You keep telling yourself that, Vidals, if it helps alleviate your shame at manipulating that feeble-minded fkwit into performing for your amusement
Your not married then Mutton
because we remember how it used it be. We remember terracing and comradery, we remember that tribal feeling, we remember singing until our throats hurt, we remember players with sweat-dripping and steam-rising off their exhausted bodies after giving their all in the name of the team, we remember not having to sacrifice eating to be able to afford to go to the match, we remember when trying to win was paramount and playing for a draw or narrow defeat was unacceptable! We remember when it was part of the rules that a team MUST try and win the league, we remember feeling that football was for us and we were part of it. We remember that live football was only on TV once a week, Sunday lunchtimes and if you wanted to watch it, get off your backside and go to the ground. We remember innocence of footballers who saw the professional game as something they were lucky to be part of not like nowadays where footballers think they are owed it. We remember having pride in the team. We remember 'cult heroes' who stayed at a club for more than a couple of years. We remember thinking that players truly care and owners want to win trophies.
we want that all back
Does anyone honestly believe that these ogliarchs, sheiks and friends of oriental ruling dynasties are in this for altruistic reasons? Are you stupid?
That's not to say that all of them expect any returns or even to claw back everything they've put in neccesarily, but what do people honestly think will be the future for these clubs post-sugardaddy? Will someone else come in and agree to cover multimillion pound annual losses to make themselves feel good? Will they fk.
The model at the top end is entirely unsustainable and it WILL come crashing down when the English league is no longer en vogue.
It's easy to maintain low ticket prices when fan's money is irrelevant because your owner has billions to spend. As for the league being more competitive, it's actually a race between two billionaires and the biggest club in the world - hardly an open league.
"You keep telling yourself that, Vidals, if it helps alleviate your shame at manipulating that feeble-minded fkwit into performing for your amusement"
I feel no shame, 666. I believe that you ENJOY performing.
A-hahahahahahahaaaa!!
"I know YOU are, but what am I?!!"
Anyway, I'd love for you to respond in kind but INJECTION ALL MY LIFE! now you're not allowed to
Mostyn
We still have a lot of that. I'm not saying the games perfect. I moan like hell if we have an early kick off. But at the same time I love going down the pub and watching world class players play the game to a great standard on a Sunday.
I'd like Forest to be able to win things to that's really only happened once under a total one off. I'd like a more level playing field. But the point of football clubs is we're all different, we have our levels of support we're from richer or poorer areas of the country. Because of that whatever happens some clubs will be better off than others. You can't change that and I wouldn't want too.
You can't turn back time. You have to take the rough with the smooth. Yes there are things I'd change, there are things I'd have back and things I wouldn't. But on the whole I don't think things are to bad.
I remember when live football was once a season - the FA Cup final.
^
Absolutely OOE. On not one but TWO channels.
I can remember the muckabout game beforehand where Daley Thompson and Rod Stewart would play on a shortened pitch and the cameras would follow the coach for hours prior to kick off.
Oh the magic.
...and nowadays you have the likes of Portsmouth "winning" it
Mind, they also won it when Eddie was watching, in 1939
Mos, I think there's has always been a dark side to the beautiful game: corruption, professionalism, (Leeds), players discarded after injuries, hooligans. Reminds me of that old quote about the two hard men full-backs at Barnsley who used to say in earshot of the oppo forward:
'When tha's finished with him, pass him oe'r to me.'
It never changes. Some things get better, some worse. I remember Clare Balding had a radio programme about sport in the UK and how northern sides turned professional to give them the edge over amateur sides. Her cynical rejoinder was that football had only itself to blame for introducing finances into the game.
I think what's happened now is that things have gone to extremes, but I think you can still find elements of what you miss, that some players appreciate their career esp after having to come up the hard way. Romance. Remember Forest Green Rovers, you went? What a game to watch, it was terrible to listen to. I do agree about television though and maybe less is more.
Football just reflects society, the widening gap between haves & have nots, geographic, and the emphasis on the short-term. But I also feel we play our parts, too, as fans. If you look back to the 60s, and maybe Eddie might remember - no slight on him regarding age, just as one of our older fans - I think that decade was pretty mediocre before we had success. We are going through a mediocre period, building slowly but you hope to something more positive.
