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DingBatMan - Feel free to read The Austin Healey article in yesterday's Telegraph and I have not suggested that the bulk of the Welsh Players should make up The Lions Team !!
What a delicate soul you are for reporting me twice I bet you were the School snitch !!
Austin Healey has always be unbiased towards the Welsh
Welshy - here is a good read :-
www.gwladrugby.com
There is an open letter to Austin Healey on there !!
Ta mate shall have a read in a sec
Numbers im suggestion that the Bulk of the Lions team should be Welsh. ME. Austin Healy is just one person with his opinion and he is entitled to it.Just as everyone and yourself.
As for why your comments were deleted. They were deleted because they were Wumming and thats against the rules. We don't like it here, we are all friends from all the other countries in the 6 nations here. we show respect to each other and expect it in return. sometimes we have the odd barney but nothing out of order.
Now that said there is a lions thread, so if you want to take part head on over there and give your opinion on who you think should be on the plane. Im sticking with my expectation of 6 or 7 welsh lads in the starting 15 and a host of others on the plane. In reality the best team of the past couple of years should certainly be the bulk of the lions team. England will make up a fair few im sure. Scotland a couple.
Sadly from my point of view i dont expect to see many irish, but thats life. We have been pretty dire this last couple of years and thats the reward. Sexton will start at 10 im sure,(if fit) not for any other reason than he is the best ten of what we have got to choose from. After him im not sure Ireland will have anyone in the starting 15. couple on the bench maybe. Kearney is a certainty to be on the bench. But from the fullback position we have to also remember Hogg in scotland has been outstanding this year. so we have a wealth of talent in that area.
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this is the article by healy!
He gives nothing but respect to wales! what the bloody hell are you talking about Numbers????
I have given you the benifit of the doubth because sometimes the media can be a bit one-eyed but you talking out of your back side!
For all to read -
And for the record Numbers. Walsh is an abysmal ref! No on e like him.But to the crdit of wales they knew exactly how to play to stay on his good side. that shows England were not prepared for the REF and in the words of Brian O'Driscoll among others, "You need to play the ref as much as you play the opposition, understanding what the ref wants is 50% of the battle."
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By Austin Healey10:30PM GMT 16 Mar 2013
England have had a good 12 months and are an improving side moving in the right direction under coach Stuart Lancaster, but all of their weaknesses were ruthlessly exploited by Wales.
The Welsh did their homework and their considerably more experienced players delivered in an atmosphere unfamiliar to all but a few of the visitors. The game was won and lost at the scrum and the breakdown, where Wales dominated.
Adam Jones and Dan Cole led their respective front rows into battle to try to gain the upper hand in what was always going to be a vital part of the game, but it was also a head-to-head for the Lions tight-head prop position they both covet.
In both contests, Jones was the hands-down winner, as Wales regularly won penalties that killed any momentum England ever looked like building.
But it was the breakdown that killed off any hopes of a Grand Slam. Wales analysed the English approach and realised they under-commit in terms of numbers. Wales had two opensides on the field, in Sam Warburton and Justin Tipuric, and these two breakdown experts gave Wales the upper hand.
Going into the game I thought England would be able to cope but Steve Walsh’s very southern hemisphere interpretations of the laws means he likes the breakdown to be an even contest.
Perhaps the England coaches should have considered this and moved the ball into the wide channels, and away from the tackle area, more often. But they like to play close to the breakdown, with Brad Barritt and Manu Tuilagi crashing the ball up in midfield, and they could not shake this habit. As a result, Wales flooded the breakdown and either slowed the ball down or turned it over.
Wales also deserve massive credit for the way they attacked the two wings with tactical kicks, especially off turnovers. They knew England were weak here – Chris Ashton has been one of the poorest players in the tournament and Mike Brown is a fullback playing out of position – and fully exploited this.
The Welsh coaches and players deserve all the plaudits coming their way after delivering the performance of the Six Nations under the most intense pressure. But England have had a good season and I’m sure they’ll bounce back.
