Nope, I'm not panicking just yet
Bit strange eh Spoon? Funny how comments are lacking after yet another defeat. Hopefully they are all packing away those specs and finally realising that changes need to be made.
Here we go again, assuming that a change is going to be better. There's no denying that today was bad, and I hope Pearson gives up on the idea of playing Kane on the wing and puts one of him, Wood or Nugent on the bench.
But why are you both so convinced that bringing in a new manager will improve things? What makes you think that form won't change naturally with time like, for instance, it has all damned season?
Adkins may not even be available and Di Canio is a very dangerous choice: He has the potential to leave a club in a mess. And nobody other than the present incumbant has the time to turn things around this season, to work with the players and work out how to get them going again. Loss or no loss, the situation remains the same: Change the manager now and kiss goodbye to the playoffs.
This isn't to say that the owners won't agree with you of course, but they would be desperately wrong to do so.
Similar lack of comments from you too back in January when we were winning every week, works both ways boys, very sticky period but you really think a change of manager would be good ? I'm not so sure. Knowing us we will go and beat Cardiff on Tuesday typical City lol
Dung, it wasn't just today that was bad, it's been bad for over a month.
Confidence has gone and we look as bad a I have seen us in years. It gets boring saying we were muscled out of the game, but we were. Marshall was dreadful, But wrong to single out anyone player as they quite clearly are not playing for the manager, there is no fight amongst them all.
Let's get real, we are not good enough. Maybe we have over achieved or maybe we have a manager who has taken us as far as we can.
Not really up for a change now but won't be at all bothered if he leaves. New man in the summer, better choices then too!
Miami, wasn't really around in Jan due to health, however I was able to listen to matches on site. Agree it was great on the last good run but I genuinely do feel we have to make a change. Look, if a formula one car was running well below par, the team of mechanics make minor.....but in racing terms, major......adjustments. They don't just chance hoping the car will suddenly start performing with a winning run. I agree that knowing City they could well go to Cardiff and get a 1-0 victory but it would be a one off as Cardiff have hit a bad patch.
I understand that it is dangerous to make a change at this time of the season Dunge. We all know that generally a team have a good run of results initially and this could well be the adjustment that gets the team back running at optimum performance. Like a formula one car, a major adjustment that could backfire BUT it could equally have the desired effect. Let's be honest, NP is not having the desired effect. Time is running out. Be bold Mr Thai. Make the change. If you don't, it will be the same, always the same ie Semper Eadem. As per the Leicester crest.......I think!
Got to the game today, my first in a while owing to being abroad. Have to agree that we were AWFUL.
These are good players, most of them, and Nugent in particular gave everything he had, and more. But there is no evidence of a game plan, no creativity, and almost nothing happening in the final third. A good effort from close-in from de Laet (then crocked again), a decent long shot from Nugent, a bad missed header by an otherwise feeble Kane, and the square root of naff all from an immobile Wood. I can remember nothing else. Wednesday deserved to win.
We won’t get promoted by binning Pearson, because it’s too late to change horses, and barring a miracle we won’t get promoted with him. So, fingers crossed for a miracle.
The possibility of a change in the summer is, I think, a good debate. Based on Pearson's nonsensical interview after the Leeds match, even I wondered whether he was the man to take us forward. However, at least his interview after this one was better - he spoke of a chronic lack of confidence among some of his players, and that is what it looks like on the pitch.
A new manager's influence might fix this, it's true. However, this is very much short-termism and brings with it who knows what other problems. By its very nature, changing the manager serves to shake things up, to unsettle things. Doing that has major implications for pre-season and next season, in a way that changing managers during close season does not.
If you want to change managers, do it in the summer, when everything is calmer and you can actually take your time to work out which manager to go for, otherwise you're just setting everyone up for failure.
See what happens for the rest of the season - the way it's gone so far suggests that there will be another change in form, and probably completely out of the blue.
Who got us into the top six in the first place?
Too easy, TrueBlue. Who's cocking it up now?
Pearson should stay until the end of next season as a minimum in my opinion.
We've lost the plot, no doubt. We're playing poorly, no doubt. But we're so much further on from where we were 12 months ago. Pearson has taken us forward as a football club in a sustainable way.
Give him another year to see if he can turn the solid foundations in to a genuine automatic promotion team. If not, let him go, but to make that decision now would be destructive in my opinion.
I'm just not sure our owners will agree. It wouldn't surprise me if we're being linked with unstable butters like DiCanio on Monday.
I hope I'm wrong.
Can't say I'm comfortable or happy about the current form but sacking now would be crazy.
In truth waiting an extra year I think would be better, if we went up now I could see us just getting battered every week 4,5 nill.
