comment by Robb Marmite (U9808)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 42 seconds ago
I'm almost ready to write this whole season off. It's just awful football we play. It's not exciting at all.
Next summer I'd go all out and get Klopp and see if he'll bring Gundogan with him and maybe another. And he might even get Kagawa in the team playing good football.
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So one poor season and you want a new manager. Wow, for a match going fan you display the same insane lack of common sense as the one poster on here who lives in a shack in India and communicates in a Carfe.
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if we have a dreadful season and if our play hasnt improved then we should look for a good manager who can play attacking football and not hoofball
comment by Ad-nan bread (U11386)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Robb Marmite (U9808)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 42 seconds ago
I'm almost ready to write this whole season off. It's just awful football we play. It's not exciting at all.
Next summer I'd go all out and get Klopp and see if he'll bring Gundogan with him and maybe another. And he might even get Kagawa in the team playing good football.
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So one poor season and you want a new manager. Wow, for a match going fan you display the same insane lack of common sense as the one poster on here who lives in a shack in India and communicates in a Carfe.
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if we have a dreadful season and if our play hasnt improved then we should look for a good manager who can play attacking football and not hoofball
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If you think we played hoofball today you're dumber than I thought.
There were patches today when utd were very good but you cant keep giving the ball away time and again and expect not to get punished. The number of times rooney was caught in pocession was shocking. Not jumping on the fellaini bandwagon but I hope he dosent have as bad a day again as he had today trying to tackle. Fair play to southampton they worked hard and were brave today.
Finally Giggs for the love of god will you just retire
Robb
I didn't want Moyes to begin with if you check.
Hiring a manager with not a single trophy on his CV and hardly any experience of working with top level players and no pedigree in Europe too to replace Fergie was always a BIG BIG risk.
Only a moron would disagree that point.
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comment by Wayne and Robin. Get rid of Young, Giggs, Welbeck, Evra, Anderson. Absolutely useless players in our squad whose contributions arent any bigger than the tea lady (U17937)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb Marmite (U9808)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 42 seconds ago
I'm almost ready to write this whole season off. It's just awful football we play. It's not exciting at all.
Next summer I'd go all out and get Klopp and see if he'll bring Gundogan with him and maybe another. And he might even get Kagawa in the team playing good football.
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So one poor season and you want a new manager. Wow, for a match going fan you display the same insane lack of common sense as the one poster on here who lives in a shack in India and communicates in a Carfe.
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As opposed to the resident Aussie who lives here 24/7 talking crap and promsing to leave and still returns like a beggar
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Yeah, why don't you do an article about it?
comment by Robb Marmite (U9808)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Ad-nan bread (U11386)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Robb Marmite (U9808)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 42 seconds ago
I'm almost ready to write this whole season off. It's just awful football we play. It's not exciting at all.
Next summer I'd go all out and get Klopp and see if he'll bring Gundogan with him and maybe another. And he might even get Kagawa in the team playing good football.
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So one poor season and you want a new manager. Wow, for a match going fan you display the same insane lack of common sense as the one poster on here who lives in a shack in India and communicates in a Carfe.
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if we have a dreadful season and if our play hasnt improved then we should look for a good manager who can play attacking football and not hoofball
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If you think we played hoofball today you're dumber than I thought.
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I specifically counted today how many times we hoofed the ball and also pisted on the match thread.
Evans alone pointlessly hoofed the ball 7 times
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 19 seconds ago
Robb
I didn't want Moyes to begin with if you check.
Hiring a manager with not a single trophy on his CV and hardly any experience of working with top level players and no pedigree in Europe too to replace Fergie was always a BIG BIG risk.
Only a moron would disagree that point.
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Of course it's a risk but we're nowhere near the stage where anyone is in a position to say the risk has failed.
Sir Alex said that we should give Moyes time and he deserves that. What good is judging him after a few weeks?
comment by Robb Marmite (U9808)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ad-nan bread (U11386)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Robb Marmite (U9808)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 42 seconds ago
I'm almost ready to write this whole season off. It's just awful football we play. It's not exciting at all.
Next summer I'd go all out and get Klopp and see if he'll bring Gundogan with him and maybe another. And he might even get Kagawa in the team playing good football.
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So one poor season and you want a new manager. Wow, for a match going fan you display the same insane lack of common sense as the one poster on here who lives in a shack in India and communicates in a Carfe.