Since the Ireland game it feels like England have been a workmanlike outfit that has not got near executing a tangible game plan designed to beat teams, rather than just avoiding defeat. They are also too reliant on Tuilagi in attack. If he is shackled, as he was by Jamie Roberts and Jonathan Davies, England have no go-forward whatsoever.
The England team has a lot of potential but, as I’ve said many times before, it’s missing an X-factor. If you have no star attacking player then you have to grind sides down. And if you lose all the forward collisions, like England did last night, you stand no chance of doing this.
I hope the England coaches use the tour to Argentina to find a balance in the back three, but more importantly I hope they use it to discover an X-factor of their own. I know all the men well, and they are good coaches, but maybe a bit too pragmatic for their own good. They must be given time to give this team an identity.
On Twitter last week I said I would have a £1 bet with anybody in Wales that England would win. Yet the eagle-eyed among you will remember I cancelled this bet the moment I realised Walsh was the referee. I owe a pound to the 300-odd of you who took me up on that bet before I changed my mind.
I'm not a rugby fan but i did watch the game on Saturday.
Why do rugby players give away so many penalties? Dont they know when they do something where a penalty is the punishment, that the other team will get an easy 3pts?
True pope
But when you're under immense pressure at penalties are inevitable and indeed preferable to the opposition scoring a try.
DingBatMan - Austin Healey made the following comment :-
On Twitter last week I said I would have a £1 bet with anybody in Wales that England would win. Yet the eagle-eyed among you will remember I cancelled this bet the moment I realised Walsh was the referee. I owe a pound to the 300-odd of you who took me up on that bet before I changed my mind.
A total lack of respect to a Welsh Team that thoroughly humiliated an England Team that was being heralded by the English Media as the future RBS Grand Slam Champions.
DingBatMan
But when you're under immense pressure at penalties are inevitable and indeed preferable to the opposition scoring a try.
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But sometimes the opposition dont even look likely to score a try.
Its totally baffling from the point of view of someone who doesnt really know the rules.
Pope
Penalties in rugby are often given away due to split second decisions by a player. They attempt to bend the rules to gain an advantage and sometimes push the boundaries too far. It can literally be doing something for a second or two too long, thin lines and all that.
Cobnob
I'm certainly not going to start debating about something i dont know anything about.....and i hope i'm not offending your sport...but it still seems a bit daft to push the boundaries, with the risk of having a penalty against, especially when you're 40/50 yards up the pitch.
No pope, England gave away a lot of pens due to the pressure being applied by a rampant wales. And Wales absolutely looked like scoring. From literally anywhere. Giving a penalty is the lesser of 2 evils. Thats what Rugby is all about. very fine margins.
Numbers.
Im going to copy and past the WHOLE ARTICLE AGAIN
People with brains can see that he was totally respectful of Wales.
Given the size of the article and the wee little bit you pic up on in order to mis quote the man i think we all know where u are coming from. Hell its the title of this thread!
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By Austin Healey10:30PM GMT 16 Mar 2013
England have had a good 12 months and are an improving side moving in the right direction under coach Stuart Lancaster, but all of their weaknesses were ruthlessly exploited by Wales.
The Welsh did their homework and their considerably more experienced players delivered in an atmosphere unfamiliar to all but a few of the visitors. The game was won and lost at the scrum and the breakdown, where Wales dominated.
Adam Jones and Dan Cole led their respective front rows into battle to try to gain the upper hand in what was always going to be a vital part of the game, but it was also a head-to-head for the Lions tight-head prop position they both covet.
In both contests, Jones was the hands-down winner, as Wales regularly won penalties that killed any momentum England ever looked like building.
But it was the breakdown that killed off any hopes of a Grand Slam. Wales analysed the English approach and realised they under-commit in terms of numbers. Wales had two opensides on the field, in Sam Warburton and Justin Tipuric, and these two breakdown experts gave Wales the upper hand.
Going into the game I thought England would be able to cope but Steve Walsh’s very southern hemisphere interpretations of the laws means he likes the breakdown to be an even contest.
Perhaps the England coaches should have considered this and moved the ball into the wide channels, and away from the tackle area, more often. But they like to play close to the breakdown, with Brad Barritt and Manu Tuilagi crashing the ball up in midfield, and they could not shake this habit. As a result, Wales flooded the breakdown and either slowed the ball down or turned it over.
