comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
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comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 5 seconds ago
I highly doubt football managers have KPIs or annual appraisals
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Of course they do. Arteta's job is to get us into the CL. Josh Kreonke pretty much said so in his interview on Sky. And McVay's project was pretty much spelled out to him by Stan when they embarked on that.
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Getting us into CL would be an objective rather than a KPI
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Why? How is getting into CL not a key performance indicator to spending £150m last summer? Its not an objective when you have actually taken steps to achieve those targets. How else are you going to judge whether it was worth it or not?
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Starting to think you've never managed anyone in your professional career 🤔
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You do know that the objective is to actually win the premier league or the Champions League as spelled out by Josh Kroenke don't you.

There's a difference between having an ego and being a caaaant. Especially if you're not performing.

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 5 seconds ago
I highly doubt football managers have KPIs or annual appraisals
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Of course they do. Arteta's job is to get us into the CL. Josh Kreonke pretty much said so in his interview on Sky. And McVay's project was pretty much spelled out to him by Stan when they embarked on that.
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Getting us into CL would be an objective rather than a KPI
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Why? How is getting into CL not a key performance indicator to spending £150m last summer? Its not an objective when you have actually taken steps to achieve those targets. How else are you going to judge whether it was worth it or not?
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Starting to think you've never managed anyone in your professional career 🤔
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You do know that the objective is to actually win the premier league or the Champions League as spelled out by Josh Kroenke don't you.
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That has nothing to do with the distinction between KPIs and objectives in performance appraisal and still ignores that performance management is generally useful in work so you can justify sacking someone

In football no justification is required... whether it's fair or not, the contract in paid in full unless an agreement is made

In my experince there is a huge correlation. Bigger the ego, the bigger the caaant. Not talking about sociopaths mind you. But I am sure they are somewhere on the scale.

Yes and arteta had been "dealing with his ego" since at least the time he was late for the NLD. Without much reward from him by the way. Eventually it must've gone beyond the tipping point.

comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 36 seconds ago

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That has nothing to do with the distinction between KPIs and objectives in performance appraisal and still ignores that performance management is generally useful in work so you can justify sacking someone

In football no justification is required... whether it's fair or not, the contract in paid in full unless an agreement is made
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Its immaterial whether a contract is paid in full or not because in football the contracts are a limited term. So for example for a player a bonus is given on basis of achieving set targets, a number of goals for a striker or a clean sheet for a defender. For a manager a contract extension or option can certainly be defined on the basis of European qualification or a top half finish or remaining in the premier league. You can definitely word the contract on inducements or early termination on those grounds if you wish. I am not saying Arteta's is on that. However Josh Kroenke for Arsenal and Stan Kroenke for Rams have described both McVay's job and Arteta's job on the basis of what they believe to be the objective. That is to win superbowl and premier league based on investments for transfers and player developments. Arteta's contract is coming up for renewal and for him I believe a key performance indicator for him is whether he capable of achieving CL football.

comment by King TUt - I Need a Hiro (U3732)
posted 2 minutes ago
Yes and arteta had been "dealing with his ego" since at least the time he was late for the NLD. Without much reward from him by the way. Eventually it must've gone beyond the tipping point.
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And thats why I have continuously made the point that dj doesn't seem to get. I think Arteta had every right to get rid of Auba. Just disagree on how he did it and that he did it without having a replacement first!

Any news?

So sad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcSuqLnJnaY

Just disagree on how he did it and that he did it without having a replacement first!

Could Arteta done it differently? No replacement available. Only for silly money.

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 36 seconds ago

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That has nothing to do with the distinction between KPIs and objectives in performance appraisal and still ignores that performance management is generally useful in work so you can justify sacking someone

In football no justification is required... whether it's fair or not, the contract in paid in full unless an agreement is made
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Its immaterial whether a contract is paid in full or not because in football the contracts are a limited term. So for example for a player a bonus is given on basis of achieving set targets, a number of goals for a striker or a clean sheet for a defender. For a manager a contract extension or option can certainly be defined on the basis of European qualification or a top half finish or remaining in the premier league. You can definitely word the contract on inducements or early termination on those grounds if you wish. I am not saying Arteta's is on that. However Josh Kroenke for Arsenal and Stan Kroenke for Rams have described both McVay's job and Arteta's job on the basis of what they believe to be the objective. That is to win superbowl and premier league based on investments for transfers and player developments. Arteta's contract is coming up for renewal and for him I believe a key performance indicator for him is whether he capable of achieving CL football.
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Word 🥗

comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 3 minutes ago
Just disagree on how he did it and that he did it without having a replacement first!

Could Arteta done it differently? No replacement available. Only for silly money.
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Of course he could've done it differently, I rather Auba went at the end of this season, so sad the way he left even though he turn crap lately. I think he really loved being at Arsenal

comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 13 seconds ago
Just disagree on how he did it and that he did it without having a replacement first!

Could Arteta done it differently? No replacement available. Only for silly money.
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I think so. I made the point when it first happened last year after he got malaria.

Keep it quiet. Don't keep on ratcheting up the drama in public. Meanwhile start looking for a replacement. If you can't find one, keep him at the club and use him from the bench or in emergencies. If you create a fight then its doing no one any good. That way other clubs don't think you are desperate and ask for silly money (eg for Isak).

How will keeping an unhappy Auba in the squad and only using him off the bench or in emergencies help? He would be disinterested, just create issues in the squad, and speculation would grow and the result would be far worse than what Arteta did.

I believe Auba only mentioned Arteta because he was directly asked about him during the press conference.

Obviously we don't know all the facts, but I don't know what he could do differently in this instant. Auba hadn't been good for a while, was seemingly breaking a few rules, then imploded and lost the captaincy for club and country.

Maybe somewhere at the start of the issues Arteta overreacted, but they seemed to reconcile just fine after that and Auba got plenty more chances.

Why have you allowed the relationship to deteriorate to this point? If Auba's visiting his mum was such a issue last season then why didn't you do something about it last summer?

Also made the point that when he was removing from captaincy why didn't he do it quietly and protected his brand, for example by making it about how good he is to his mother and cannot handle responsibilities! And then got rid after replacement. Lets get it straight Arteta picked the fight.

Compare to how Tuchel handled Lukaku. I can't see him staying next summer if Tuchel is still the manager.

*but Tuchel will use him for the next 6 months.

Remember when Wenger tried disciplining Alexis Sanchez?

Ozil saw that and walked all over him.

That was a contract situation tu.

Arteta and auba got past Aubas first (known to us) infringement. The NLD. How many chances should auba get? Knowing he isn't even performing.

Then why didn't he sell him last summer?

Because they "got past" it...

Why should he lie to protect a player who has been taking the p1ss with the club? A player others are supposed to look up to, so will have been actively bringing the standards at the club down.

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted less than a minute ago
Then why didn't he sell him last summer?
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it wasn't an issue last summer, Auba just seems to be a person who isn't very responsible and disciplined

comment by Passion Power - Make 1984 fiction again (U8398)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 3 minutes ago
Just disagree on how he did it and that he did it without having a replacement first!

Could Arteta done it differently? No replacement available. Only for silly money.
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Of course he could've done it differently, I rather Auba went at the end of this season, so sad the way he left even though he turn crap lately. I think he really loved being at Arsenal
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We all dont know what spoilt the relationship between manager and player. All speculation.

For the manager there might be severe reasons to get rid as soon as possible and that is why he moved him on now.