Thing is financially do we now need promotion to keep the current squad together? Is that pressure taking its roll on the playing side of the club? I think or problem is no strength in depth and that looks like it was caused by some moron spending fortunes on svens targets. And loading up the wages. My gut feeling is if Pearson was given this free reign of the cheque book it would have been spent more wisely. I can't think of many players that he has signed that have flopped. And before some smart A'hole names one i know there are some but not many.
Now most of you will know Im a big supporter of Nigel, but even I admit the last few games have been tough viewing.
But I still believe he is the right man.....until the end of the season.
We will need to then reassess....do we keep Nigel and offer him funds to get in a few experienced players as that is what we are lacking under him and I fully believe if we had three or four old heads we would be clear at the top.
Or do we start again by getting a new manager? Then the question would be who?! I'd take Adkins, Poyet, or di Matteo if he could be enticed, but not di Canio or anyone in his ilk.
But this is a debate for the summer, not now...we still
Have enough games to secure a play off spot and promotion!!
Keep the faith, up the foxes!
That's the thing these days no one keeps the faith. Some didn't even give the guy a chance before his first game second time around. Not many moaned before when he got a below average championship squad Ito the play offs!
Jimi, you are right not many keep the faith and its depressing! I think Nigel was spot on when he mentioned delusions of grandeur!
We are not a big team and we never will be no matter who owns us...
Now am I gonna agree???
No
I've said for a while now we are the result of our own arrogance! We have gone at it like a bull in china shop since the Thais arrived. Watford palace Cardiff Brighton etc have all kept it under the radar. Not been in the press blabbing how much we have spent on this we want beckham this we want player x y z. No wonder its going belly up we've just made ourselves a target for every club that plays us and we don't have have the ammo to back ourselves up.
One more thing, Spoons: Regarding your article title: "Now are you gonna agree?", the answer is blatantly No, not because everyone is content with the way we performed, or with mediocrity, or with thinks that Nigel Pearson is some sort of demi-god. The reason we say No is exactly the same reason we would reply No a few games back: Because bringing in a new manager now would be a disaster.
No doubt you will ask this again because you're clearly answering the question of whether Pearson should go or not based on different criteria. But the answer will remain the same until the season is over.
sad day ......i think we will do Cardiff...love to all
Yesterday I had to be content with listening to a running commentary of the match on a certain radio station based 60 miles away in South Yorkshire.
Whilst I can understand, to a certain extent, their 'leaning' towards the local side involved, I can never accept it when a team is outplayed yet commentators continue to hammer out 'they should have taken something from this match' or 'they deserved to win it' when, in fact, they didn't.
I paid close attention to the detail and it sounded as if City battered Wednesday for a good half-hour during the first period, and that several chances were either missed, squandered or were simply dealt with by Chris Kirkland. It sounded as if he was very much their saviour. It also very much appeared to me that City should have gone into the break 3 goals up but we fell away badly in the second-half and Lita should have done better with the opportunities he was given.
Listening intently, City weren't steadfast at the back and it was down to Wednesday's sheer resilience that they held on to that slender lead. Anyway, this is how it came across. Did Wednesday deserve to win this I ask any of you who may have been present at the game? I have to get my mind straight on this one because I don't really want to hear that they did.
For me, Sheffield Wednesday wanted it so much more and that's the key for me.
They were chasing things down, not giving us time on the ball, when they had posession they had options and pushed forward. We are (like NP said) lacking in confidence. Nobody seemed to want the ball. This is when we need a leader out there to motivate.
During the last 2 games, the desire shown by Kasper when he goes up for corners is exactly what is expect from the other 10 players!
Downsouf
Yes - Wednesday definitely derserved the 3 points. Not for their football. There were two mediocre teams out there playing pretty woeful football - but Wednesday demonstrated far more passion and determination on the day, and for that they deserved the spoils.
All I would say is the the "supporters" started to get on Bloomfield's back when Leicester were 6th in the first division, the board listened, City have never ever reached those heights again.
MON took over when I believe city were 2nd in the the second division, we slipped down the table, the supporters were calling for Martins head, we slipped outside the top six the supporters became more vociferous, for which Martin never really forgave us. The rest is history as they say.
We have nothing to gain by sacking the manager at this stage of the season.
people wanting Nigel Adkins in seem to have not noticed that since he has left they have moved up the league, is he really the right replacement or were Southampton on the verge or bringing the points in when he was wrongly sacked......
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posted on 9/3/13
Nope, I'm not panicking just yet
posted on 9/3/13
Bit strange eh Spoon? Funny how comments are lacking after yet another defeat. Hopefully they are all packing away those specs and finally realising that changes need to be made.
posted on 9/3/13
Here we go again, assuming that a change is going to be better. There's no denying that today was bad, and I hope Pearson gives up on the idea of playing Kane on the wing and puts one of him, Wood or Nugent on the bench.
