Tbh can't see the 24hr thing causing much of an issue with anyone.
At first I thought it was stupid, however my xbox is plugged in all the time anyway. Only issue is for people without internet access
They're still loads that will buy. Although it'll undersell compared to ps4.
Xbox doesn't work in Poland, portugal, singapore
Plenty of people who don't have internet or a stable connection
I wouldn't touch xbox one with a chop stick
"I wouldn't touch xbox one with a chop stick"
I've never touched any console with a chop stick
Well the PS4 will outsell it by a big margin I think.
I don't think they will change much though, they will just take the hit and try and make up for it next gen. This is Microsoft.
Well it seems that M$ do listen but will take a year or so to implement (8.1 by all accounts will see the return of the start button). Also M$ will want to see Xbone continue after end of this season of console wars so a patch will go live at some point to turn off 24hr checks as M$ will wanna open up these servers for "a better use".
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The start button doesn't bring back the original start menu, just brings up the metro interface. They tried to make everything look the same on their windows platform, but forgot that desktop users use it differently than touch screen users.
It's like they finally got the touchscreen interface right and then they screw up the non-touch screen one.
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The "Old fashioned" start button that removes half a dozen extra clicks that you now need to do in 8. And the tiles are only good for "dumb" end users. Windows 8 is the same as an iOS O/S not designed to be changed and a pain in the ar$e for any type of advanced use.
No shortcuts work on windows 8 like they use to,
alt + F4,
Windows +U
Windows+L
Its nonsense. so long winded to get to control panel and do anything you need too.
Why was this a problem?
All you have to do is download a software, there are free ones out there, that will bring back the old style start button.
I spent 2 days with the Metro interface, seemed nice, but ended up going back to the old way due to some annoying things on Metro.
The option to replace your start button is already there.
No it doesn't, if you set up your tabs there is no extra effort.
However taking 10 minutes out to actually have a play with windows 8 and figure out how to get it to work quickly for you is 10 more minutes than the average idiot is willing to take before going on the internet and screaming START BUTTON at any forum they can find.
My "Chinese" copy of Windows 7 packed up on me just after 8 was released so I took the plunge went to pc world and got myself a copy of 8. Its not the best operating system ever however it is perfectly functional and quick and easy to use.
To be honest I doubt ill ever buy another OS again after it, 10 years ago flat screen monitors were top end, now you get them on every pc and in shops cheap as chips, the same thing will happen with touch screen monitors, and when it does ill have an operating system that I like and can use with them.
Windows 8 works beautifully well on a tablet.
Matty, from a design and interface point of view, if something takes 10 mins to sort out then its a failure. The UI is suppose to be simple and quick. MS screwed up here.
The end user wants some to use right now, not take time out to learn some thing that they could do previously faster.
Besides,you don't get iOS on Mac computers.
Matty i am talking beyond normal end users - hence i said "dumb" end user in which they do not need or want to go beyond what 8 does well. There is nothing overly wrong with the metro interface on either tablet or normal monitor but from the tech side of things vs 7 and Server it can be an ass and a hassle. Though 7 started this trend with some ott security that after years still does my nut in.
If you can't be bothered spending ten minutes doing the demo then you don't deserve an internet connection.
Its a totally new piece of software.
It is simple and quick, dead simple and quick.
And to be honest i am rounding up anyway, it took me less than a minute to figure out where all the basics were, i just said ten as their really are some stupid people out there.
The Metro UI with a mouse and keyboard is crap.
Mattyp (U8926) an OS like Windows needs to cater for the ''dumb" user as Simon West put it. That is what made the iOS a hit as it caters for ''dumb" users. It is also why OS like the many Linux distrubutions out there don't get a look in when they are less bloatware and have improved their UI since it first started (that and games and software available - but games and software will follow if the Linux can get more users).
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posted on 18/6/13
Tbh can't see the 24hr thing causing much of an issue with anyone.
