doing a fantastic job.
The idea that Labour actually represent the political 'left' in this country i nothing more than a fairytale-esque illusion.
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Of couse it is.
Nothing left at all about their views and policies. All in the imagination of everybody else.
The idea that Labour actually represent the political 'left' in this country i nothing more than a fairytale-esque illusion.
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I agree with this. And the idea that Tories are right wing is also a fairytale. They are both exactly the same, trying to do the exact same thing, just hid behind a different a name.
All in the imagination of everybody else.
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I get that you're being sarcastic but your statement isn't far from accurate by any means, actually.
At best you could say they are left of centre on a corporate/state capitalist spectrum. In the real world, not so.
The reason we have gay marriage etc as such a hot topic is because when it comes to actual policies there is no difference in the main stream parties
The bottom line is that after John major (and the 4 before him) the education system etc in this country was changed to ensure no working class done good type would ever get into position of PM
Its all the Eton lot from now on
I agree with this. And the idea that Tories are right wing is also a fairytale. They are both exactly the same, trying to do the exact same thing, just hid behind a different a name.
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They're not the 'exact' same, but very similar. They are both slightly differing factions of a business party (corporations, financial institutions, Military Industrial Complex etc...). Gov policy is designed in their interests (they fund political parties, afterall).
But yes, in the main they are the same - war mongering, terror supporting, arms dealing, climate issues, economic issues.... basically all the most important ones are the same.
The Tories are certainly 'right' though. Comfortably to the right.
They are both exactly the same, trying to do the exact same thing, just hid behind a different a name.
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That is just lazy Kag.
There are just too many differences betwen Labour and the Tories to list.
The major one being the Tories are not in the pockets of the Trade Unions.
I also don't think the Tories have a policy of creating Govt sponsored jobs and borrowing massive ammounts of money to pay for them, thus nearly bankrupting the country.
But that is enough on politics.
bk11
Yes. They are not as left (mostly) as they were.
But after the first term of Blair / Brown where they were as Tory as they could get, they gradually slipped back more towards old Labour.
Oh, I'm well aware there are differences. But on a general scale, essentially I think they are trying to do the same thing. Tories are cutting expenditure, Labour complain. Yet, Labour would be doing the exact same thing, just not at the same speed. But all in all, they would still be cutting spending at a fast rate, because they have to.
There are about 5-10 Labour MPs that still hold traditional values of what Labour used to be in the 60's/70's. Not that I agree with them. But at the same time there is a lot of disillusioned Tory back-benchers that see Cameron and his mob as a carbon copy of Tony Blair.
I know they disagree on unions, education and elements of healthcare but when it comes to the major decisions, I think they're all the same, other than back-benchers that are whipped into silence.
I think the left and right, on a cabinet level, have kind of merged into the centre and all try to appease as many people as they can. I watch Question Time and it's a joke. Just the same people on every week that aren't going to say something controversial and that toe party line.
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posted on 12/12/12
Here we go again
posted on 12/12/12
Its funny how people were moaning about having the Euros in Ukraine because of all the racism over there, and since then England has proved itself to be just as bad .. So many fans arrested for monkey impressions and stuff.
posted on 12/12/12
Anyone got a spare tin hat?
posted on 12/12/12
Got a tin cup...can ya spare a dime?
posted on 12/12/12
how ridiculous this idea to give foreign players lessons in culture is when the big English clubs (Liverpool and Chelsea) act like racism is a trivial matter when their star players are involved in it.
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Boll icks
Are you one of those people who thought that wearing a t-shirt with Luis Suarez on front was basically a show of support for racism.
Perhaps the clubs in question didn't believe the players were racist.
Suarez hasn't been proven to be either - even the FA say that
posted on 12/12/12
FFS, here we go again
posted on 12/12/12
The problem is that the governing bodies don't like to think of homegrown players as racist - which is odd because their differential treatment is more of an insult to the game than the crimes of which they highlight
posted on 12/12/12
Chelsea and Liverpool have really let us down with this...
posted on 12/12/12
Metro, the fact was that at that stage no one knew if he was guilty or not. The wearing of the t shirts was ill judged at best, it was basically defiance towards the FA who were trying to judge a player's innocence from a neutral perspective. I'm sure this would be true of almost any club, but Liverpool prioritised supporting their star striker ahead of supporting the sorting out of an accusation of racism.
posted on 12/12/12
comment by Sherlock (U12380)
posted 2 minutes ago
Metro, the fact was that at that stage no one knew if he was guilty or not. The wearing of the t shirts was ill judged at best, it was basically defiance towards the FA who were trying to judge a player's innocence from a neutral perspective. I'm sure this would be true of almost any club, but Liverpool prioritised supporting their star striker ahead of supporting the sorting out of an accusation of racism.
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Exactly.
posted on 12/12/12
As a United fan, I don't for one second think that John Terry or Luis Suarez are racists. Racism certainly isn't a trivial matter - especially in it's more violent forms - but treating Terry like he is the Grand Wizard of the KKK because he allegedly called someone a 'black c*nt' is a bit over-sensitive and ridiculous for my liking.
Racism would be less of an issue if the Government were more willing to discuss it, but there's too much fear that by discussing it they might upset or insult somebody so they do nothing.
HOWEVER, this is a football forum and surely such issues are better left discussed elsewhere rather than being used as cheap ways to wind up rival fans?
posted on 12/12/12
comment by Feed The Scousers... (U16838)
posted 9 minutes ago
As a United fan, I don't for one second think that John Terry or Luis Suarez are racists. Racism certainly isn't a trivial matter - especially in it's more violent forms - but treating Terry like he is the Grand Wizard of the KKK because he allegedly called someone a 'black c*nt' is a bit over-sensitive and ridiculous for my liking.