But why are you both so convinced that bringing in a new manager will improve things? What makes you think that form won't change naturally with time like, for instance, it has all damned season?
Adkins may not even be available and Di Canio is a very dangerous choice: He has the potential to leave a club in a mess. And nobody other than the present incumbant has the time to turn things around this season, to work with the players and work out how to get them going again. Loss or no loss, the situation remains the same: Change the manager now and kiss goodbye to the playoffs.
This isn't to say that the owners won't agree with you of course, but they would be desperately wrong to do so.
posted on 9/3/13
Similar lack of comments from you too back in January when we were winning every week, works both ways boys, very sticky period but you really think a change of manager would be good ? I'm not so sure. Knowing us we will go and beat Cardiff on Tuesday typical City lol
posted on 9/3/13
Dung, it wasn't just today that was bad, it's been bad for over a month.
Confidence has gone and we look as bad a I have seen us in years. It gets boring saying we were muscled out of the game, but we were. Marshall was dreadful, But wrong to single out anyone player as they quite clearly are not playing for the manager, there is no fight amongst them all.
Let's get real, we are not good enough. Maybe we have over achieved or maybe we have a manager who has taken us as far as we can.
Not really up for a change now but won't be at all bothered if he leaves. New man in the summer, better choices then too!
posted on 9/3/13
Miami, wasn't really around in Jan due to health, however I was able to listen to matches on site. Agree it was great on the last good run but I genuinely do feel we have to make a change. Look, if a formula one car was running well below par, the team of mechanics make minor.....but in racing terms, major......adjustments. They don't just chance hoping the car will suddenly start performing with a winning run. I agree that knowing City they could well go to Cardiff and get a 1-0 victory but it would be a one off as Cardiff have hit a bad patch.
I understand that it is dangerous to make a change at this time of the season Dunge. We all know that generally a team have a good run of results initially and this could well be the adjustment that gets the team back running at optimum performance. Like a formula one car, a major adjustment that could backfire BUT it could equally have the desired effect. Let's be honest, NP is not having the desired effect. Time is running out. Be bold Mr Thai. Make the change. If you don't, it will be the same, always the same ie Semper Eadem. As per the Leicester crest.......I think!
posted on 9/3/13
Got to the game today, my first in a while owing to being abroad. Have to agree that we were AWFUL.
These are good players, most of them, and Nugent in particular gave everything he had, and more. But there is no evidence of a game plan, no creativity, and almost nothing happening in the final third. A good effort from close-in from de Laet (then crocked again), a decent long shot from Nugent, a bad missed header by an otherwise feeble Kane, and the square root of naff all from an immobile Wood. I can remember nothing else. Wednesday deserved to win.
We won’t get promoted by binning Pearson, because it’s too late to change horses, and barring a miracle we won’t get promoted with him. So, fingers crossed for a miracle.
posted on 9/3/13
The possibility of a change in the summer is, I think, a good debate. Based on Pearson's nonsensical interview after the Leeds match, even I wondered whether he was the man to take us forward. However, at least his interview after this one was better - he spoke of a chronic lack of confidence among some of his players, and that is what it looks like on the pitch.
A new manager's influence might fix this, it's true. However, this is very much short-termism and brings with it who knows what other problems. By its very nature, changing the manager serves to shake things up, to unsettle things. Doing that has major implications for pre-season and next season, in a way that changing managers during close season does not.
If you want to change managers, do it in the summer, when everything is calmer and you can actually take your time to work out which manager to go for, otherwise you're just setting everyone up for failure.
See what happens for the rest of the season - the way it's gone so far suggests that there will be another change in form, and probably completely out of the blue.
posted on 9/3/13
Who got us into the top six in the first place?
posted on 9/3/13
Too easy, TrueBlue. Who's cocking it up now?
posted on 9/3/13
Pearson should stay until the end of next season as a minimum in my opinion.
We've lost the plot, no doubt. We're playing poorly, no doubt. But we're so much further on from where we were 12 months ago. Pearson has taken us forward as a football club in a sustainable way.
Give him another year to see if he can turn the solid foundations in to a genuine automatic promotion team. If not, let him go, but to make that decision now would be destructive in my opinion.
I'm just not sure our owners will agree. It wouldn't surprise me if we're being linked with unstable butters like DiCanio on Monday.
I hope I'm wrong.
posted on 10/3/13
Can't say I'm comfortable or happy about the current form but sacking now would be crazy.
In truth waiting an extra year I think would be better, if we went up now I could see us just getting battered every week 4,5 nill.