Wales also deserve massive credit for the way they attacked the two wings with tactical kicks, especially off turnovers. They knew England were weak here – Chris Ashton has been one of the poorest players in the tournament and Mike Brown is a fullback playing out of position – and fully exploited this.
The Welsh coaches and players deserve all the plaudits coming their way after delivering the performance of the Six Nations under the most intense pressure. But England have had a good season and I’m sure they’ll bounce back.
Since the Ireland game it feels like England have been a workmanlike outfit that has not got near executing a tangible game plan designed to beat teams, rather than just avoiding defeat. They are also too reliant on Tuilagi in attack. If he is shackled, as he was by Jamie Roberts and Jonathan Davies, England have no go-forward whatsoever.
The England team has a lot of potential but, as I’ve said many times before, it’s missing an X-factor. If you have no star attacking player then you have to grind sides down. And if you lose all the forward collisions, like England did last night, you stand no chance of doing this.
I hope the England coaches use the tour to Argentina to find a balance in the back three, but more importantly I hope they use it to discover an X-factor of their own. I know all the men well, and they are good coaches, but maybe a bit too pragmatic for their own good. They must be given time to give this team an identity.
On Twitter last week I said I would have a £1 bet with anybody in Wales that England would win. Yet the eagle-eyed among you will remember I cancelled this bet the moment I realised Walsh was the referee. I owe a pound to the 300-odd of you who took me up on that bet before I changed my mind.
Thats what Rugby is all about. very fine margins.
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Isn't that like every sport though?
On Twitter last week I said I would have a £1 bet with anybody in Wales that England would win. Yet the eagle-eyed among you will remember I cancelled this bet the moment I realised Walsh was the referee.
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So the ref is the reason why Wales won?
Welshy - thank you for highlighting the total lack of respect afforded to the Welsh Rugby Team because Austin Healey has implied that England would have won if Steve Walsh had not been the referee.
Gwlad Website - An open letter to Austin Healey :-
Dear Austin
You’re blocking me on Twitter so I’m writing you a letter here in the hope that someone might draw your attention to it. You know all about attention-seeking, don’t you?
Last week you offered to bet the entire Welsh nation that England would win the Grand Slam by beating Wales yesterday. Thousands of us took you up on your generous offer.
It was therefore disappointing to discover today that you’ve weasled out of your obligation to honour the bet.
This seems ungracious and suggests that you’re not as willing to take it as you are to dish it out.
I’m offering you a chance to redeem yourself in the eyes of thousands of your Welsh admirers.
Make a modest but appropriate donation to my London Marathon Appeal, in aid of Whizz-Kidz, and we’ll say no more about it. Until the next time you open your gob and firmly plant your foot in it.
For Welsh rugby fans, Austin, you are simply the gift that keeps on giving. Don’t go changing.
All the best
Dan
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Halfpenny is streets ahead of Kearney !!
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no he isnt, kearney is a fantastic rugby player, but halfpenny deserves the lions 15 jersey IMO
yes mex,
I agree Halfpenny deserves it on currant form. But streets ahead is little exaggerated LOL
It goes up and down don't it. By the end of the last Lions tour Kearney was comfortably the best full back in Europe his only rival in world rugby was wearing the NZ 15 jersey.
Halfpenny has had an outstanding tournament. Despite being rubbish in the first game. And has won the Lions 15 jersey by virtue of his subsequent performances. The chap has ice water in his veins. Lets hope he does the business against another world star 15 in Beale. If not Kearney is proven and will have no problem stepping in. Hogg has also been very impressive, he may well go on the plane too. But Gatland is a smart man, if you are going to bring 3 FB's (which he wont!) one will need to be a utility player. SO i expect Hogg to lose out in favour of Kearney's proven track record.
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posted on 18/3/13
DingBatMan - Feel free to read The Austin Healey article in yesterday's Telegraph and I have not suggested that the bulk of the Welsh Players should make up The Lions Team !!
