he scored 95 against a very good SA team - at least give him a chance!!
Ashton Agar made even more dazzling record-breaking 98 against as quality team when his teams looked done and dused.
Dude, his 95 was more probably a flukd.
Even Tino best made 95 against no.1 team.
You dont deserve place with One such inning which might have been fluke.
Compton has done way better, scoring 2 tons, giving england steady start in the final frontier.
Then has 1 failed series against no.8 team and get dropped.He was actually averaging 99 in the domestic series when he got a chance.
What has bairstow done in the first place to get selected?
Even the likes of Kieswetter is better than Bairstow, what to say of quality players like Taylor and Ballance.
Even Australia who are atm thinly stocked regarding the quality domestic batsman are not selecting Magic boy Aston as a batsman for his singular historic heroic 98.
Then why are some english fans thinking that bairstow deserve place for his 1 inning made year ago especially when there're lots of quality young domestic and SPECIALIST batsmen.
For gods sake Baistow averages 30is in FC and isnt even a Specialist batsman.
Whats the logic behind his selection?
He must be one of the luckiest player playing for england now.
He's been given 2 full series and now is playing 6 straight test while looking mediocre.
This must have been the time england dropped him and select Taylor or Ballance for the final test.
I cant see Bairstow developing into a quality batsman .at best a quality wicketkeeper batsman, which prior already is.
Bairstow does not average 30's in FC cricket he averages a shade under 45. A big difference. Whilst I fully agree that he does not look comfortable lets give him the same chance we afforded to Bell and Cook. To my mind, whether he is the long term number 6 for England or not, he deserves time. Averages are all well and good to bander around but they tell you little about a batsman. Watching him play is the way and given time I believe bairstow will come good. Whilst balance is a good player he had boosted his average from about 46 to well over 50 by feasting on Zim domestic cricketers.
I am not impressed with bairstow or root.
What England have are good batsman in KP, Trot,Cook, Bell and Prior who can give just enough runs to defend.
As you have a world class unit of bowlers in Anderson, Broad and Swan it gives you enough to win games.
I do think when KP, Trott or Prior fade in form or retire you will have a problem in rebuilding.
Problem of the OZ team is we have not enough good batsmen.
We have Clark and the tail enders who do a good job and thats it.
By your logic bearded, Compton deserved more chance than bairstow,didnt he? He actually looked like fighter but he was criticised in the same manner as bairstow is now getting criticized.
Only difference is compton had 2 tons and good start in india to show that he was unjustly dropped whereas Bairstow is just blocking a place which could've unearthed a great batsman for England.
I Agree with you on Compton yes, I said he should open against Aussies and stick with that. Root is struggling. But bairstow looks the type of player who given time will come good. Lets not forget for about 18 months people wanted cook dropped, I've even read during this series people want him dropped if he wasn't captain. Bell looked shaky for a couple of years but look what happened when we stuck with him. There is always someone in the England side people demand to be dropped, but I'd say Flower has a good record of picking players who perform given time.
Also I'd add that England can afford to carry a batsman who is finding his feet. All I've read during this series is how bad England have played and will england ever learn, yet we're 3-0 up, playing badly. In football they say the sign of a great team is one who wins even when playing badly, but in cricket it invites the dropping of players. 3-0 up and we're playing badly, I think we can allow a player a run in the side when you're winning when under performing.
But, how can you compare him with cook . Cook on debut (that too on india) scored 60 and 100 at age of 21. Was always consistent.
Didnt score century around 2008,9 but remember him still averaging 40+ and still turning out good score and it was then when people, out of frustration was calling for him to be dropped(also his offside technique).
But cook DESPITE those issue still had good scores, averages, runs to show. He has been "the youngest to" at many english milestone.
More importantly Cook Was the SPECIALIST batsman,whereas Bairstow's role is Wicketkeeper tested and unproven at batting prowess.
Ok bearded, what is YOUR personal opinion on who is the best county batsman outside national team? Including bairstow,root,compton?
In other word if you were selector who would 'you rather carry' at no.6? Taylor, ballance, bairstow(non-specialist), kieswetter,or other option.
