comment by blabla (U11635)
posted 21 minutes ago
The youth set ups of germany belgium and holland should be examined as to how they are producing such talented players.
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Don't they both have their fair share of nationalised players?
The greatest nations on earth do it. Brazil, Spain, France, Portugal, etc. Yet the below par English look down upon it.
Always baffled me. So much misplaced arrogance.
Don't see what is arrogant about it.
Who have Brazil and Spain used in this way?
comment by (U1137)D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by blabla (U11635)
posted 21 minutes ago
The youth set ups of germany belgium and holland should be examined as to how they are producing such talented players.
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Don't they both have their fair share of nationalised players?
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Im not sure djm. All these countrys like the uk would have multi cultural make up in there population so it wouldnt be unusual to see players playing that are ethnicly associated with other countrys.
"Who have Brazil and Spain used in this way?"
Spain have used Senna, if I remember correctly. Brazil don't do this I think. Fair enough.
I even remember Croatia doing so with Eduardo.
If these other great nations who are light years ahead of England are doing it, what's the issue?
In fact, it is England that's missing out.
Kind of helps teams develop with players from countrys with different playing styles and flair.
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I think this is excatly what I dislike about it. We will end up with a sport that is diluted down and no nations having any sense of footballing identity.
As much as I hate the clichés bandied about like "English grit" and "Lionheart spirit".... They do hint at a certain national style, for better or worse.
The greatest nations on earth do it. Brazil, Spain, France, Portugal, etc. Yet the below par English look down upon it.
Always baffled me. So much misplaced arrogance.
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Just because it's legal doesn't make it morally correct. Maybe the English are right to 'frown' upon it?
As for calling it 'arrogant', what a silly thing to say child.
England have been playing like absolute kack for years, maybe its no coincidence
"Just because it's legal doesn't make it morally correct. Maybe the English are right to 'frown' upon it?"
What makes it "morally incorrect"? You'd turn down a Ronaldinho that wanted to play for your nation? I do feel sorry for this nation if everyone shared this idiotic view.
"As for calling it 'arrogant', what a silly thing to say child."
Now, now. Don't start with the put downs. I don't think it's a route you want to go down.
It is arrogant in a way because these greater nations are happy to do it.
Nations that are in less need of assistance. If they can do it, why can't England?
"I think this is excatly what I dislike about it. We will end up with a sport that is diluted down and no nations having any sense of footballing identity."
Footballing identity? And what's England identity?
Having grafters and wrestlers playing in the centre of the park for you as playmakers, with the wingers playing 180mph.
You really need to look up the word arrogant.
There is zero connection with saying no to nationalisation and arrogance. Absolutely zero.
It is arrogant in a way because these greater nations are happy to do it.
Nations that are in less need of assistance. If they can do it, why can't England?
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So a sprinter who runs clean is arrogant because others are happy to take performance enhancing drugs?
Footballing identity? And what's England identity?
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I address that directly below the quote you put... Interesting how you either failed to read it or failed to quote it to make your "joke".
For better or worse, England have a clear identity.
I know what the word 'arrogant' means. Thank you very much.
"There is zero connection with saying no to nationalisation and arrogance. Absolutely zero."
But as I asked earlier, if these superior nations have no qualms with doing this, why can't England do it?
What country are you from Dubbed? Do they have nationalised players... Genuinely interested.
"So a sprinter who runs clean is arrogant because others are happy to take performance enhancing drugs?"
Ridiculous analogy as it's not really deemed cheating, is it?
"For better or worse, England have a clear identity."
Fair play. And are you happy with this identity? That's another subject in itself.
I don't see the issue with adding foreign players who've been naturalised.
"What country are you from Dubbed? Do they have nationalised players... Genuinely interested."
Born and brought up in Norway with Somali background. Been living in England for over half my life.
But as I asked earlier, if these superior nations have no qualms with doing this, why can't England do it?
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Firstly, because we made an agreement with the other home nations, I would imagine it was done in an effort to stop one nation poaching all the best players of the smaller nations (eg, England poaching everyone).
Secondly, because, as much as you might want to ridicule England, we do produce some very, very good players.
Thirdly, there is and always has been a strong attempt to be fair and just in this country... In sport and in life.
Zinedine Zidane - the best French footballer of all time - was Algerian..
Many other countries benefit from it so why not us?
'Dubbed', you should be 'Dumbed'.
England im sure have had a couple of players in the past that wernt born in the country.
off the top of my head
John barnes was born in jamaica I think
owen hargreaves was canadian born
Fair play. And are you happy with this identity? That's another subject in itself.
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I'd rather have that identity than every country in the world having a watered down style based around whatever is the popular style of the day.... Wouldn't it be boring if all the northern European clubs just naturalised a bunch of latin american and spanish players, just to inject some "style"?
Beggars cant be choosers.
England are beggars right now considering the lack of talent coming through.
Its Englands loss if they miss out on talented players because of some stupid sense of false national pride.
Zidane was born in France though....
We are talking about players who arrive here in or around their adult life.
I think ultimately it is down to the players themselves and how they view their national identity- if a player feels connected to a particular country and he has the ability to merit a place in that country's squad then the governing body has to call him up.
What I do not like is the sort of poaching idea, where they contact clubs to enquire about eligibility: let the player decide before you start making enquiries!
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posted on 7/10/13
comment by blabla (U11635)
posted 21 minutes ago
The youth set ups of germany belgium and holland should be examined as to how they are producing such talented players.
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Don't they both have their fair share of nationalised players?
posted on 7/10/13
The greatest nations on earth do it. Brazil, Spain, France, Portugal, etc. Yet the below par English look down upon it.
