My point was that I won`t go repeating myself, but if it helps.................

in my opinion, the shuffling of the deck will make no difference, so I don`t believe that 12-12-18 is any worse, or better, than the current setup. We have too many teams.

The Swiss ditched it, yes, but for what? Anybody here checked? They have 2 leagues of 10, playing each other 4 times a season. We say we don`t want that, but the Swiss say that it has helped their game. Do we still want to accept their opinion, or only the bits that we don`t like?

Our game might not be great, but it will never die, thanks to the fans. Yes, the clubs should listen to the fans, but I think anyone who believes that St Mirren and Ross County made their decisions based on fans` opinions is very naive.

"In real terms you are closing the gap between the Partick Thistle, Morton, Falkirks of the world and the Dundee, Killie, St Mirren's etc."

Explain to me then how a big league of 18 or 20 cant do that also??

Would having all these teams in one league, with the same redistribution of wealth, and all getting old firm gate receipts into the bargain, not spread the wealth even more??

The thing is that the "Mcleish" report c.2010 proposes to leagues of 10. Yet after doing all the work on this HE now decides this crazy structure is for the greater good!

Strange that nobody seems consistent!

Apparent fae "I wont quit" Doncaster

To be honest this whole thing stinks of the same bullying and blackmailing tactics of the 5 way agreement. The SPL clubs were the driving force behind that too.

Language like now or never, take it or leave it and all or nothing is hardly what i would call fair and open discussion.

Never mind the fact that it sounds more like the dialougue from 1990's action movies.

Explain to me then how a big league of 18 or 20 cant do that also??
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Why don't we just do a massive round robin between all 42 clubs? Spread the wealth perectly even between all clubs.

We have too many club in this country to begin with. Making our top league 20 would be insane. There isn't any other countries with a population near ours that has 18 or 20 top league. Belgium is double our population and they cut it from 18 to 16. Switzerland has 2m more than us and they cut it to two league of 10 with regionalised leagues underneath. Comparable Scandanavian countries like Denmark and Finland have 12 top league teams. Sweden has 4m more people than us and went with 16.

I don't want a bigger league and I wanted the 12-12 8-8-8 to go through. Apparently the vast majority of fans want a bigger league but listening to the fans goes against what works in every single other small nation in Europe.

I don't want a bigger league and I wanted the 12-12 8-8-8 to go through. Apparently the vast majority of fans want a bigger league but listening to the fans goes against what works in every single other small nation in Europe.
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Sometimes listening to the fans isnt the right way to go. This may have been made worse by the fact very little accurate info was realised regarding reconstruction.

Fans want one governing body, cap on ticket pricing, summer football, fairer voting rights....am I missing anything?

I said earlier that the league format is very little impact on the overall standard of the game.

realised = released*

There's 53 countries with leagues in Uefa

20 team top division:
England, France, Italy, Spain

18 team top division:
Germany, Holland, Romania, Turkey

16 team top division:
Belgium, Bosnia, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Greece, Hungary, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Russia, Serbia, Sweden, Ukraine

15 team top division:
San Marino

14 team top division:
Albania, Cyprus, Finland, Israel, Luxembourg, Moldova

12 team top division:
Azerbaijan, Denmark, Iceland, Montenegro, Macedonia, Northern Ireland, Slovakia, Wales and SCOTLAND

11 team top division:
Belarus, Faroe Islands, Lithuania, Ireland

10 team top division:
Austria, Estonia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Malta, Slovenia, Switzerland

8 team top division:
Andorra, Armenia

7 team top division:
Lichtenstein

Including us, 24 out of the 53 countries in Uefa have a 12 team top tier or less, about 45%

Nordsjælland, BATE and Celtic were the only clubs from these leagues that made it into the Champions League this season

FC Copenhagen, Basel and Maribor where the only other clubs form these leagues that made it to the Champions League play off round.

Young Boys, Copenhagen, Basel, Neftchi Baku, Maribor, and Rapid Vienna were the only tesam from these leagues to make it to the Europa League proper

Hearts, Dila Gori, Midtyjlland, Horsens, Dudelange, Motherwell, Mura, Ekranas, Lucerne and Zeta were the only other clubs from these leagues to reach the play off round of the Europa League

So from these leagues,with 42 Champions League places to fill, only 3 made the groups and 3 made the play offs.....14% of Champions League playoff and groups stage teams came from these smaller leagues

and out of 79 Europa League places to be filled, 6 made the group stages, and 10 made the play off rounds. 13% of Europa League group stage and play off stages teams came from these leagues.

At International level, according to the FIFA world rankings, only Switzerland, Denmark and Montenegro are in the top 20 UEFA teams and top 30 in the world