Plus arsenal's style of play would inhibit most wingers. The first thing they should do is retain possession, look at Nasri, Wenger loved him because he did just that. But it's not working out for him at City where he's expected to do a lot more.

The only thing holding Theo back is his decision making. He is actually quite skilful, but he hides a lot. He's slowly regaining authority over the last 2 seasons, I expect a big year for him next year.

Powerking I remember that goal. Was a brilliant run from Theo and laid it off for Adebayor? Playstation goal wasnt it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A8vwnrI-Rc

If you look at it here though, its his style of dribbling that will always be the problem. When he's running in a straight line and at speed, he can knock it past a defender easily but say for example he has to dodge 2/3 players who are bunched up together, he would find it difficult as his close control is not there.

Tbf, even Ronaldo struggles when up against 2-3 defenders. When up against one, I'd say 80% of the time he will get past that player.

It's Messi who is truly amazing at dribbling past 2-3 players (even 5 or 6) in one dribble. I've never seen anything quite like him.

Yeh RVPM. Even Bale is the same to be honest although I think his close control is slightly better, his dribbling is similar to Theo's in that he uses speed and power to get past and not trickery. Its just that Bale right now has a bit more ammo in his locker to get past the keeper.

I'm not putting him down or anything, but I swear the only thing Bale has improved is his distance shooting. He really looks as if he's been practising those like there's no tomorrow. The rest of his attributes have stayed the same really.

Partly. The fact that he scores mostly against Spurs, Untied, Chelsea etc would seem to refute your parenthesised claim.

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Yeah nice, a goal against Chelsea in a game you lost, a goal against United after we already won the league, and a goal against Spurs in a game where you scored 5.

You make him out to be world class, like you probably do with all your players.

Who has said he is world class? It seems to be other team's fans who say it the most.

And he's actually scored a fair few goals against Chelsea and Spurs over the years.

Yeah nice, a goal against Chelsea in a game you lost, a goal against United after we already won the league, and a goal against Spurs in a game where you scored 5.

You make him out to be world class, like you probably do with all your players.

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Jesus Christ. There is no point attempting a debate, clearly on the WUM or unbelievably moronic.

And he's actually scored a fair few goals against Chelsea and Spurs over the years.

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Exactly my point, United and Liverpool too, and Barcelona at their peak. But you know, because I said he'll never be world class that's basically me blindly defending him and saying he's world class

Jesus Christ. There is no point attempting a debate, clearly on the WUM or unbelievably moronic.

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And name calling is of course the pinnacle of debating.

in answer to the question.

no.

And name calling is of course the pinnacle of debating.

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That wasn't name calling. But you clearly are being facetious, you ignored all my points bar one which for which your laughable counter-argument was to highlight three goals out of 11 or 12 against United, Chelsea and Spurs and dismiss them as irrelevant despite a complete lack of a coherent reason for a single on of these, and then followed it up with "You make him out to be world class, like you probably do with all your players." How exactly are you not fishing for a bite? And what are you doing on the Arsenal board if not seeking to annoy people?

Thank god it's Friday is all I can say.

RVPM it does help if you have Bale's physique as well

comment by Bestie (U1113)

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So your argument now is to tell me what I wrote. I want to see evidence that suggests Walcott is anything more than a hard working fast running squad player.

So your argument now is to tell me what I wrote. I want to see evidence that suggests Walcott is anything more than a hard working fast running squad player.

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It was a strawperson argument. That wasn't my argument; that has been presented over several different posts in the thread previously which you chose to ignore due to an inability to refute them.

I've given you plenty of evidence, a range from my personal observations watching him every week to the fact that he's scored a great number of goals against big teams in big games that have proved crucial.

Anyway, I'm off. I looked forward to United signing Walcott and him then being portrayed by yourself as a sensational talent and the key to England's future.

a range from my personal observations watching him every week to the fact that he's scored a great number of goals against big teams in big games that have proved crucial.

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Crucial to what? It's not like his goals have dragged your team to success.

Success is top 4 these days for us Fergie, so without his contribution we would be nowhere near it.

As PKH says, success is relative. For us top four is success. For Norwich, survival is success and for Chelsea, United and City winning a trophy is success.

Walcott although a total has helped us to get into a position to achieve top four.

Shouldn't be bothered by the ability of a player employed by rivals, but nevermind, i'll throw my two pence in.

Dubbed, an honest question.
Do you really believe Bale has achieved a level vastly superior to Theo? I don't.
Now, don't get me wrong, he is a fine player, a pure athlete and has a good shot. However, his delivery from wide areas and short passing is still quite inconsistent, albeit improved. And despite his crucial goals there are enough examples where he goes into hiding (although he might pop up with the winning goal). Goals of course win games. But he does not run/dominate games which would be an expectation from a player branded 'world class'.
IMO what he has worked on heavily is his shooting, esp long shots. He has hit some crucial goals thus becoming a match winner for Spurs.
But to talk of him as a player whose ability is beyond Theo is a bit far-fetched.

Walcott has some moments of brilliance, that chip against Villareal I remember thinking I didn't know he was capable of that and he pulls off some crazy skills every now and again. He's just frustrating because he doesn't do it often enough and is so inconsistent but he scored 20 goals and improved a lot in the last 2 years so have to give him credit.

comment by • Tu Meke Santi • (U3732)

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I'm not putting him down or anything, but I swear the only thing Bale has improved is his distance shooting. He really looks as if he's been practising those like there's no tomorrow. The rest of his attributes have stayed the same really.
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<clap> Tu Meke
seems you wrote it here first.

Walcott will get Messi/Ronaldo like stats next season.

This is what I don't understand with fans. You all a&e Bale and then think why isn't Walcott doing that.

Forget the comparison, Bale is ahead of pretty much any player in the league. However, you look at what Walcott gives in comparison to Nani, Valencia, young, Lennon or any other wide man in the league and you will see he is miles ahead

Castor. No doubt Walcott is devastating. You cant knock his stats this season. Hes more like a right sided forward than a conventional type winger imo as you won't see Utd or spurs putting Lennon or vValencia through on goal like arsenal do with Walcott