There is no doubt Sully should start,no doubt what so ever.

Peg - what do you mean by Woods picking up his own body weight so that he can dive?
In weightlifting an 82kg man trained to an ADVANCED standard would be able to lift 75kg.
Why would that make him a better diver?
Just out of interest, are you blaming Woods for the first goal at Scunny?

Hound I dont mean picking up his body weight with his arms, he is not a weight lifter. He should be able to propel
his own body weight OFF the ground using his legs. To do this successfully he should be up on his toes , and not flat footed on the ground. Butler the coach should be able to see this and correct it.

The first goal was a good strike, though Woods was flat footed and probabley could have got closer to it.

As much as I don't think Woods has performed to badly this season I've always liked and rated Sully and he would be my preferred option.

I think the problem is Butler himself PEG I don't rate him as a goalkeeping coach and when sully retires they should employ him in place of Butler.

The first goal was a brilliant free kick - no blame can be attached to the keeper.
I was directly behind the goal and had a keepers eye view (or to be precise - lack of view).
The ball was hit over the wall. the keeper always stands more to the other side doesnt he.
The ball was about 2" under the bar and 2" inside the post and hit at pace.
Unsaveable.

Interestingly, 'expert' summariser, Micky Walker said Sully could've done better but having seen it on tv, I would prefer to give credit to the taker of the kick. My biggest moan with Woods generally is his inability to read a game and command from his position.

Unsaveable ???? But if he had got to it : What a belter of a save that would have been.

Azza I agree 100%

Have to agree with Azza and Hound on this one.
If that free kick had been struck by a premiership player, or even Mr Beckham himself, it would be labelled in the 'worldie' class. I was unsure at the game, my seat by the corner flag didn't allow me to make comment, but having seen it on the telly 4 or 5 times, I'd go with Hounds very accurate description.
I'd also disagree with Mr Walker, Sully would have been routed to the spot for that one. Or if he'd have dived, it would have taken him 10 minutes to get off the floor!

Having seen the highlights on player DR4E, I have to agree with you.

There has been FAR too much criticism of Woods, but those same people NEVER post a thread complimenting him on good saves he makes.

It has to go both ways, but then again it takes all sorts.

Newyankee.wrong. i made a comment regarding a top save he did low down on his near post at the south end..And he has improved,but there is now way he should be picked in front of Sully
Sorry he could'nt command a tesco shopping trolley.

Lanzo, I was not speaking about anyone in particular, but if you go on VSC the people on there are a disgrace with the comments about Woods.

I am not saying he is the best in the world, but he does not deserve some of the nasty rearks made this season. Any goalkeeper making a mistake sees it blown out of proportion compared to an outfield player.

Garry Woods 38 games,154 shots on target,115 saves.
Joe Heart 29 games.72 shots on target 46 saves.

Do the maths for yourselves and leave the kid alone

I agree with the sentiment that he isnt a GREAT goalkeeper but he is young and learning and improving.
The funny thing is that he has played in all but one of our games and we are top of the league.
Now that cant be JUST be down to the defenders in front of him.
Pegdog, you say "if he had saved it what a belter of a save it would have been"
You could say that about almost any goal that goes past a diving goalkeeper.

NY - you make a valid point about outfield players not getting as much attention paid to their mistakes.
I have just watched to highlights again on sky sports and still cant believe that no-one has mentioned Cotterills lack of an attempt at a tackle as their player cut in before crossing for their second goal.

Hound

Cotterill hasn't been the same player since Saunders
left. He doesn't seem to do any defending, tracking back or tackling. It maybe bad to say it but he was our worst player sat and not for the first time i've had this discussion with zigger and dr4e about him. As opposed to copps on the other side or Husband.

Canadian you can't compare woods to hart in a million years! The defending in league 1 is no where near as good as the prem, you will always get more shots to save. Not to mention the quality of strikers is not as good as the prem. I wonder out of how many of those saves he's made has spilled out to an attacking player or has ended up in the net afterwards. As i've said earlier he hasn't performed to badly this season, but I do fear next season against better quality of players and teams he will come unstuck.

I reckon if Rob Jones wanted Sully instead of Woods then that's what would have happened. So I'll go along with Rob Jones on this one.

Hound, as far as I'm concerned Mr Cotterill is a one trip pony. This ability to cross the ball which thank fully we've had players on hand to score. Re the rest of his game he'd be luck to be playing non league football right now.

If he could get away with walking on to take set pieces then walking off I'm sure he would do it.

Sully had a good game against Bournemouth, but at 43 he cannot have a long-term future in the team.

When I have seen Woods he distributes the ball better than Sully and is more comfortable coming away from his line and acting as a sweeper like the best of the modern goalkeepers. In contrast Sully would often be hesitant in his distribution; he was OK when we had big men like McCammon that he could pick out with his kicks although this became very predictable, but he often sent the ball to the opposition and even putting the ball straight into touch was not uncommon; I think Woods shows more variation.

Shots from distance are all that many teams can hope for against our current defence, so there are probably more per game than was the case in the Championship when Sully was in goal. Consequently we see Woods conceding more.

These are generalisations I know, but the corollary of this is that Woods might be judged better than Sully because he probably does not let in as many goals struck from close range.

And I do remember Sully letting in soft goals as a result of careless mistakes from time to time.

Woods is a decent keeper. Some aspects of his game need work but then who can't improve. As for the remarks made about Cotterill, I am stunned. When he is on song he is close to unplayable. When he has a poor day offensively the one thing that you can depend on is that he will be racing back to tackle and help Quinn out. Do you blokes watch Rovers on ceefax?

Just to be clear albi - unlike 1Pel - I AM NOT having a go at Cotterill -i do understand what a valuable player he is to the team.
The point i raised was that he made a half hearted attempt at a tackle leading to their second goal.
I raised the point to emphasise what NY had said about outfield players not getting as much stick from fans as a goalie when they make a mistake.

If you think albi cotts races and tackles back you're very much mistaken and maybe its you who watches on ceefax! Offensively he's superb but defensively can he be bothered? That's the opinion I see of him.

albi

Sorry I agree with azza he can't tackle, sure he tracks back but rarely gets close enough to block crosses. His ability to jockey is non existent, his man often skips past him. Defensively 2 out of 10. Good job he can cross a ball!