What a delicate soul you are for reporting me twice I bet you were the School snitch !!
posted on 18/3/13
Austin Healey has always be unbiased towards the Welsh
posted on 18/3/13
Welshy - here is a good read :-
www.gwladrugby.com
There is an open letter to Austin Healey on there !!
posted on 18/3/13
Ta mate shall have a read in a sec
posted on 18/3/13
Numbers im suggestion that the Bulk of the Lions team should be Welsh. ME. Austin Healy is just one person with his opinion and he is entitled to it.Just as everyone and yourself.
As for why your comments were deleted. They were deleted because they were Wumming and thats against the rules. We don't like it here, we are all friends from all the other countries in the 6 nations here. we show respect to each other and expect it in return. sometimes we have the odd barney but nothing out of order.
Now that said there is a lions thread, so if you want to take part head on over there and give your opinion on who you think should be on the plane. Im sticking with my expectation of 6 or 7 welsh lads in the starting 15 and a host of others on the plane. In reality the best team of the past couple of years should certainly be the bulk of the lions team. England will make up a fair few im sure. Scotland a couple.
Sadly from my point of view i dont expect to see many irish, but thats life. We have been pretty dire this last couple of years and thats the reward. Sexton will start at 10 im sure,(if fit) not for any other reason than he is the best ten of what we have got to choose from. After him im not sure Ireland will have anyone in the starting 15. couple on the bench maybe. Kearney is a certainty to be on the bench. But from the fullback position we have to also remember Hogg in scotland has been outstanding this year. so we have a wealth of talent in that area.
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posted on 18/3/13
this is the article by healy!
He gives nothing but respect to wales! what the bloody hell are you talking about Numbers????
I have given you the benifit of the doubth because sometimes the media can be a bit one-eyed but you talking out of your back side!
For all to read -
And for the record Numbers. Walsh is an abysmal ref! No on e like him.But to the crdit of wales they knew exactly how to play to stay on his good side. that shows England were not prepared for the REF and in the words of Brian O'Driscoll among others, "You need to play the ref as much as you play the opposition, understanding what the ref wants is 50% of the battle."
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By Austin Healey10:30PM GMT 16 Mar 2013
England have had a good 12 months and are an improving side moving in the right direction under coach Stuart Lancaster, but all of their weaknesses were ruthlessly exploited by Wales.
The Welsh did their homework and their considerably more experienced players delivered in an atmosphere unfamiliar to all but a few of the visitors. The game was won and lost at the scrum and the breakdown, where Wales dominated.
Adam Jones and Dan Cole led their respective front rows into battle to try to gain the upper hand in what was always going to be a vital part of the game, but it was also a head-to-head for the Lions tight-head prop position they both covet.
In both contests, Jones was the hands-down winner, as Wales regularly won penalties that killed any momentum England ever looked like building.
But it was the breakdown that killed off any hopes of a Grand Slam. Wales analysed the English approach and realised they under-commit in terms of numbers. Wales had two opensides on the field, in Sam Warburton and Justin Tipuric, and these two breakdown experts gave Wales the upper hand.
Going into the game I thought England would be able to cope but Steve Walsh’s very southern hemisphere interpretations of the laws means he likes the breakdown to be an even contest.
Perhaps the England coaches should have considered this and moved the ball into the wide channels, and away from the tackle area, more often. But they like to play close to the breakdown, with Brad Barritt and Manu Tuilagi crashing the ball up in midfield, and they could not shake this habit. As a result, Wales flooded the breakdown and either slowed the ball down or turned it over.
Wales also deserve massive credit for the way they attacked the two wings with tactical kicks, especially off turnovers. They knew England were weak here – Chris Ashton has been one of the poorest players in the tournament and Mike Brown is a fullback playing out of position – and fully exploited this.
The Welsh coaches and players deserve all the plaudits coming their way after delivering the performance of the Six Nations under the most intense pressure. But England have had a good season and I’m sure they’ll bounce back.
Since the Ireland game it feels like England have been a workmanlike outfit that has not got near executing a tangible game plan designed to beat teams, rather than just avoiding defeat. They are also too reliant on Tuilagi in attack. If he is shackled, as he was by Jamie Roberts and Jonathan Davies, England have no go-forward whatsoever.
