SouthLondonManc (U12028)

You don't need to query. It's simply because his teams are not set up correctly. They have been set up with a small time mentality. Not winning away to those teams is disgraceful. If he can't win when it matters, see fa cup against Wigan for evidence and other big games, it shows he installs a weak mentality into his players. Obviously can't motivate them like the best managers can. Ronaldo was talking about Jose and Ferguson and he said both have this unique ability to motivate their players before games to win them.

hink of all the great managers and all the great teams that real had before during the time they never managed to get past the last 16? it was a great achievement, because it was a massive improvement in the standards at one of the biggest clubs in the world.

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I'm sorry but you must be on the WUM now. I refuse to believe anyone can be this stupid.

If he can't win when it matters, see fa cup against Wigan for evidence and other big games, it shows he installs a weak mentality into his players. Obviously can't motivate them like the best managers can.

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And yet Everton beat United in the semis in 2009 to get to the final. Maybe Sir Alex was a poor motivator too..

Rafael's curls (U17937)

One bad dip from Moyes, these same fans will be wanting Moyes out. Was only a while ago Rob was saying Rafael was not good enough. Wonder how long it will take him.

there is already a case for Jose to be the best manager ever.

Titles in all of the 3 top leagues, beat the greatest team ever to the title in Spain and won the CL with two clubs.

And a slew of other trophies as well as a title in his home country.

He could retire today and would have a record not bettered by anyone.

I don't really like him and he has noteable flaws but his record is unequaled and he's the only manager to have the full set of the biggest medals.

Was only a while ago Rob was saying Rafael was not good enough.

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He wasn't. Then he improved and I noted that. If Moyes isn't good enough then he will go. Same as anyone else. Mourinho has been fired for not being good enough. It happens.

I think yes. He likes to have massive amounts of cash to spend so the chelsea job suits him much better.

Utd operate the club much differently with much less cash avaiable.

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Robb - Optimist Prime (U9808)

You don't have common sense. That was a one off occasion where Utd put precedence on the PL and CL. Or do you forget that Macheada and Welbeck started and Rafa and Fabio were full backs. But of course, you use that as an example . Still took Moyes penalties and stupid miss by Bertatov.

I've never once said that Moyes is better than Jose. But what I have done is say that it's impossible to compare.

Until Moyes manages a big club (or Jose manages Everton for a few years) you can't compare.

Now we will see what Moyes is made of.

Robb - Optimist Prime (U9808)

No, Rafael was always good enough. I've been stating this since 09. Rafael always had the talent and anyone with half a brain could see that. He just lacked maturity and was injury prone but the talent was clearly there. You stated it was not!

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TheKaisersTrainers (U5676)

Exactly, Jose is one of the greatest managers of all time! Yet Moyes who has won nothing is better because he's never been given a chance and is Scottish

from 2005 to 2010 real never got past the second round. they always spent loads of money on the best managers and the best players. then jose comes along and suddenly they get to the semis three times in a row. surely even you can put your hatred of jose aside for a second and realise what the deciding factor in this improvement was

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I don't hate Mourinho at all but look at how much money Real spent around the time that Jose came. We're talking hundreds of millions. If you really think that getting to a few semi finals is something that should be applauded then you're deluded.

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He just lacked maturity

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Which is what I always said. Then last summer he grew up mentally and was a United quality right back. I can't see how when you yourself just said he lacked maturity that it made him 'good enough' back then.

Rob

No matter what you want to say. The fact of the matter is, Jose is more qualified for the United job. Moyes "may" become a great manager but I also may become a millionaire. You can't quantify that though can you? Jose c.v is preety much there. He's done it and see it and is the same age as Moyes. Thus, he is better baring a miracle by Moyes.

Most managers have to start at a lower level and work their way up, and at some point they will get a chance at a top club - Moyes is no different in that aspect. If you respect Fergie as a manager (and by no means is Fergie perfect, but I like to think that all Utd fans can respect his achievements), then surely you can respect his recommendation of Moyes. Whoever our next manager was going to be, not everyone would be satisfied, but let's at least get behind the guy and give him our full support. It amazes me when some people come on here with their 10 years of playing championship manager and are obviously experts on who should be running the club, team formations, and transfer targets, without any realistic idea of how to run a club.

I am not sure what anyone would have expected Moyes to win at Everton, and if most us of rate Wenger as a manager, then what has he won in the last 8 years, with greater funds and better squad. Sure, it would have been nice if Everton had won a cup or two in Moyes time, but that requires a bit of luck also (how long is it since we won the FA Cup?). Picking individual results is just folly, and was there a bigger bottle than us throwing the league away to City (with all of our so called experience?)

I will be interested to see how Martinez does at Everton, because I think he will have a tougher job there than Moyes will here - there are so many clubs of similar standing outside the big 6, and Everton has been the only one that has consistently finished in the top 8 (some clubs aren't even in the same league)

Just as we have never gone for real 'mega-names' in the transfer market, I think some fans are not realistic in who we would target as our manager. For me Moyes is the best British manager out there after Fergie, and I am glad that we have given him a chance. What worries me is that some people almost seem desperate to see Moyes fail, rather than want him to do well, and therefore the club to do well. If it doesn't work out, then so be it, but no manager will guarantee you success, so let's give Moyes a proper chance, rather than been on his back from day one.

look how much money city have spent. never got out of the group stage. and it isn't as if the money was spent only when jose was there, it was spent before he came mainly. if you think all it takes is money to get into the best 4 teams in europe then you are deluded.

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Um, difference being that City were new boys on the block and got put in 2 difficult groups where Real were always in easy groups (until this season).

Ask any Real Madrid fan and they'll tell you that semi finals are not good enough, especially when the team has Ronaldo in it.

Was only a while ago Rob was saying Rafael was not good enough.

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He wasn't. Then he improved and I noted that. If Moyes isn't good enough then he will go. Same as anyone else. Mourinho has been fired for not being good enough. It happens.

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So you are happy saying Rafael isn't good enough but not Moyes?

Robb - Optimist Prime (U9808)

He lacked maturity but was certainly good enough because he was better than anyone else at Utd at right back. He was never going to gain maturity by sitting on the bench and watching make shift full backs.

No matter what you want to say. The fact of the matter is, Jose is more qualified for the United job. Moyes "may" become a great manager but I also may become a millionaire. You can't quantify that though can you? Jose c.v is preety much there. He's done it and see it and is the same age as Moyes. Thus, he is better baring a miracle by Moyes.

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Silly example. You will probably never be a millionaire.
But Moyes is already a well respected manager and will be given every chance to be a success because he's taking over a quality squad.

When you talk about Jose's CV, of course there is success but there is a lot of failure too.

Sacked from Chelsea, 3 seasons at Real without a whole lot to show for it. This past season not only did he win nothing even with a weaker Barca and faltering Athletico Madrid but he pisssed off a large number of his own players.

Quite why you think United would want that kind of new uncertainty at the club is beyond me.

kinsang (U3346)

Best British manager but not best manager out there. Believe it or not, if Moyes drops us to 4th in the table, he will not be here for long. The fans will put the pressure on the Glazers to sack him. Do you really think OT and the Utd fan base will allow Utd to go trophy less for a few seasons? Utd fans were protesting for the glazers to leave even though we were winning things. There is no way he will be given any more leeway than the next guy. He must start fast.

Robb - Optimist Prime (U9808)

You can say that Moyes has been a failure. He kept Everton mid table but he never really progressed them after that. That could also be considered a failure.

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