BR has done better where it matters most than Kenny ever did without spanking a fortune up the wall. He is also doing well to repair the unmitigated disasters (e.g Andy Carroll) left behind by Kenny and also getting Kenny's signings to play... something Kenny couldn't do despite signing them himself!
I always tell ARE that his idea of how LFC should be run means that he wants a sugar daddy sheikh in charge otherwise its not humanly possible for LFC to be run the way he wants. Clearly still hung up over Kenny's sacking and unable to let go and move on
I just don't buy into the BR love in, he has been less successful than Dalglish and we are further way from winning trophies than we were last season. BR talks a good game as do the owners but next season mark my words we will be no further forward than we are now.
Once again Kenny won something and we were playing in Europe this season, next season we will start from having won nowt and not be in Europe, not sure how that is seen as an improvment on what Kenny achieved.
Kenny won something by the finest of margins. You may say it doesn't matter how you win, but you struggled to break down a team in a lower division and beat them on penalties. In one respect you won the trophy, but on the other hand luck played a massive part in it. If your only reasoning is that Kenny won something, then you're not looking at the wider picture.
Jay.
Who did Utd get knocked out by that season?
Yes, Kenny won a trophy after spending £100m, great. However we want to be back at the top, winning a trophy won't get us there. We need progress in the league, which will enable us to have a chance at sustained success.
BR talks a good game because he knows what he's doing, evidenced by this season. If you can't see the massive potential in this side and see how much better it is than Dalglish's side, then you're blind.
Kenny failed to progress towards the target after spending over £100m and there was no direction. BR has progressed towards the target and there's a direction, a very exciting one.
Who did Utd get knocked out by that season?
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This isn't about United, I'm trying to offer as unbiased view as possible on your current state of affairs. I'm not trying to belittle the win, but the claim that BR isn't making progress because Kenny won something is bizarre logic, given the circumstances in which it was won.
Rodgers has outlined a clear plan, and while I don't generally agree with his management techniques, or with him in general (Not knowing the offside rule It is clear that he needs more time. He hasn't spent an absolute fortune to get where he is, and I think he deserves at least 1 or 2 more seasons, and that is when you'll start to see the improvements.
I don't like Rodgers, but he is your best bet for the next few years.
Progress is measured in points or league position?
Champions League.....you're having a laugh
comment by Fellaini's Pirouette to Perfection - Fear... (U1308) posted 5 minutes ago
Progress is measured in points or league position?
Champions League.....you're having a laugh
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If you finish second on 80 points, in one season and then finish first on 75 points the next, which is better?
That's the easy answer to your question.
TOOR I think it works both ways to a degree. Points are an indicator of how many games you have won in a season, whereas position also accounts for how well the others in the league are doing. I think you have to look at both, especially if you're looking at 3rd-8th, imo.
How do you pick the splinters out?
comment by Jay. (U16498) posted 1 minute ago
TOOR I think it works both ways to a degree. Points are an indicator of how many games you have won in a season, whereas position also accounts for how well the others in the league are doing. I think you have to look at both, especially if you're looking at 3rd-8th, imo.
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I don't. I think your position tells you where you are, trophies are won because of your position, competitions are qualified for. Of course it's nice to rack up points but it means nothing unless compared to other teams and thus position is most important.
Dortmund stadium last night logged awesome
http://www.imgur.com/Fr6KFtb.jpeg
Progress in the league is unfortunately more important than a cup for LFC at this point in time. I don't understand how anyone cannot see that unless they are blind! I am glad Rodgers recognises this.
GB is either a wum or extremely mentally ill. Either way he's becoming extremely boring and monotonous.
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A bit harsh Term
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It may seem harsh, but are you not bored with the same old nonsense he comes out with? It was maybe mildly amusing at first, but the more articles he produces without a hint of realism in it, is making me think he's on the wum, lighting the paper if you like. Think about it, what's the most common thing we get labeled with? It's the delusion tag, and every article GB comes out with is pure delusion....
By the end of Kenny's reign, we were a completely rudderless outfit, bereft of any semblance of genuine creativity (does launching balls into the box from 40 yards out after some tentative and laboured passing sound familiar to anyone here?), we were easy to beat and, to be quite frank, I wanted signings like Carroll, Downing and Adam gone.
