I don't think you got me - all segregation is wrong. Chinese is no better than Black in this regard.

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but its not segregation because one set feel they are better than another, or one person has more rights than another... that is wrong....

football fans are segregated at games? according to what? according to something which they all have in common that differentiates them from the other people (the football team they support). why cant this be aplied to schools or the work place?

now as long as no animosity or segregation exists outside of these environments towards the people then i just dont see the issue.

Chronic, whilst I understand your points, do you think anyone would be allowed to set up any kind of official white only organisation?

Precisely my point. It's just about parity.

On a side note, pleasure to get a reasonable debate going on

i remember at uni there was the afro-caribbean society... cant be anything wrong with that can there? how is that different to society of black lawyers?

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Where is the need for that though? Why have a society for Afro-Caribbean people at all?

You try and get people to mix and get along, and move on as a country, and these things are pulling the other way

"Is such a school limited to Chinese pupils only though? Or is it that they teach in Chinese and anyone can go?"

The latter.
The weekend school in Soho that was set up to teach the kids to read and write Chinese, used to have the odd non-Chinese in it.

Nowadays they also appear to teach stuff like GCSE classes.
So going there to do those classes is pointless unless you speak whatever dialect the teachers are teaching in.

comment by Chris H - The Wizard of Öz (U15205)
posted 1 minute ago
Chronic, whilst I understand your points, do you think anyone would be allowed to set up any kind of official white only organisation?

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probably not. but thats because society generally would find it unacceptable. on a personal note, i would have no problem whatsoever with it. it would mean i wouldnt be able to be a member, but if someone wants to set up something only for white people then so be it.

i am in favour of ethnic and social integration as much as possible, and here in london generally we have that. even in southall which has to be 95% asian, there is still a traditional pub there where mostly white people go and socialise and everyone lives in peace.

but if somebody from a particular race or religion wants to create a society for his or her race or religion alone, then so be it. as i say, as long as no animosity is preached or stands for a hate message or something then it shouldnt be an issue imo.

comment by HRH (U15236)
posted 3 minutes ago
i remember at uni there was the afro-caribbean society... cant be anything wrong with that can there? how is that different to society of black lawyers?

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Where is the need for that though? Why have a society for Afro-Caribbean people at all?

You try and get people to mix and get along, and move on as a country, and these things are pulling the other way

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well at uni it was good because we had events specifically discussing african dance, or caribbean music, and had "cook-outs" with african and caribbean food. its good to hold onto your culture in a place where your culture is not the norm.

infact the society was quite well regarded by the uni, and lots of people not from africa or the caribbean were invited to participate, and they did, they just couldnt be part of the committee, which i think is fair enough.

we had an afro caribbean football team and our best player was a white guy from holland .. at the end of the day i guess we just wanted to have fun (and win)

football fans are segregated at games? according to what? according to something which they all have in common that differentiates them from the other people (the football team they support). why cant this be aplied to schools or the work place?

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They get separated (around matches only) because they fight. Nobody is sending them to different schools.

Anyone who wishes to support a particular team is free to, you choose your football team. It's completely voluntary, and at the end of the day it involves watching 22 men kicking a bag of air.

Far different to exclusive groups/schools that exclude certain races.

On no way can it be right for an employer to openly devalue he will only employ people of his own race. If that isn't thinking your race is superior what is it?

At university, these societies provide a useful framework/support for minority groups.
Especially for those who may be overseas students.

On no way can it be right for an employer to openly devalue he will only employ people of his own race. If that isn't thinking your race is superior what is it?

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but my point is that i know of firms that only hire jewish people or indian people. that is not their outspoken policy (they dont have jewish or indian in their firm name) but that is still what they do. is this any better than having an outspoken policy?


HRH.. so if you think football fans were to not fight, do you think people would be in favour of having mixed crowds like they do in rugby?

i would be amazed if any spurs fan would want that. suppose i could give you a 100% assurance that no fighting would occur at any game, would you want our next home gave v chelsea to be mixed seating? of course not?

why? because we want to watch the game around fully spurs fans, and be segregated because we all have that common trait - supporting the best team in the world

right i am off.. i enjoyed the debate

"is this any better than having an outspoken policy?"

Worse. It means they are cowards.

comment by The RDBD (demoted to supporting the team managed by Pep Guardiola) (U1062)
posted 1 minute ago
"is this any better than having an outspoken policy?"

Worse. It means they are cowards.


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only if you think what they are doing is wrong.

well at uni it was good because we had events specifically discussing african dance, or caribbean music, and had "cook-outs" with african and caribbean food. its good to hold onto your culture in a place where your culture is not the norm.

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African culture and Caribbean culture aren't the same though. They are on different continents, and from my personal experience have an inherent distrust of each other.

Neither is particularly your culture either, as I assume you are London born-and-bred?

Without knowing you I'd guess your culture is 99% the same as most of other people your age - much more so than your peers in either Africa or the Caribbean.

Fair play though, it wasn't exclusively for black people only, and was totally inclusive. The football team is dodgy ground though, even with your token whitey

"only if you think what they are doing is wrong."

Nope.
Cowards for not being man enough to openly state their policy.
Whether you agree with the policy or not is moot.

comment by HRH (U15236)
posted 1 minute ago
well at uni it was good because we had events specifically discussing african dance, or caribbean music, and had "cook-outs" with african and caribbean food. its good to hold onto your culture in a place where your culture is not the norm.

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African culture and Caribbean culture aren't the same though. They are on different continents, and from my personal experience have an inherent distrust of each other.

Neither is particularly your culture either, as I assume you are London born-and-bred?

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i was born in london but spent about 5 years of my youth growing up in the west indies, before moving back to london and have lived ever since in north london. so i have very much had a west indian upbringing, mixed of course with london.

west indian and african people dont always see eye to eye... so you are right in that regard... but there is quite a lot in common... lots of the music is similar. particularly western african music and west indian calypso. dont forget also that the jamaican rasta movement is totally based on african, ethiopia in particular.

jamaican dance and west african dance is also fairly similar, so whilst there are some issues, there are lots of similarities.

HRH.. so if you think football fans were to not fight, do you think people would be in favour of having mixed crowds like they do in rugby?

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No, but they would have a choice. If you wished to sit in the other end you'd be free to. Much like Everton and Liverpool fans used to sit together.

A white only Tottenham section wouldn't be on though

i was born in london but spent about 5 years of my youth growing up in the west indies, before moving back to london and have lived ever since in north london. so i have very much had a west indian upbringing, mixed of course with london.

west indian and african people dont always see eye to eye... so you are right in that regard... but there is quite a lot in common... lots of the music is similar. particularly western african music and west indian calypso. dont forget also that the jamaican rasta movement is totally based on african, ethiopia in particular.

jamaican dance and west african dance is also fairly similar, so whilst there are some issues, there are lots of similarities.

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Fair play

ok i am properly off this time...

I have visions of Peter Herbert and other black lawyers cooking African and Caribbean food, and learning dances now

"I have visions of Peter Herbert and other black lawyers ... learning dances now"

Don't think you'll find a better "whiner" than Herbert at the moment.

Well, it seems the one point that we're all agreed on is that Peter Herbert is a first class kn0b

It is just another way for Herbert to get into the spot light

The bloke is a chancer !!