The England team has a lot of potential but, as I’ve said many times before, it’s missing an X-factor. If you have no star attacking player then you have to grind sides down. And if you lose all the forward collisions, like England did last night, you stand no chance of doing this.
I hope the England coaches use the tour to Argentina to find a balance in the back three, but more importantly I hope they use it to discover an X-factor of their own. I know all the men well, and they are good coaches, but maybe a bit too pragmatic for their own good. They must be given time to give this team an identity.
On Twitter last week I said I would have a £1 bet with anybody in Wales that England would win. Yet the eagle-eyed among you will remember I cancelled this bet the moment I realised Walsh was the referee. I owe a pound to the 300-odd of you who took me up on that bet before I changed my mind.
posted on 18/3/13
I'm not a rugby fan but i did watch the game on Saturday.
Why do rugby players give away so many penalties? Dont they know when they do something where a penalty is the punishment, that the other team will get an easy 3pts?
posted on 18/3/13
True pope
But when you're under immense pressure at penalties are inevitable and indeed preferable to the opposition scoring a try.
posted on 18/3/13
DingBatMan - Austin Healey made the following comment :-
On Twitter last week I said I would have a £1 bet with anybody in Wales that England would win. Yet the eagle-eyed among you will remember I cancelled this bet the moment I realised Walsh was the referee. I owe a pound to the 300-odd of you who took me up on that bet before I changed my mind.
A total lack of respect to a Welsh Team that thoroughly humiliated an England Team that was being heralded by the English Media as the future RBS Grand Slam Champions.
posted on 18/3/13
DingBatMan
But when you're under immense pressure at penalties are inevitable and indeed preferable to the opposition scoring a try.
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But sometimes the opposition dont even look likely to score a try.
Its totally baffling from the point of view of someone who doesnt really know the rules.
posted on 18/3/13
Pope
Penalties in rugby are often given away due to split second decisions by a player. They attempt to bend the rules to gain an advantage and sometimes push the boundaries too far. It can literally be doing something for a second or two too long, thin lines and all that.
posted on 18/3/13
Cobnob
I'm certainly not going to start debating about something i dont know anything about.....and i hope i'm not offending your sport...but it still seems a bit daft to push the boundaries, with the risk of having a penalty against, especially when you're 40/50 yards up the pitch.
posted on 18/3/13
No pope, England gave away a lot of pens due to the pressure being applied by a rampant wales. And Wales absolutely looked like scoring. From literally anywhere. Giving a penalty is the lesser of 2 evils. Thats what Rugby is all about. very fine margins.
posted on 18/3/13
Numbers.
Im going to copy and past the WHOLE ARTICLE AGAIN
People with brains can see that he was totally respectful of Wales.
Given the size of the article and the wee little bit you pic up on in order to mis quote the man i think we all know where u are coming from. Hell its the title of this thread!
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By Austin Healey10:30PM GMT 16 Mar 2013
England have had a good 12 months and are an improving side moving in the right direction under coach Stuart Lancaster, but all of their weaknesses were ruthlessly exploited by Wales.
The Welsh did their homework and their considerably more experienced players delivered in an atmosphere unfamiliar to all but a few of the visitors. The game was won and lost at the scrum and the breakdown, where Wales dominated.
Adam Jones and Dan Cole led their respective front rows into battle to try to gain the upper hand in what was always going to be a vital part of the game, but it was also a head-to-head for the Lions tight-head prop position they both covet.
In both contests, Jones was the hands-down winner, as Wales regularly won penalties that killed any momentum England ever looked like building.
But it was the breakdown that killed off any hopes of a Grand Slam. Wales analysed the English approach and realised they under-commit in terms of numbers. Wales had two opensides on the field, in Sam Warburton and Justin Tipuric, and these two breakdown experts gave Wales the upper hand.
Going into the game I thought England would be able to cope but Steve Walsh’s very southern hemisphere interpretations of the laws means he likes the breakdown to be an even contest.