Don't get me wrong, we need to improve under Rodgers - the chasmic difference, though, is that we look like we can become a good, flexible team under Rodgers, whereas Kenny had no ideas left by the end of last season. The Carling Cup win was nice, but it's not the sort of thing that can excuse an expensively assembled team that had begun to look absolutely lost, especially since we embarked on a run of relegation form not too long afterwards.
To say that our league position is similar to last year but we're minus a Carling Cup, therefore Rodgers is doing an equal or worse job than Kenny is vastly over-simplifying things. I cannot for one second see how someone could look at the respective personnel and team setups of Rodgers now and Kenny last year and actually believe that there was more chance of us going forward under Kenny.
Looking at the key players this season....
Well how many have been BR signing?
Allen....really?
Borini....
Its been Gerrard....Suarez and Johnson.
None signed by Bren.
Yes, Gerrard has had quite a good goal per month ratio this season.
Fellaini
How about Sturridge and Coutinho?
Sturridge not so much recently, though he had a flying start. Coutinho has looked good
Sturridge and Countinho, have had decent starts nothing overly impressive I could they have have been key players due to the small number of games they have played.
Just out of intrest when did sturridge last score? He started well. Countinho was immense against Tottenham but versus Southampton was awful.
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Let's not forget that it's been Rodgers' system that has gotten the sort of form from Gerrard (in terms of goals and assists as well as overall influence on games) that makes it look like he's in his prime. Suarez has been at a new level under Rodgers, too.
As for his signings, Borini's the only one so far that I wouldn't mind us selling. Allen showed at the start of the season that he can be very good when fit, Coutinho looks very good and Sturridge won't be the most consistent but will be dangerous.
I don't like Rodgers
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Well, Jay, your manager is a decent bloke.
Congratulations for taking one part of my comment and making a judgement...Care to voice an opinion about anything else I said? Where did I say Fergie was a saint? Why am I not allowed an opinion of your manager? I said I don't like him, or his style, but that he was clearly the best option for you. But please, feel free to paint me as some sort of hypocrite if it suits you.
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posted on 10/4/13
BR has done better where it matters most than Kenny ever did without spanking a fortune up the wall. He is also doing well to repair the unmitigated disasters (e.g Andy Carroll) left behind by Kenny and also getting Kenny's signings to play... something Kenny couldn't do despite signing them himself!
I always tell ARE that his idea of how LFC should be run means that he wants a sugar daddy sheikh in charge otherwise its not humanly possible for LFC to be run the way he wants. Clearly still hung up over Kenny's sacking and unable to let go and move on
posted on 10/4/13
I just don't buy into the BR love in, he has been less successful than Dalglish and we are further way from winning trophies than we were last season. BR talks a good game as do the owners but next season mark my words we will be no further forward than we are now.
Once again Kenny won something and we were playing in Europe this season, next season we will start from having won nowt and not be in Europe, not sure how that is seen as an improvment on what Kenny achieved.
posted on 10/4/13
Kenny won something by the finest of margins. You may say it doesn't matter how you win, but you struggled to break down a team in a lower division and beat them on penalties. In one respect you won the trophy, but on the other hand luck played a massive part in it. If your only reasoning is that Kenny won something, then you're not looking at the wider picture.
posted on 10/4/13
Jay.
Who did Utd get knocked out by that season?
posted on 10/4/13
Yes, Kenny won a trophy after spending £100m, great. However we want to be back at the top, winning a trophy won't get us there. We need progress in the league, which will enable us to have a chance at sustained success.
BR talks a good game because he knows what he's doing, evidenced by this season. If you can't see the massive potential in this side and see how much better it is than Dalglish's side, then you're blind.
Kenny failed to progress towards the target after spending over £100m and there was no direction. BR has progressed towards the target and there's a direction, a very exciting one.
posted on 10/4/13
Who did Utd get knocked out by that season?
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This isn't about United, I'm trying to offer as unbiased view as possible on your current state of affairs. I'm not trying to belittle the win, but the claim that BR isn't making progress because Kenny won something is bizarre logic, given the circumstances in which it was won.
Rodgers has outlined a clear plan, and while I don't generally agree with his management techniques, or with him in general (Not knowing the offside rule It is clear that he needs more time. He hasn't spent an absolute fortune to get where he is, and I think he deserves at least 1 or 2 more seasons, and that is when you'll start to see the improvements.
I don't like Rodgers, but he is your best bet for the next few years.
posted on 10/4/13
Progress is measured in points or league position?
Champions League.....you're having a laugh
posted on 10/4/13
comment by Fellaini's Pirouette to Perfection - Fear... (U1308) posted 5 minutes ago
Progress is measured in points or league position?
