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I can understand heat of the moment but Weares comment was a pretty well thought out comment so he had time to think about it, wasn't like he said one word, he typed a few lines
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Not really Oscar?! That is one thing I dont agree with, about as haphazard a comment I have seen written on here
That is the problem, even in the heat of argument we cannot excuse a racial remark, because the person of color is not by choice.
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I liked 'weare.'
Can someone give me an idea of what he said without getting themselves in trouble?
He was always pretty close to the edge but seemed like a good guy!
Where is Weare. He was my mate. Campaign to get him back if he has been banned.
If there is no explicit reference to race, what's the difference between the Ade remark and calling Rafa a fat Spanish waiter? How can we be sure one remark is completely detached from any form of racist thinking, or why must we assume that the other is inherently based on racism and not nationality (which is seemingly deemed acceptable is directed towards Caucasians)? It's a very fine line imo.
Surely both are derisive slurs. In Rafa's case though, it's taken to be based on nationality - i.e. more xenophobic than racist (although whether or not xenophobia is a form of racism is debatable) - but what if the comment's made by a non-white?
I don't think the extraction of someone who uses the Rafa slur is ever even considered. Why? Is it impossible to be racist towards a Caucasian if you don't make a specific reference to skin? Can you get away with anything depending on your ethnic background? Is that right? Conversely, is it ok for someone of African extraction to make the Ade remark? Are we sure we're setting the right standards here?
We've heard and many agree with positive discrimination (this is an entirely different debate), but I don't think there can be such as thing as positive racism.
Are we too quick to cry racist in certain cases, or should we broaden our definition of what is considered racist?
Food for thought - hopefully.
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http://www.ja606.co.uk/comments/viewAllComments/200905/77
IOAG, it got deemed a non-racist term in a court of law (I read)
However I think it was used with the intent of being racist, which does make it racist. If that makes sense.
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Hmmmm....
Can see why he got banned for it because of how many people were clearly upset by it. It's not as bad as I was expecting though.
Edin, I wasn't around and didn't read the comment, I'm simply extrapolating.
Loyaulte, sometimes there's a very fine line between them imo.
That isn't even a racist comment, doesn't even mention his race or skin colour.
His dad washes elephants (or that's how the song went) so basically telling Adebayor to give up football and go wash elephants.
It's no different to me telling some useless shop worker to get back to licking windows cos that's all he'd be good at.
Facking hell some people over-react to nothing, also the police have said saying someone washes elephants is not racist nor is swinging from trees.
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The comment isn't racist an all. However I have seen on numerous occassions comments he made which were borderline. Somebody was telling me about someone on the Spurs board having a Youtube account with racist language used, which was deleted. Forget who it was.
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Telling someone to fack off out of our club and using the chant that we had for him to emphasise it is no problem in my eyes. If he said it about another black player then I can see that would be considered racist as the link is the player's colour, not the chant.
Bring back weare
I'm sure Mr C knows. He knows all.
Notwithstanding my initial comment, I do sympathise with the Admins. They have some very difficult decisions to make considering how sensitive these issues are and the grey areas involved.
Has anybody considered that he wasn't banned for it being racist but for it being xenophobic?
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I can understand heat of the moment but Weares comment was a pretty well thought out comment so he had time to think about it, wasn't like he said one word, he typed a few lines
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Not really Oscar?! That is one thing I dont agree with, about as haphazard a comment I have seen written on here
posted on 12/4/13
That is the problem, even in the heat of argument we cannot excuse a racial remark, because the person of color is not by choice.
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I liked 'weare.'
Can someone give me an idea of what he said without getting themselves in trouble?
He was always pretty close to the edge but seemed like a good guy!
posted on 12/4/13
Where is Weare. He was my mate. Campaign to get him back if he has been banned.
posted on 12/4/13
If there is no explicit reference to race, what's the difference between the Ade remark and calling Rafa a fat Spanish waiter? How can we be sure one remark is completely detached from any form of racist thinking, or why must we assume that the other is inherently based on racism and not nationality (which is seemingly deemed acceptable is directed towards Caucasians)? It's a very fine line imo.
Surely both are derisive slurs. In Rafa's case though, it's taken to be based on nationality - i.e. more xenophobic than racist (although whether or not xenophobia is a form of racism is debatable) - but what if the comment's made by a non-white?
I don't think the extraction of someone who uses the Rafa slur is ever even considered. Why? Is it impossible to be racist towards a Caucasian if you don't make a specific reference to skin? Can you get away with anything depending on your ethnic background? Is that right? Conversely, is it ok for someone of African extraction to make the Ade remark? Are we sure we're setting the right standards here?
We've heard and many agree with positive discrimination (this is an entirely different debate), but I don't think there can be such as thing as positive racism.
Are we too quick to cry racist in certain cases, or should we broaden our definition of what is considered racist?
Food for thought - hopefully.
posted on 12/4/13
Just scroll down French
http://www.ja606.co.uk/comments/viewAllComments/200905/77
posted on 12/4/13
IOAG, it got deemed a non-racist term in a court of law (I read)
However I think it was used with the intent of being racist, which does make it racist. If that makes sense.
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Hmmmm....
Can see why he got banned for it because of how many people were clearly upset by it. It's not as bad as I was expecting though.
posted on 12/4/13
Edin, I wasn't around and didn't read the comment, I'm simply extrapolating.
Loyaulte, sometimes there's a very fine line between them imo.
posted on 12/4/13
That isn't even a racist comment, doesn't even mention his race or skin colour.
His dad washes elephants (or that's how the song went) so basically telling Adebayor to give up football and go wash elephants.
It's no different to me telling some useless shop worker to get back to licking windows cos that's all he'd be good at.
Facking hell some people over-react to nothing, also the police have said saying someone washes elephants is not racist nor is swinging from trees.
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The comment isn't racist an all. However I have seen on numerous occassions comments he made which were borderline. Somebody was telling me about someone on the Spurs board having a Youtube account with racist language used, which was deleted. Forget who it was.
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Telling someone to fack off out of our club and using the chant that we had for him to emphasise it is no problem in my eyes. If he said it about another black player then I can see that would be considered racist as the link is the player's colour, not the chant.
Bring back weare
posted on 12/4/13
I'm sure Mr C knows. He knows all.
posted on 12/4/13
Notwithstanding my initial comment, I do sympathise with the Admins. They have some very difficult decisions to make considering how sensitive these issues are and the grey areas involved.
posted on 12/4/13
Has anybody considered that he wasn't banned for it being racist but for it being xenophobic?
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