Billy Davies was a genius compared to every other mug we've had here in the last decade.

And HE was a loathsome toad who did for Forest's benefactor with plenty of help from appreciative fans

and that is putting it nicely

I'd have Billy back in a heartbeat. He's a much better man motivator than AM. When he was at Forest, the City Ground was a fortress.

I don't care if he was a thorn in the side of the owner, he was only telling the truth, as we all found out....twice.

I would even go so far as to say that anyone who thinks AM is better than King Billy is a TOTAL FOOL!

I don't think AMcCL is better than Billy. But SOD was certainly better than AMcCL

Agreed.

AM is proving to be as utterly garbage as many of us predicted when we heard he was coming, only some fans now inexplicably say he is the right man. I think it's because they don't want to own up to the fact that own our owners have dropped a complete clanger in the last month. much less chance of the playoffs now than we did on boxing day. under SOD we were inconsistent. Under AM we've been consistently dire.

Really, just chill a little. This is not AMs team. Would you really know the inside outs of the team after four games? It was only after the last game, some of you were saying we tighten our defence etc. We are (again) in transition with some of AMs buys, yet to fit in. Watford read always going to be tough. What do some of you want NOW? Let AM at least bed in with new payers

Oops, pressed enter on my mobile, too soon....anyway to resume...

...with new °players and use his experience.
Bad day at the office and alot more learning to do with the new players.

Its gonna a little timetime.

Fickles, take a deep breath and have a spill.

If you think AM is going to take us to the promised land, your delusional.

When Billy came there was an instant improvement. SOD did ok with the time he had, considering the team was obliterated at the end of last season (getting sacked 1pt off playoffs).

This joker has had the best quality squad that forest have had for a while....yet he is making a right mess of it. Yes we have defensive problems and need a couple of quality defenders, but we shouldn't be losing 3–0 at home.

I'm not putting 100% of the blame on AM for the position that we seem to be now in. Some of it most go to the owner for stupidly sacking the previous manager making steady progress mid season.....then appointing a guy virtually 99% of the fans didn't want.

It's very much a mental thing....but AM is mental...in the wrong way.

1. " If you think AM is going to take us to the promised land, your delusional.

2. When Billy came there was an instant improvement."

Gandy:

1. Delusional? Are you psychic, do you know the future?
I think we need to stick with what we have. Give the man a chance and bring his new players in...jeez.

2. Not quite. It was touch and go, all the way. Not instant at all. We gave BD a chance even though we had a very slow start the following season, after we bought 7 new players. AM is almost where BD was then but in a better position. Give it time, son. Otherwise, what do you suggest, another sacking?

Chill.

Original Reds. One thing I definitely can't be accused of is fickleness - I've been against AM from the start and can't see him changing my mind, even though I hope he will. You say give him time to bed in, but the owners bought him for immediate improvement. As misguided as that may be, all we've done is go downhill since he came in. A win against a poor Peterborough, and a draw against a Derby team that we should have easily beaten on the day, and people were saying he was turning it around. He wasn't. How many games has he had now? A month is long enough to have at least started to make an impact, but he's actually taken us backwards.

Still, my comment wasn't aimed at you but in general. I work as a consultant to make many business' better. I, need at least (allow myself) a month to get a picture of what I need to do/how things work. As a minimum. If at that point, early, I was allowed to make changes...excellent. Otherwise, go with the punches. 4 games/month isn't anywhere near along enough for anything, in the real World. Do you expect to know everything about your new job in your few weeks there?

Original Reds

To back up my argument about King Billy making a good start, id like to state a FACT.

We won 3 games on the trot after came to us. To me that's what i call instant....no excuses....just Billy having the ability to get the most out of the players that were already there.

Personally i would have liked to see Harry Redknapp at the City Ground, but that was never really going to happen.

We won 3 games on the trot after Cotterill came in Gandy ... so would you want him back?

One thing I don't understand is AM's handling and almost nonchalant dismissal of Lee Camp. I thought Camp would get into most Championship sides. Could AM have handled it better or has Camp created problems? What's gone on there?

Camp wasn't going to sign a new contract, so AM got rid. His form had been too inconsistent for too long as well, probably because he wanted to leave to play in thePrem.

I hear ya Hoons....but did Cotterill ever go on a 18-match unbeaten run including 10 wins, 5 of which came successively???

Billy did.

OR - In some ways I agree with you, it takes time to get used to a new job, sure. But in football, it's slightly different - there are many many examples of managers coming in and making pretty rapid improvements. If we'd stayed the same under AM, I wouldn't mind so much, but we have got worse. Surely nobody should come into a job and make things worse for a month, that's not how it works. You get bought into a job because you are at least competent enough to keep things running smoothly.
The main problem is not really AM's though, it's the owners. They made a very very misguided step with SOD's sacking and replacement - unless they had someone of real quality ready to replace SOD, then any manager swap at that stage was probably gonna be a mistake.