At first I thought it was stupid, however my xbox is plugged in all the time anyway. Only issue is for people without internet access
posted on 18/6/13
It won't flop.
posted on 18/6/13
They're still loads that will buy. Although it'll undersell compared to ps4.
posted on 18/6/13
Xbox doesn't work in Poland, portugal, singapore
Plenty of people who don't have internet or a stable connection
I wouldn't touch xbox one with a chop stick
posted on 18/6/13
"I wouldn't touch xbox one with a chop stick"
I've never touched any console with a chop stick
posted on 18/6/13
Well the PS4 will outsell it by a big margin I think.
I don't think they will change much though, they will just take the hit and try and make up for it next gen. This is Microsoft.
posted on 18/6/13
Well it seems that M$ do listen but will take a year or so to implement (8.1 by all accounts will see the return of the start button). Also M$ will want to see Xbone continue after end of this season of console wars so a patch will go live at some point to turn off 24hr checks as M$ will wanna open up these servers for "a better use".
posted on 18/6/13
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posted on 19/6/13
The start button doesn't bring back the original start menu, just brings up the metro interface. They tried to make everything look the same on their windows platform, but forgot that desktop users use it differently than touch screen users.
It's like they finally got the touchscreen interface right and then they screw up the non-touch screen one.
posted on 19/6/13
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posted on 19/6/13
The "Old fashioned" start button that removes half a dozen extra clicks that you now need to do in 8. And the tiles are only good for "dumb" end users. Windows 8 is the same as an iOS O/S not designed to be changed and a pain in the ar$e for any type of advanced use.
posted on 19/6/13
No shortcuts work on windows 8 like they use to,
alt + F4,
Windows +U
Windows+L
Its nonsense. so long winded to get to control panel and do anything you need too.
posted on 19/6/13
Why was this a problem?
All you have to do is download a software, there are free ones out there, that will bring back the old style start button.
I spent 2 days with the Metro interface, seemed nice, but ended up going back to the old way due to some annoying things on Metro.
The option to replace your start button is already there.
posted on 19/6/13
No it doesn't, if you set up your tabs there is no extra effort.
However taking 10 minutes out to actually have a play with windows 8 and figure out how to get it to work quickly for you is 10 more minutes than the average idiot is willing to take before going on the internet and screaming START BUTTON at any forum they can find.
My "Chinese" copy of Windows 7 packed up on me just after 8 was released so I took the plunge went to pc world and got myself a copy of 8. Its not the best operating system ever however it is perfectly functional and quick and easy to use.
To be honest I doubt ill ever buy another OS again after it, 10 years ago flat screen monitors were top end, now you get them on every pc and in shops cheap as chips, the same thing will happen with touch screen monitors, and when it does ill have an operating system that I like and can use with them.
posted on 19/6/13
Windows 8 works beautifully well on a tablet.
posted on 19/6/13
Matty, from a design and interface point of view, if something takes 10 mins to sort out then its a failure. The UI is suppose to be simple and quick. MS screwed up here.
The end user wants some to use right now, not take time out to learn some thing that they could do previously faster.
Besides,you don't get iOS on Mac computers.
posted on 19/6/13
Matty i am talking beyond normal end users - hence i said "dumb" end user in which they do not need or want to go beyond what 8 does well. There is nothing overly wrong with the metro interface on either tablet or normal monitor but from the tech side of things vs 7 and Server it can be an ass and a hassle. Though 7 started this trend with some ott security that after years still does my nut in.
posted on 19/6/13
If you can't be bothered spending ten minutes doing the demo then you don't deserve an internet connection.
Its a totally new piece of software.
It is simple and quick, dead simple and quick.
And to be honest i am rounding up anyway, it took me less than a minute to figure out where all the basics were, i just said ten as their really are some stupid people out there.
posted on 19/6/13
The Metro UI with a mouse and keyboard is crap.
posted on 20/6/13
Mattyp (U8926) an OS like Windows needs to cater for the ''dumb" user as Simon West put it. That is what made the iOS a hit as it caters for ''dumb" users. It is also why OS like the many Linux distrubutions out there don't get a look in when they are less bloatware and have improved their UI since it first started (that and games and software available - but games and software will follow if the Linux can get more users).
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