Kieswetter wouldn't be near any England team I picked, even more so with test cricket. The best batsman outside of the current test eleven for me is Taylor. Looks class. Balance looks good but as mentioned his average is boosted by winters in Zim. Taylor for me should be there but right now isn't. Bairstow is so he should be backed. There is a lot of Batting and bowling talent in county cricket right now but at a very young age bi don't think bairstow or butler will take the gloves from prior anyway as there are better youngsters coming through. But Taylor for me should be at 6 for England, but flower has a better record of picking players than me, and his record is good.
Bairstow clearly has technical flaws and i'm not sure how long England can hold back talent like Taylor, Stokes and Balance. Best thing for Bairstow is to go back to county cricket and work on his game and let Taylor take over.
Most england fans i come across held a similar opinion to you bearded (and kash). They rate Taylor as the best and bairstow as just average.
I too think that bairstow is better off playing county cricket and honing his skills. He's not test material yet.
Taylor,poor man with Hercule Poirots physique must be unlucky.
Cook has techincal flaws as did tresco but that didn't stop them. England are desperate to get stokes involved but whilst his bowling improves with each match he can't buy a run right now and despite his obvious talent and huge future right now can lay no claim to the England number 6 spot. In a similar way to bell some time back in county cricket will do bairstow good , but his major technical flaw right now is not bringing his bat down straight from his high back lift, a problem that is easily solved with time, ask cook.
Seems Bairstow will be second wicketkeeper on tour. Could the plan be to bed him into the team with him taking over from Prior in due course? (Not my idea - just wondering!)
I don't see bairstow or butler as future England keepers. Prior has a few years left and by that time ducket, foakes and billings will be the men fighting for it. All good batsmen and great keepers. Billings will be the man for me.
How can you say bairstow will suddenly turn out class batsman despite his technical flaw because Tresco and Cook did so?
Is it your faith, hope, a subjective comment?
Tresco, cook had heavy runs behind their back and they had OTHER strongpoints in their game, for example Cooks backfoot genius and amazing sherlockian concentration power.
What is bairstow so good at? Does ge average 50 or he is dazzling like KP was, or amazing concentration or flamboyant? I think none of the above. He is a world class at fielding though.
I didn't say Barstow will suddenly turn class because cook and tresco did, I'm asking that he is given the same time as them to prove he can iron out his flaws. Not mentioned once that he will suddenly turn out class because the others did. Give him time to iron them out, if he can't move him on, but right now he's in possession so give him the chance, like we have with others.
what exactly do you KNOW Kharse? i bet you wouldn't have given Goochie another go when his first scores for England were 0, 0, 6 & 31 would you??! Thankfully the selectors can see talent. Barstow willl take over the gloves once Prior is gone
I have no problem with bairstow being seen as prior's successor behind the stumps but his undeserved place as no.6 is blocking way for some truly quality batsman developing into a great.
Hes in the teams as he is a Yorkshire lad. If he was from northants for example he wouldn't be near the team.
Northants = Division 2, Yorkshire = TOP of division one. Its undeniable where all the talent is coming from at the moment. Especially when you look at the emergence of players like Ballance, Rashid and Lees (who has just catapulted into the England A side!) I'm not pretending I am not biased but if you look at the history of English cricket, the record books are full of English Yorkshire players with fantastic records - Boycott, Hutton, Hoggard, Illingworth, Trueman...i could go on....
Not that other counties are not recognised. Just that they are not as good as Yorkshire ! ONLY Kidding before I get slated!
Cannot stand the Yorkshire bias in the media. It is like they are a nation within a nation:
"A strong Yorkshire means a strong England"
Wrong. Root and Bairstow are not test class yet and I suspect that Bairstow never will be.
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posted on 19/8/13
Parchi?
posted on 19/8/13
he scored 95 against a very good SA team - at least give him a chance!!
posted on 19/8/13
Ashton Agar made even more dazzling record-breaking 98 against as quality team when his teams looked done and dused.
Dude, his 95 was more probably a flukd.
Even Tino best made 95 against no.1 team.