Perhaps the England coaches should have considered this and moved the ball into the wide channels, and away from the tackle area, more often. But they like to play close to the breakdown, with Brad Barritt and Manu Tuilagi crashing the ball up in midfield, and they could not shake this habit. As a result, Wales flooded the breakdown and either slowed the ball down or turned it over.
Wales also deserve massive credit for the way they attacked the two wings with tactical kicks, especially off turnovers. They knew England were weak here – Chris Ashton has been one of the poorest players in the tournament and Mike Brown is a fullback playing out of position – and fully exploited this.
The Welsh coaches and players deserve all the plaudits coming their way after delivering the performance of the Six Nations under the most intense pressure. But England have had a good season and I’m sure they’ll bounce back.
Since the Ireland game it feels like England have been a workmanlike outfit that has not got near executing a tangible game plan designed to beat teams, rather than just avoiding defeat. They are also too reliant on Tuilagi in attack. If he is shackled, as he was by Jamie Roberts and Jonathan Davies, England have no go-forward whatsoever.
The England team has a lot of potential but, as I’ve said many times before, it’s missing an X-factor. If you have no star attacking player then you have to grind sides down. And if you lose all the forward collisions, like England did last night, you stand no chance of doing this.
I hope the England coaches use the tour to Argentina to find a balance in the back three, but more importantly I hope they use it to discover an X-factor of their own. I know all the men well, and they are good coaches, but maybe a bit too pragmatic for their own good. They must be given time to give this team an identity.
On Twitter last week I said I would have a £1 bet with anybody in Wales that England would win. Yet the eagle-eyed among you will remember I cancelled this bet the moment I realised Walsh was the referee. I owe a pound to the 300-odd of you who took me up on that bet before I changed my mind.
posted on 18/3/13
Thats what Rugby is all about. very fine margins.
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Isn't that like every sport though?
posted on 18/3/13
On Twitter last week I said I would have a £1 bet with anybody in Wales that England would win. Yet the eagle-eyed among you will remember I cancelled this bet the moment I realised Walsh was the referee.
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So the ref is the reason why Wales won?
posted on 18/3/13
Welshy - thank you for highlighting the total lack of respect afforded to the Welsh Rugby Team because Austin Healey has implied that England would have won if Steve Walsh had not been the referee.
posted on 18/3/13
Gwlad Website - An open letter to Austin Healey :-
Dear Austin
You’re blocking me on Twitter so I’m writing you a letter here in the hope that someone might draw your attention to it. You know all about attention-seeking, don’t you?
Last week you offered to bet the entire Welsh nation that England would win the Grand Slam by beating Wales yesterday. Thousands of us took you up on your generous offer.
It was therefore disappointing to discover today that you’ve weasled out of your obligation to honour the bet.
This seems ungracious and suggests that you’re not as willing to take it as you are to dish it out.
I’m offering you a chance to redeem yourself in the eyes of thousands of your Welsh admirers.
Make a modest but appropriate donation to my London Marathon Appeal, in aid of Whizz-Kidz, and we’ll say no more about it. Until the next time you open your gob and firmly plant your foot in it.
For Welsh rugby fans, Austin, you are simply the gift that keeps on giving. Don’t go changing.
All the best
Dan
posted on 18/3/13
Numbers
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Halfpenny is streets ahead of Kearney !!
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no he isnt, kearney is a fantastic rugby player, but halfpenny deserves the lions 15 jersey IMO
posted on 18/3/13
yes mex,
I agree Halfpenny deserves it on currant form. But streets ahead is little exaggerated LOL
It goes up and down don't it. By the end of the last Lions tour Kearney was comfortably the best full back in Europe his only rival in world rugby was wearing the NZ 15 jersey.
Halfpenny has had an outstanding tournament. Despite being rubbish in the first game. And has won the Lions 15 jersey by virtue of his subsequent performances. The chap has ice water in his veins. Lets hope he does the business against another world star 15 in Beale. If not Kearney is proven and will have no problem stepping in. Hogg has also been very impressive, he may well go on the plane too. But Gatland is a smart man, if you are going to bring 3 FB's (which he wont!) one will need to be a utility player. SO i expect Hogg to lose out in favour of Kearney's proven track record.
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