Champions League.....you're having a laugh
-------------------------------------------------
If you finish second on 80 points, in one season and then finish first on 75 points the next, which is better?
That's the easy answer to your question.
posted on 10/4/13
TOOR I think it works both ways to a degree. Points are an indicator of how many games you have won in a season, whereas position also accounts for how well the others in the league are doing. I think you have to look at both, especially if you're looking at 3rd-8th, imo.
posted on 10/4/13
How do you pick the splinters out?
posted on 10/4/13
comment by Jay. (U16498) posted 1 minute ago
TOOR I think it works both ways to a degree. Points are an indicator of how many games you have won in a season, whereas position also accounts for how well the others in the league are doing. I think you have to look at both, especially if you're looking at 3rd-8th, imo.
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I don't. I think your position tells you where you are, trophies are won because of your position, competitions are qualified for. Of course it's nice to rack up points but it means nothing unless compared to other teams and thus position is most important.
posted on 10/4/13
Dortmund stadium last night logged awesome
http://www.imgur.com/Fr6KFtb.jpeg
posted on 10/4/13
Progress in the league is unfortunately more important than a cup for LFC at this point in time. I don't understand how anyone cannot see that unless they are blind! I am glad Rodgers recognises this.
posted on 10/4/13
GB is either a wum or extremely mentally ill. Either way he's becoming extremely boring and monotonous.
=================================
A bit harsh Term
---------/----
It may seem harsh, but are you not bored with the same old nonsense he comes out with? It was maybe mildly amusing at first, but the more articles he produces without a hint of realism in it, is making me think he's on the wum, lighting the paper if you like. Think about it, what's the most common thing we get labeled with? It's the delusion tag, and every article GB comes out with is pure delusion....
posted on 10/4/13
Looked
posted on 10/4/13
By the end of Kenny's reign, we were a completely rudderless outfit, bereft of any semblance of genuine creativity (does launching balls into the box from 40 yards out after some tentative and laboured passing sound familiar to anyone here?), we were easy to beat and, to be quite frank, I wanted signings like Carroll, Downing and Adam gone.
Don't get me wrong, we need to improve under Rodgers - the chasmic difference, though, is that we look like we can become a good, flexible team under Rodgers, whereas Kenny had no ideas left by the end of last season. The Carling Cup win was nice, but it's not the sort of thing that can excuse an expensively assembled team that had begun to look absolutely lost, especially since we embarked on a run of relegation form not too long afterwards.
To say that our league position is similar to last year but we're minus a Carling Cup, therefore Rodgers is doing an equal or worse job than Kenny is vastly over-simplifying things. I cannot for one second see how someone could look at the respective personnel and team setups of Rodgers now and Kenny last year and actually believe that there was more chance of us going forward under Kenny.
posted on 10/4/13
Looking at the key players this season....
Well how many have been BR signing?
Allen....really?
Borini....
Its been Gerrard....Suarez and Johnson.
None signed by Bren.
posted on 10/4/13
Yes, Gerrard has had quite a good goal per month ratio this season.
posted on 10/4/13
Fellaini
How about Sturridge and Coutinho?
posted on 10/4/13
Sturridge not so much recently, though he had a flying start. Coutinho has looked good
posted on 10/4/13
Sturridge and Countinho, have had decent starts nothing overly impressive I could they have have been key players due to the small number of games they have played.
Just out of intrest when did sturridge last score? He started well. Countinho was immense against Tottenham but versus Southampton was awful.
posted on 10/4/13
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posted on 10/4/13
Let's not forget that it's been Rodgers' system that has gotten the sort of form from Gerrard (in terms of goals and assists as well as overall influence on games) that makes it look like he's in his prime. Suarez has been at a new level under Rodgers, too.
As for his signings, Borini's the only one so far that I wouldn't mind us selling. Allen showed at the start of the season that he can be very good when fit, Coutinho looks very good and Sturridge won't be the most consistent but will be dangerous.
posted on 10/4/13
I don't like Rodgers
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Well, Jay, your manager is a decent bloke.
posted on 10/4/13
Congratulations for taking one part of my comment and making a judgement...Care to voice an opinion about anything else I said? Where did I say Fergie was a saint? Why am I not allowed an opinion of your manager? I said I don't like him, or his style, but that he was clearly the best option for you. But please, feel free to paint me as some sort of hypocrite if it suits you.
Muppet...
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