Still a mistake though. Simples.

Only time will tell Stillhate. One thing is true though, he was right when he said we need to get the ball to the forwards quicker. Teams know that we have very little pace and thus can afford to push up on us, how many chances have been created against us by the opposition full backs, they can attack happy in the knowledge that when we win the ball back our style of play gives them plenty of time to get back. If we can get some genuine pace in the team this will give them something to think about thus also relieving pressure on the defence as well.

Spot on

Why people can't see what's in front of their eyes I don't know. It was obvious SOD was never their man, it was obvious the talk of 3/5 years to get up was ludicrous.

3/5 managers, more like.

Is that meant to excuse it though, Sutton? That he was never their man? Doesn't that make it even worse that they took him in the first place?

Excuse what? Managers get sacked.

I agree it was a bad appointment. They were trying to hard to be popular and give the fans what they wanted. It's backfired on them. The truth is SOD was never the man to do what they really wanted.

But I think we should look at this realistically. After walking out on Crawley and jumping in his good mates grave can SOD moan about how he was treated? I don't think so. Managers live and die by the sword, it's a cut throat buisness and they all play by the same rules.

Were we lied to? Possibly. But we're lied to everyday by people in authority, the media, politicians, football managers, whoever. But we all know this, we know you have to look at the facts and the information we have and form our own conclusions. It was never going to be the way some wanted.

Why not just tell the truth? Because it looks bad. It's politics, you have to play the game.

I do accept what you're saying here Sutton but I don't necessarily agree that appointing SOD was a bad decision. We'll never know what would have happened if he hadn't been sacked. I really think he would have got us into the play offs. But the original article is definitely spot on. The 3-5 year plan was about becoming an established Prem club which is an extremely ambitious and possibly unrealistic plan. 3 years to get out of this division seems more sensible but maybe their finances require them to have Prem football sooner.

It was a bad move to appoint SOD in that it wasn't want they wanted to do. And because of that he was dead man walking almost from day one.

I also think some need to look at him properly. He has a reputation with some in football that his achievements don't come close to matching. Former Donny and Crawley boss. Over a decade in the lower leagues and a bigger club never took him. We should look a bit closer at the man and not the myth.

12 month rolling contract, shows they really have a lot of faith in the new man

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What now? When they came in with all of their iconic talk, and Forest fans were speculating who they wanted to be the new manager, O'Driscoll's name never came up. He was never the people's choice, or remotely near it.

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I love how Derby fans know more about our club than we do. The reaction to SOD getting was almost overwhelmingly positive. It was easily the best and most positive reaction to an appointment for a long time. A lot more positive than if we'd have appointed any of the other names we were linked with. At the time it was a PR master stroke. Back fired a bit in the end. But there you go. That's how it is, sorry to brake it to you.

Not many said SOD because he'd just left the club and had a new job he'd only been in a month.

On the roof, to be honest I think a 12 month rolling contract is a good idea, it saves a fortune in wages if you do need to get rid. Look at Newcastle, they gave Pardew an eight year contract, I don't know how much he's on but if they get relegated and wanted to get rid it would cost a fortune.

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You're missing my point I think. I said that O'Driscoll wasn't someone who Forest fans were clamouring for when the new owners came in, so appointing him wasn't "giving the fans what they wanted". Sure, many put a positive spin on it when he was in post, same as some are trying to do the same now McLeish has been put in charge. As with O'Driscoll though, McLeish was NOWHERE NEAR any Forest fan's wishlist for the new boss.

To be accurate, the owners aren't giving the fans what they want, or working to any sort of plan, they are doing a little Jack Horner, sticking their thumbs into the Christmas pie of unemployed managers, and pulling out a prize turkey.

It was decision that was made knowing the fans and players would be happy with it. He was very popular after being credited by many with keeping us up. And a manager with a reputation for playing the "forest way"

No we weren't clamouring for him. But they knew it would be popular. I've never seen a reaction as positive on twitter to anything I don't think. Not the takeover or a player signing. I was a bit shocked to be honest. But that's how it was.

As I say good PR.

Has Mcleish also got a reputation for playing the "Forest way"? Or maybe they no longer care what the fans think. Compared to Forest's fans' reaction to McLeish, Chelsea fans were rolling out the red carpet and killing their fattest calf when they got Benitez.

To be honest, I think O'Driscoll would be more suited to Derby's situation than Forest's at the moment based on his track record, but to swap him for McLeish just seems crazy panic. Fair enough, if they had 'Arry or O'Neill lined up, but McLeish?????

As you say you'll find few forest fans with anything good to say about the McLeish appointment. I wasn't as big a SOD as some but I wouldn't have done this.

Saying that AMs record is good at this level. He has won promotion before. Time will tell. It's gamble he's on a short deal if it doesn't work out. It's far from ideal but it could be worse.

Oh, don't be too hard on yourself, Sutton. You are as big a SOD as any, and I'll fight any man who says otherwise.

You do spout some rubbish at times vidal. McLeish was not a popular choice but to say it was worse than Chelsea's reaction to Benitez is ridiculous. But maybe that was an attempt at a wind up.

Anyway, the appt of SOD was a popular choice and a good PR move. But he certainly wasnt first choice. I doubt MCLeish was first choice this time round either. At least we have options though. Derby are stuck with Clough aren't they (be that good or bad)?

I hold my hands up, Caniggia, I have been guilty of mild hyperbole. Strike me down, Lord.

I notice you are not disagreeing that Sutton is a SOD, though.

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Probably best if you don't get in to any fights Vidal you come across as a bit of a soft lad.

Thanks for the advice Sutton, I wasn't planning on getting into any fights anyway, soft as I am, plus it's so futile, violence, isn't it? Your sage words will reinforce my attempts to live my life peacably.