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posted on 29/1/13
You keep telling yourself that, Vidals, if it helps alleviate your shame at manipulating that feeble-minded fkwit into performing for your amusement
posted on 29/1/13
Your not married then Mutton
posted on 29/1/13
because we remember how it used it be. We remember terracing and comradery, we remember that tribal feeling, we remember singing until our throats hurt, we remember players with sweat-dripping and steam-rising off their exhausted bodies after giving their all in the name of the team, we remember not having to sacrifice eating to be able to afford to go to the match, we remember when trying to win was paramount and playing for a draw or narrow defeat was unacceptable! We remember when it was part of the rules that a team MUST try and win the league, we remember feeling that football was for us and we were part of it. We remember that live football was only on TV once a week, Sunday lunchtimes and if you wanted to watch it, get off your backside and go to the ground. We remember innocence of footballers who saw the professional game as something they were lucky to be part of not like nowadays where footballers think they are owed it. We remember having pride in the team. We remember 'cult heroes' who stayed at a club for more than a couple of years. We remember thinking that players truly care and owners want to win trophies.
we want that all back
posted on 29/1/13
Does anyone honestly believe that these ogliarchs, sheiks and friends of oriental ruling dynasties are in this for altruistic reasons? Are you stupid?
That's not to say that all of them expect any returns or even to claw back everything they've put in neccesarily, but what do people honestly think will be the future for these clubs post-sugardaddy? Will someone else come in and agree to cover multimillion pound annual losses to make themselves feel good? Will they fk.
The model at the top end is entirely unsustainable and it WILL come crashing down when the English league is no longer en vogue.
posted on 29/1/13
It's easy to maintain low ticket prices when fan's money is irrelevant because your owner has billions to spend. As for the league being more competitive, it's actually a race between two billionaires and the biggest club in the world - hardly an open league.
posted on 29/1/13
"You keep telling yourself that, Vidals, if it helps alleviate your shame at manipulating that feeble-minded fkwit into performing for your amusement"
I feel no shame, 666. I believe that you ENJOY performing.
posted on 29/1/13
A-hahahahahahahaaaa!!
"I know YOU are, but what am I?!!"
Anyway, I'd love for you to respond in kind but INJECTION ALL MY LIFE! now you're not allowed to
posted on 29/1/13
Mostyn
We still have a lot of that. I'm not saying the games perfect. I moan like hell if we have an early kick off. But at the same time I love going down the pub and watching world class players play the game to a great standard on a Sunday.
I'd like Forest to be able to win things to that's really only happened once under a total one off. I'd like a more level playing field. But the point of football clubs is we're all different, we have our levels of support we're from richer or poorer areas of the country. Because of that whatever happens some clubs will be better off than others. You can't change that and I wouldn't want too.
You can't turn back time. You have to take the rough with the smooth. Yes there are things I'd change, there are things I'd have back and things I wouldn't. But on the whole I don't think things are to bad.
posted on 29/1/13
I remember when live football was once a season - the FA Cup final.
posted on 29/1/13
^
Absolutely OOE. On not one but TWO channels.
posted on 29/1/13
I can remember the muckabout game beforehand where Daley Thompson and Rod Stewart would play on a shortened pitch and the cameras would follow the coach for hours prior to kick off.
Oh the magic.
posted on 29/1/13
and it's a knockout ....
posted on 29/1/13
...and nowadays you have the likes of Portsmouth "winning" it
posted on 29/1/13
Mind, they also won it when Eddie was watching, in 1939
posted on 29/1/13
Mos, I think there's has always been a dark side to the beautiful game: corruption, professionalism, (Leeds), players discarded after injuries, hooligans. Reminds me of that old quote about the two hard men full-backs at Barnsley who used to say in earshot of the oppo forward:
'When tha's finished with him, pass him oe'r to me.'
It never changes. Some things get better, some worse. I remember Clare Balding had a radio programme about sport in the UK and how northern sides turned professional to give them the edge over amateur sides. Her cynical rejoinder was that football had only itself to blame for introducing finances into the game.
I think what's happened now is that things have gone to extremes, but I think you can still find elements of what you miss, that some players appreciate their career esp after having to come up the hard way. Romance. Remember Forest Green Rovers, you went? What a game to watch, it was terrible to listen to. I do agree about television though and maybe less is more.
Football just reflects society, the widening gap between haves & have nots, geographic, and the emphasis on the short-term. But I also feel we play our parts, too, as fans. If you look back to the 60s, and maybe Eddie might remember - no slight on him regarding age, just as one of our older fans - I think that decade was pretty mediocre before we had success. We are going through a mediocre period, building slowly but you hope to something more positive.
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