Always baffled me. So much misplaced arrogance.
posted on 7/10/13
Don't see what is arrogant about it.
Who have Brazil and Spain used in this way?
posted on 7/10/13
comment by (U1137)D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by blabla (U11635)
posted 21 minutes ago
The youth set ups of germany belgium and holland should be examined as to how they are producing such talented players.
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Don't they both have their fair share of nationalised players?
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Im not sure djm. All these countrys like the uk would have multi cultural make up in there population so it wouldnt be unusual to see players playing that are ethnicly associated with other countrys.
posted on 7/10/13
"Who have Brazil and Spain used in this way?"
Spain have used Senna, if I remember correctly. Brazil don't do this I think. Fair enough.
I even remember Croatia doing so with Eduardo.
If these other great nations who are light years ahead of England are doing it, what's the issue?
In fact, it is England that's missing out.
posted on 7/10/13
Kind of helps teams develop with players from countrys with different playing styles and flair.
-----------------------------------------
I think this is excatly what I dislike about it. We will end up with a sport that is diluted down and no nations having any sense of footballing identity.
As much as I hate the clichés bandied about like "English grit" and "Lionheart spirit".... They do hint at a certain national style, for better or worse.
posted on 7/10/13
The greatest nations on earth do it. Brazil, Spain, France, Portugal, etc. Yet the below par English look down upon it.
Always baffled me. So much misplaced arrogance.
------------------------------------------
Just because it's legal doesn't make it morally correct. Maybe the English are right to 'frown' upon it?
As for calling it 'arrogant', what a silly thing to say child.
posted on 7/10/13
England have been playing like absolute kack for years, maybe its no coincidence
posted on 7/10/13
"Just because it's legal doesn't make it morally correct. Maybe the English are right to 'frown' upon it?"
What makes it "morally incorrect"? You'd turn down a Ronaldinho that wanted to play for your nation? I do feel sorry for this nation if everyone shared this idiotic view.
"As for calling it 'arrogant', what a silly thing to say child."
Now, now. Don't start with the put downs. I don't think it's a route you want to go down.
It is arrogant in a way because these greater nations are happy to do it.
Nations that are in less need of assistance. If they can do it, why can't England?
posted on 7/10/13
"I think this is excatly what I dislike about it. We will end up with a sport that is diluted down and no nations having any sense of footballing identity."
Footballing identity? And what's England identity?
Having grafters and wrestlers playing in the centre of the park for you as playmakers, with the wingers playing 180mph.
posted on 7/10/13
You really need to look up the word arrogant.
There is zero connection with saying no to nationalisation and arrogance. Absolutely zero.
posted on 7/10/13
It is arrogant in a way because these greater nations are happy to do it.
Nations that are in less need of assistance. If they can do it, why can't England?
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So a sprinter who runs clean is arrogant because others are happy to take performance enhancing drugs?
posted on 7/10/13
Footballing identity? And what's England identity?
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I address that directly below the quote you put... Interesting how you either failed to read it or failed to quote it to make your "joke".
For better or worse, England have a clear identity.
posted on 7/10/13
I know what the word 'arrogant' means. Thank you very much.
"There is zero connection with saying no to nationalisation and arrogance. Absolutely zero."
But as I asked earlier, if these superior nations have no qualms with doing this, why can't England do it?
posted on 7/10/13
What country are you from Dubbed? Do they have nationalised players... Genuinely interested.
posted on 7/10/13
"So a sprinter who runs clean is arrogant because others are happy to take performance enhancing drugs?"
Ridiculous analogy as it's not really deemed cheating, is it?
"For better or worse, England have a clear identity."
Fair play. And are you happy with this identity? That's another subject in itself.
I don't see the issue with adding foreign players who've been naturalised.
posted on 7/10/13
"What country are you from Dubbed? Do they have nationalised players... Genuinely interested."
Born and brought up in Norway with Somali background. Been living in England for over half my life.
posted on 7/10/13
But as I asked earlier, if these superior nations have no qualms with doing this, why can't England do it?
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Firstly, because we made an agreement with the other home nations, I would imagine it was done in an effort to stop one nation poaching all the best players of the smaller nations (eg, England poaching everyone).
Secondly, because, as much as you might want to ridicule England, we do produce some very, very good players.
Thirdly, there is and always has been a strong attempt to be fair and just in this country... In sport and in life.
posted on 7/10/13
Zinedine Zidane - the best French footballer of all time - was Algerian..
Many other countries benefit from it so why not us?
posted on 7/10/13
'Dubbed', you should be 'Dumbed'.
posted on 7/10/13
England im sure have had a couple of players in the past that wernt born in the country.
off the top of my head
John barnes was born in jamaica I think
owen hargreaves was canadian born
posted on 7/10/13
Fair play. And are you happy with this identity? That's another subject in itself.
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I'd rather have that identity than every country in the world having a watered down style based around whatever is the popular style of the day.... Wouldn't it be boring if all the northern European clubs just naturalised a bunch of latin american and spanish players, just to inject some "style"?
posted on 7/10/13
Beggars cant be choosers.
England are beggars right now considering the lack of talent coming through.
Its Englands loss if they miss out on talented players because of some stupid sense of false national pride.
posted on 7/10/13
Zidane was born in France though....
We are talking about players who arrive here in or around their adult life.
posted on 7/10/13
I think ultimately it is down to the players themselves and how they view their national identity- if a player feels connected to a particular country and he has the ability to merit a place in that country's squad then the governing body has to call him up.
What I do not like is the sort of poaching idea, where they contact clubs to enquire about eligibility: let the player decide before you start making enquiries!
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