You dont deserve place with One such inning which might have been fluke.
Compton has done way better, scoring 2 tons, giving england steady start in the final frontier.
Then has 1 failed series against no.8 team and get dropped.He was actually averaging 99 in the domestic series when he got a chance.
What has bairstow done in the first place to get selected?
Even the likes of Kieswetter is better than Bairstow, what to say of quality players like Taylor and Ballance.
posted on 19/8/13
Even Australia who are atm thinly stocked regarding the quality domestic batsman are not selecting Magic boy Aston as a batsman for his singular historic heroic 98.
Then why are some english fans thinking that bairstow deserve place for his 1 inning made year ago especially when there're lots of quality young domestic and SPECIALIST batsmen.
For gods sake Baistow averages 30is in FC and isnt even a Specialist batsman.
Whats the logic behind his selection?
He must be one of the luckiest player playing for england now.
posted on 19/8/13
He's been given 2 full series and now is playing 6 straight test while looking mediocre.
This must have been the time england dropped him and select Taylor or Ballance for the final test.
I cant see Bairstow developing into a quality batsman .at best a quality wicketkeeper batsman, which prior already is.
posted on 19/8/13
Bairstow does not average 30's in FC cricket he averages a shade under 45. A big difference. Whilst I fully agree that he does not look comfortable lets give him the same chance we afforded to Bell and Cook. To my mind, whether he is the long term number 6 for England or not, he deserves time. Averages are all well and good to bander around but they tell you little about a batsman. Watching him play is the way and given time I believe bairstow will come good. Whilst balance is a good player he had boosted his average from about 46 to well over 50 by feasting on Zim domestic cricketers.
posted on 19/8/13
I am not impressed with bairstow or root.
What England have are good batsman in KP, Trot,Cook, Bell and Prior who can give just enough runs to defend.
As you have a world class unit of bowlers in Anderson, Broad and Swan it gives you enough to win games.
I do think when KP, Trott or Prior fade in form or retire you will have a problem in rebuilding.
Problem of the OZ team is we have not enough good batsmen.
We have Clark and the tail enders who do a good job and thats it.
posted on 19/8/13
By your logic bearded, Compton deserved more chance than bairstow,didnt he? He actually looked like fighter but he was criticised in the same manner as bairstow is now getting criticized.
Only difference is compton had 2 tons and good start in india to show that he was unjustly dropped whereas Bairstow is just blocking a place which could've unearthed a great batsman for England.
posted on 19/8/13
I Agree with you on Compton yes, I said he should open against Aussies and stick with that. Root is struggling. But bairstow looks the type of player who given time will come good. Lets not forget for about 18 months people wanted cook dropped, I've even read during this series people want him dropped if he wasn't captain. Bell looked shaky for a couple of years but look what happened when we stuck with him. There is always someone in the England side people demand to be dropped, but I'd say Flower has a good record of picking players who perform given time.
posted on 19/8/13
Also I'd add that England can afford to carry a batsman who is finding his feet. All I've read during this series is how bad England have played and will england ever learn, yet we're 3-0 up, playing badly. In football they say the sign of a great team is one who wins even when playing badly, but in cricket it invites the dropping of players. 3-0 up and we're playing badly, I think we can allow a player a run in the side when you're winning when under performing.
posted on 19/8/13
But, how can you compare him with cook . Cook on debut (that too on india) scored 60 and 100 at age of 21. Was always consistent.
Didnt score century around 2008,9 but remember him still averaging 40+ and still turning out good score and it was then when people, out of frustration was calling for him to be dropped(also his offside technique).
But cook DESPITE those issue still had good scores, averages, runs to show. He has been "the youngest to" at many english milestone.
More importantly Cook Was the SPECIALIST batsman,whereas Bairstow's role is Wicketkeeper tested and unproven at batting prowess.
posted on 19/8/13
Ok bearded, what is YOUR personal opinion on who is the best county batsman outside national team? Including bairstow,root,compton?