Thing is financially do we now need promotion to keep the current squad together? Is that pressure taking its roll on the playing side of the club? I think or problem is no strength in depth and that looks like it was caused by some moron spending fortunes on svens targets. And loading up the wages. My gut feeling is if Pearson was given this free reign of the cheque book it would have been spent more wisely. I can't think of many players that he has signed that have flopped. And before some smart A'hole names one i know there are some but not many.
posted on 10/3/13
Now most of you will know Im a big supporter of Nigel, but even I admit the last few games have been tough viewing.
But I still believe he is the right man.....until the end of the season.
We will need to then reassess....do we keep Nigel and offer him funds to get in a few experienced players as that is what we are lacking under him and I fully believe if we had three or four old heads we would be clear at the top.
Or do we start again by getting a new manager? Then the question would be who?! I'd take Adkins, Poyet, or di Matteo if he could be enticed, but not di Canio or anyone in his ilk.
But this is a debate for the summer, not now...we still
Have enough games to secure a play off spot and promotion!!
Keep the faith, up the foxes!
posted on 10/3/13
That's the thing these days no one keeps the faith. Some didn't even give the guy a chance before his first game second time around. Not many moaned before when he got a below average championship squad Ito the play offs!
posted on 10/3/13
Jimi, you are right not many keep the faith and its depressing! I think Nigel was spot on when he mentioned delusions of grandeur!
We are not a big team and we never will be no matter who owns us...
posted on 10/3/13
Now am I gonna agree???
No
posted on 10/3/13
I've said for a while now we are the result of our own arrogance! We have gone at it like a bull in china shop since the Thais arrived. Watford palace Cardiff Brighton etc have all kept it under the radar. Not been in the press blabbing how much we have spent on this we want beckham this we want player x y z. No wonder its going belly up we've just made ourselves a target for every club that plays us and we don't have have the ammo to back ourselves up.
posted on 10/3/13
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posted on 10/3/13
One more thing, Spoons: Regarding your article title: "Now are you gonna agree?", the answer is blatantly No, not because everyone is content with the way we performed, or with mediocrity, or with thinks that Nigel Pearson is some sort of demi-god. The reason we say No is exactly the same reason we would reply No a few games back: Because bringing in a new manager now would be a disaster.
No doubt you will ask this again because you're clearly answering the question of whether Pearson should go or not based on different criteria. But the answer will remain the same until the season is over.
posted on 10/3/13
sad day ......i think we will do Cardiff...love to all
posted on 10/3/13
Yesterday I had to be content with listening to a running commentary of the match on a certain radio station based 60 miles away in South Yorkshire.
Whilst I can understand, to a certain extent, their 'leaning' towards the local side involved, I can never accept it when a team is outplayed yet commentators continue to hammer out 'they should have taken something from this match' or 'they deserved to win it' when, in fact, they didn't.
I paid close attention to the detail and it sounded as if City battered Wednesday for a good half-hour during the first period, and that several chances were either missed, squandered or were simply dealt with by Chris Kirkland. It sounded as if he was very much their saviour. It also very much appeared to me that City should have gone into the break 3 goals up but we fell away badly in the second-half and Lita should have done better with the opportunities he was given.
Listening intently, City weren't steadfast at the back and it was down to Wednesday's sheer resilience that they held on to that slender lead. Anyway, this is how it came across. Did Wednesday deserve to win this I ask any of you who may have been present at the game? I have to get my mind straight on this one because I don't really want to hear that they did.
posted on 10/3/13
For me, Sheffield Wednesday wanted it so much more and that's the key for me.
They were chasing things down, not giving us time on the ball, when they had posession they had options and pushed forward. We are (like NP said) lacking in confidence. Nobody seemed to want the ball. This is when we need a leader out there to motivate.
During the last 2 games, the desire shown by Kasper when he goes up for corners is exactly what is expect from the other 10 players!
posted on 10/3/13
Downsouf
Yes - Wednesday definitely derserved the 3 points. Not for their football. There were two mediocre teams out there playing pretty woeful football - but Wednesday demonstrated far more passion and determination on the day, and for that they deserved the spoils.
posted on 10/3/13
All I would say is the the "supporters" started to get on Bloomfield's back when Leicester were 6th in the first division, the board listened, City have never ever reached those heights again.
MON took over when I believe city were 2nd in the the second division, we slipped down the table, the supporters were calling for Martins head, we slipped outside the top six the supporters became more vociferous, for which Martin never really forgave us. The rest is history as they say.
We have nothing to gain by sacking the manager at this stage of the season.
posted on 10/3/13
people wanting Nigel Adkins in seem to have not noticed that since he has left they have moved up the league, is he really the right replacement or were Southampton on the verge or bringing the points in when he was wrongly sacked......
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