I think our main issue is Ramires and the worst thing is that he has nailed the CM position. I would honestly rather we give Essien a shot again because the amount of times I see Ramires lose the ball and pass it to the other teams player is getting beyond a joke.

Well he can't be worse than any of our CF's.

Can you believe that Mikel has scored more than our forwards this season....

King

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I know its just if we are debating the biggest issues at the club. Than I think Ramires is, our strikers are an issue but at least the management recognises this is a problem.

With Ramires they dont he is the first name on the team sheet.

Also our transfer policy this summer was foolish we spent nearly £50m on Willian and Schurrle two players we didn't need. Then loaned out Moses as we couldn't accommodate.

In CM and strikers we spent £8m, two positions we have been lacking in for years now.

Oh yeh and then we loaned out Lukaku again.

We will probably see tonight if Essiens legs are up to it. But I'm more concerned with not using a player of Matas quality.

It's only because you miserable lot wouldn't join in my I miss the Clangers debate

I think our main issue is Ramires and the worst thing is that he has nailed the CM position. I would honestly rather we give Essien a shot again because the amount of times I see Ramires lose the ball and pass it to the other teams player is getting beyond a joke.

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he loses the ball no more than lampard, luiz hazard etc.

Ramires is a key player becuase he is the only player in the CM who can start a quick counter attack yes he may lose the ball sometimes but he loses it trying to start an attack i haven't seen him cost us a goal yet.

we sorely missed him against basel

and Im sorry but the prospect of playing 2 of lampard, essien, mikel in that CM is horrible. none of them can run or have the ability to move the ball quickly.

I Reiterate what i have been saying that i am glad none of the ramires haters are prem managers. becuase the fact that tactically you would prefer a crocked essien and lampard over Rami is completly mental.

I suggest you watch Ramires closley and not just focus on the his bad things he does but focus on the good.

I guarantee you his pros way outweigh his cons

I do and his passing is pi$$ poor the last few games I have seen him pass more to the opposition than our own team. He is a willing runner that's what covers up his deficiencies, he is our Cleverly only Cleverly has better passing range.

I would rather he upped his passing game as I know it is in his abilities but its has been going on for so long.

i personally like Ramires...

Essien is finished but I do understand people's reservations about Ramires(especially in a midfield two)...