Racism would be less of an issue if the Government were more willing to discuss it, but there's too much fear that by discussing it they might upset or insult somebody so they do nothing.
HOWEVER, this is a football forum and surely such issues are better left discussed elsewhere rather than being used as cheap ways to wind up rival fans?
.................
Well said that man.
Though this current government have been willing to discuss it, but have been rebuffed by outcries of racism by Millipeede and his lefties
posted on 12/12/12
I said it before and will say it again, I took some young people from BME communities to and england U21 match as part of the KROF campaign
They had to be escorted out as they got pure abuse from the england fans.
watch the video that was made of the day and it was all roses
money talks end of
Imagine a manager taking off his team from the field of play if some of his players are being abused?
When erickson was in charge and it happened at an england match, this would have been the right thing to do NOT complain about it afterwards
I also blame the black players who say it goes on in the changing rooms when another player is angry etc. so what if he is angry? punch a wall or something
Problem is most fans will defend their players no matter what, look at the diving issue.
I have even seen on here reasonable posters commenting on things and I have winced. One guy posted his views on Islam using Sam Shamoun. Now if you feel a certain way fair enough and only communication can overcome some of these things. But this is like finding out about black people from the KKK
posted on 12/12/12
Liverpool only wore Suarez T-shirts as Dalglish was informed that the hoods he'd ordered hadn't turned up
posted on 12/12/12
I just farted
posted on 12/12/12
Racism would be less of an issue if the Government were more willing to discuss it, but there's too much fear that by discussing it they might upset or insult somebody so they do nothing.
---------------------------------------------
Given that our (successive) governments - irrespective of which party is in charge - adopt frankly anti-muslim policies at will, and engage fully in the criminalisation of black life, it would be impossible for any politician within the main parties to actually be taken seriously. That's not to say that all politicians are racists or anything like that at all, ut without me writing a 10000 word essay on it, im sure you get my point.
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Though this current government have been willing to discuss it, but have been rebuffed by outcries of racism by Millipeede and his lefties
-------------------------------------------
The idea that Labour actually represent the political 'left' in this country i nothing more than a fairytale-esque illusion.
posted on 12/12/12
The only left wing talking about in England today is Arsenal's, where Gervinho is doing a fantastic job.
posted on 12/12/12
The idea that Labour actually represent the political 'left' in this country i nothing more than a fairytale-esque illusion.
...................................
Of couse it is.
Nothing left at all about their views and policies. All in the imagination of everybody else.
posted on 12/12/12
The idea that Labour actually represent the political 'left' in this country i nothing more than a fairytale-esque illusion.
---------
I agree with this. And the idea that Tories are right wing is also a fairytale. They are both exactly the same, trying to do the exact same thing, just hid behind a different a name.
posted on 12/12/12
All in the imagination of everybody else.
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I get that you're being sarcastic but your statement isn't far from accurate by any means, actually.
At best you could say they are left of centre on a corporate/state capitalist spectrum. In the real world, not so.
posted on 12/12/12
The reason we have gay marriage etc as such a hot topic is because when it comes to actual policies there is no difference in the main stream parties
The bottom line is that after John major (and the 4 before him) the education system etc in this country was changed to ensure no working class done good type would ever get into position of PM
Its all the Eton lot from now on
posted on 12/12/12
I agree with this. And the idea that Tories are right wing is also a fairytale. They are both exactly the same, trying to do the exact same thing, just hid behind a different a name.
-----------------------------------------
They're not the 'exact' same, but very similar. They are both slightly differing factions of a business party (corporations, financial institutions, Military Industrial Complex etc...). Gov policy is designed in their interests (they fund political parties, afterall).
But yes, in the main they are the same - war mongering, terror supporting, arms dealing, climate issues, economic issues.... basically all the most important ones are the same.
The Tories are certainly 'right' though. Comfortably to the right.
posted on 12/12/12
They are both exactly the same, trying to do the exact same thing, just hid behind a different a name.
......................
That is just lazy Kag.
There are just too many differences betwen Labour and the Tories to list.
The major one being the Tories are not in the pockets of the Trade Unions.
I also don't think the Tories have a policy of creating Govt sponsored jobs and borrowing massive ammounts of money to pay for them, thus nearly bankrupting the country.
But that is enough on politics.
posted on 12/12/12
bk11
Yes. They are not as left (mostly) as they were.
But after the first term of Blair / Brown where they were as Tory as they could get, they gradually slipped back more towards old Labour.
posted on 12/12/12
Oh, I'm well aware there are differences. But on a general scale, essentially I think they are trying to do the same thing. Tories are cutting expenditure, Labour complain. Yet, Labour would be doing the exact same thing, just not at the same speed. But all in all, they would still be cutting spending at a fast rate, because they have to.
There are about 5-10 Labour MPs that still hold traditional values of what Labour used to be in the 60's/70's. Not that I agree with them. But at the same time there is a lot of disillusioned Tory back-benchers that see Cameron and his mob as a carbon copy of Tony Blair.
I know they disagree on unions, education and elements of healthcare but when it comes to the major decisions, I think they're all the same, other than back-benchers that are whipped into silence.
I think the left and right, on a cabinet level, have kind of merged into the centre and all try to appease as many people as they can. I watch Question Time and it's a joke. Just the same people on every week that aren't going to say something controversial and that toe party line.
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