Cab you give a few bullet points summarising as I can't watch the video?

Ill discuss your homework later. Thanks.

In summary sounds like a mis-understanding in the suarez camp with regards to the clause in the contract. They seem to think its similar to how clauses work in Spain which would give the buying club full access to talk to the player without the owning club's permission and also give the player the money for him to buy himself out of the contract. However the same does not apply in England, the player needs to get permission from his club to speak to the other club and importantly decides the price of the player , this is from a lawyer who worked on the Ashley Cole Tapping up case. Don't shoot the messenger Gunners listen for yourself

It basically says that Arsenal have the upper hand in terms of talking to the player but Liverpool can dig their heels and and refuse to sell.

Suarez's agents may have misjudged the clause and that it would release the player once the 40+ had been met, it hasn't and that's because our employment laws are different to on the continent.

Sounds to me like after Luis signed his last contract he had one eye on leaving otherwise why ask for this agreement to be put in? Were Liverpool unwise to offer it to him? Only time will tell. Do we have player not committed to the club? Most certainly.

Nigel Winterburn summed it up perfectly well on SSN yesterday.

basically doesn't matter if Arsenal want Luis and Luis wants Arsenal until they agree a price with Liverpool means nothing, that's the part a lot are struggling with, he said we hold all the cards, which is true.

So basically the clause is senseless.

The question is do you hold on to a player who wants to leave? It's something that rubs against the grain as a Liverpool fan. To play for this club only 100% is good enough.

We also know that Suarez doesn't just bring all goodness but a lot of disruption too so any club that buys him may find their whole team pattern being changed to accommodate him.

At this stage I think if Real fail in getting Bale they will come in for Suarez late on with a similar offer to Arsenals by that time Suarez will be beside himself throwing his toys out of the pram.

I can't see us holding on to Luis this summer.

On the other hand Suarez's alter ego in training today.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Mootaz_LFC/status/360648067902496768/photo/1

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From our point of view, it seems a bit of a dodgy clause to include, knowing that it sits below our valuation of the player but runs the risk of unsettling him.

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I suspect that was a sop given to Suarez to get him to sign a new contract.

dont think Real need to offer what Arsenal have to be honest.

we would probably accept £30 mill and maybe a fringe player or 2 thrown in.

i know they will be on here telling us that the club would go for the best offer money wise, but i do not understand why they fail to see it makes more sense for us to go for the cheaper option and sell him abroad.

IF we sell to Arsenal well our job will be a hell of a lot harder for breaking in the top 4 than it is already, and serious questions would have to be asked about the ambitions of this club as it wont be top 4 any time soon.

we have the option of keeping of course, but how many are convinced he will put his head down and get on with the footie, personally 50/50.

biggest problem is who can we ATTRACT to lessen the loss, we don't have many options by the looks of things.

Ultimately its not up to him, whether he agrees with what they offering or not. How does he then force the move when the buying club don't pay the valuation? he would be in breach of contract then also would he risk not playing as well

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For sure he could definitely do this i'm in doubt of that and has previously gone on strike also has it in him to be capable of doing this. It would put him in an extremely bad light as a professional though and risk his reputation if a madrid or any other club at some point want him

RAP, you are right in that he could do all of these things.im not going to predict that he wouldn't, however he would damaging, further, his own reputation in the process. It all comes down to John Henry and what he thinks. LFC are in the driving seat. Luis can go and speak with God if he likes,until he or both of them are blue in the face, no problem; he is contracted toLFC for three years. End of. I personally think he is using Arsenal as a ploy,the ultimate move being a transfer to Real. My hope is that Brendan has set a final date for sale, well before closure of the transfer deadline, sothathecan buy replacements. Liverpool are clearly keeping their options open which is good.
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What I find particularly disturbing is that the Suarez saga is distracting attention from the performances of our new signings, all of whom, to varying degrees show potential. Provided LFC don't blink, whether he likes it or not, he will remain our player.
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Luis is very volatile and his moods change from day to day, you can't apply a rule set in stone to him. For me the club need to show balls of steel and refuse to sell him this time round. It sends out a message we won't be screwed with.

We need to show we are off to the CL and we are all going there together come what may.

We have got to be honest about where this club is headed, no more projects, no more long runs, no more bull. Sit the lad down show him we are serious and he will stay. And lets get the players we need to put the show on the road.

What I find particularly disturbing is that the Suarez saga is distracting attention from the performances of our new signings, all of whom, to varying degrees show potential.

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Disturbing? Sorry Jimmy but that's a silver lining to me. It's difficult enough coming to a new country and a big club without the pressure of expectations, if they're allowed to fly under the radar for a while then that's fine by me.

I don't see a realistic scenario whereby Suarez stays. Outside the EPL preferably, inside if they offer top money.

Btw, to those wondering why we'd put a value in the contract below Luis' market rate - surely circa 40m was about right prior to last seasons performances?

We have got to be honest about where this club is headed, no more projects, no more long runs, no more bull.
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The club have always been honest about that. You just don't believe it. Don't confuse the clubs honesty with your trust issues.

No more long run? We're a football club running in the normal way, we don't have a sugar daddy like other clubs, you know the ones you slate daily?

Do you reckon we'd be more willing to sell to Chelsea? Chances are if he leaves, selling to Chelsea probably wouldn't hurt our chances of top 4 but selling to Arsenal would.

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just announced that Ayre has said we have no intention of selling Luis

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On SSN now!

If Suarez sulks for a few weeks, it won't affect the team performance as he is out for the first month anyway.

We should get off to a good start which will certainly have an impact on Suarez.