In other word if you were selector who would 'you rather carry' at no.6? Taylor, ballance, bairstow(non-specialist), kieswetter,or other option.
posted on 19/8/13
Kieswetter wouldn't be near any England team I picked, even more so with test cricket. The best batsman outside of the current test eleven for me is Taylor. Looks class. Balance looks good but as mentioned his average is boosted by winters in Zim. Taylor for me should be there but right now isn't. Bairstow is so he should be backed. There is a lot of Batting and bowling talent in county cricket right now but at a very young age bi don't think bairstow or butler will take the gloves from prior anyway as there are better youngsters coming through. But Taylor for me should be at 6 for England, but flower has a better record of picking players than me, and his record is good.
posted on 19/8/13
Bairstow clearly has technical flaws and i'm not sure how long England can hold back talent like Taylor, Stokes and Balance. Best thing for Bairstow is to go back to county cricket and work on his game and let Taylor take over.
posted on 19/8/13
Most england fans i come across held a similar opinion to you bearded (and kash). They rate Taylor as the best and bairstow as just average.
I too think that bairstow is better off playing county cricket and honing his skills. He's not test material yet.
Taylor,poor man with Hercule Poirots physique must be unlucky.
posted on 19/8/13
Cook has techincal flaws as did tresco but that didn't stop them. England are desperate to get stokes involved but whilst his bowling improves with each match he can't buy a run right now and despite his obvious talent and huge future right now can lay no claim to the England number 6 spot. In a similar way to bell some time back in county cricket will do bairstow good , but his major technical flaw right now is not bringing his bat down straight from his high back lift, a problem that is easily solved with time, ask cook.
posted on 19/8/13
Seems Bairstow will be second wicketkeeper on tour. Could the plan be to bed him into the team with him taking over from Prior in due course? (Not my idea - just wondering!)
posted on 19/8/13
I don't see bairstow or butler as future England keepers. Prior has a few years left and by that time ducket, foakes and billings will be the men fighting for it. All good batsmen and great keepers. Billings will be the man for me.
posted on 19/8/13
How can you say bairstow will suddenly turn out class batsman despite his technical flaw because Tresco and Cook did so?
Is it your faith, hope, a subjective comment?
Tresco, cook had heavy runs behind their back and they had OTHER strongpoints in their game, for example Cooks backfoot genius and amazing sherlockian concentration power.
What is bairstow so good at? Does ge average 50 or he is dazzling like KP was, or amazing concentration or flamboyant? I think none of the above. He is a world class at fielding though.
posted on 19/8/13
I didn't say Barstow will suddenly turn class because cook and tresco did, I'm asking that he is given the same time as them to prove he can iron out his flaws. Not mentioned once that he will suddenly turn out class because the others did. Give him time to iron them out, if he can't move him on, but right now he's in possession so give him the chance, like we have with others.
posted on 20/8/13
what exactly do you KNOW Kharse? i bet you wouldn't have given Goochie another go when his first scores for England were 0, 0, 6 & 31 would you??! Thankfully the selectors can see talent. Barstow willl take over the gloves once Prior is gone
posted on 20/8/13
I have no problem with bairstow being seen as prior's successor behind the stumps but his undeserved place as no.6 is blocking way for some truly quality batsman developing into a great.
posted on 20/8/13
Hes in the teams as he is a Yorkshire lad. If he was from northants for example he wouldn't be near the team.
posted on 20/8/13
Northants = Division 2, Yorkshire = TOP of division one. Its undeniable where all the talent is coming from at the moment. Especially when you look at the emergence of players like Ballance, Rashid and Lees (who has just catapulted into the England A side!) I'm not pretending I am not biased but if you look at the history of English cricket, the record books are full of English Yorkshire players with fantastic records - Boycott, Hutton, Hoggard, Illingworth, Trueman...i could go on....
Not that other counties are not recognised. Just that they are not as good as Yorkshire ! ONLY Kidding before I get slated!
posted on 20/8/13
Cannot stand the Yorkshire bias in the media. It is like they are a nation within a nation:
"A strong Yorkshire means a strong England"
Wrong. Root and Bairstow are not test class yet and I suspect that Bairstow never will be.
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