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if we have a dreadful season and if our play hasnt improved then we should look for a good manager who can play attacking football and not hoofball
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If you think we played hoofball today you're dumber than I thought.
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thanks
comment by Robb Marmite (U9808)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Wayne and Robin. Get rid of Young, Giggs, Welbeck, Evra, Anderson. Absolutely useless players in our squad whose contributions arent any bigger than the tea lady (U17937)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb Marmite (U9808)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 42 seconds ago
I'm almost ready to write this whole season off. It's just awful football we play. It's not exciting at all.
Next summer I'd go all out and get Klopp and see if he'll bring Gundogan with him and maybe another. And he might even get Kagawa in the team playing good football.
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So one poor season and you want a new manager. Wow, for a match going fan you display the same insane lack of common sense as the one poster on here who lives in a shack in India and communicates in a Carfe.
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As opposed to the resident Aussie who lives here 24/7 talking crap and promsing to leave and still returns like a beggar
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Yeah, why don't you do an article about it?
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Sorry I dont need to be an attention seeking wh()re like you
Robb
We've lost 3 of our first 8 games. We have drawn 2 others.
Top 4 is not even a formality for us. Far from it.
If we finish lower than 4th, he should be sacked.
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 2 minutes ago
Robb
We've lost 3 of our first 8 games. We have drawn 2 others.
Top 4 is not even a formality for us. Far from it.
If we finish lower than 4th, he should be sacked.
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But why? You do realise that the league has jumped massively in terms of quality this season and as you have said countless times, the Glazers have been extra stingy this summer.
How Moyes is to blame for inheriting a squad who were patched together by Sir Alex's genius and then coming into a league season with league quality at an all time high is bizarre.
The guy deserves a couple of years to impose himself on the squad and he'll get it.
comment by Robb Marmite (U9808)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 2 minutes ago
Robb
We've lost 3 of our first 8 games. We have drawn 2 others.
Top 4 is not even a formality for us. Far from it.
If we finish lower than 4th, he should be sacked.
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But why? You do realise that the league has jumped massively in terms of quality this season and as you have said countless times, the Glazers have been extra stingy this summer.
How Moyes is to blame for inheriting a squad who were patched together by Sir Alex's genius and then coming into a league season with league quality at an all time high is bizarre.
The guy deserves a couple of years to impose himself on the squad and he'll get it.
...................................................................................
robb
you do realize that you are blaming everyone except moyes for our current state?
first fergie now the glazers
comment by hiro nakamora (U1445)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Robb Marmite (U9808)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 2 minutes ago
Robb
We've lost 3 of our first 8 games. We have drawn 2 others.
Top 4 is not even a formality for us. Far from it.
If we finish lower than 4th, he should be sacked.
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But why? You do realise that the league has jumped massively in terms of quality this season and as you have said countless times, the Glazers have been extra stingy this summer.
How Moyes is to blame for inheriting a squad who were patched together by Sir Alex's genius and then coming into a league season with league quality at an all time high is bizarre.
The guy deserves a couple of years to impose himself on the squad and he'll get it.
...................................................................................
robb
you do realize that you are blaming everyone except moyes for our current state?
first fergie now the glazers
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Moyes isn't without blame but as you can see with your own eyes he's getting ALL the blame on here which is simply not fair.
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No manger gets a couple of years anymore robb. Stop being so naive.
Fergie got time but when he took over we hadn't won the league in over 20 years. Expectations weren't that high then. We were a sleeping giant but not a team expected to win titles every year.
David Moyes want get time if results don't improve and fast. United missing out on CL football could be potentially hugely damaging to the club.
robb getting back to todays game. What do you think moyes was at with the changes ?
Moyes cost us the points today.
Getting over run in midfield and did nothing about it.
Defence playing well and he disrupted it.
Rooney and Fellaini should have both come off way before they did because they were awful today.
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 2 minutes ago
No manger gets a couple of years anymore robb. Stop being so naive.
Fergie got time but when he took over we hadn't won the league in over 20 years. Expectations weren't that high then. We were a sleeping giant but not a team expected to win titles every year.
David Moyes want get time if results don't improve and fast. United missing out on CL football could be potentially hugely damaging to the club.
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I would bet everything I have that Moyes won't be sacked if we finish 5th.
comment by Bale's left it to Lamela (U17605)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Rooneys HeadBand (U1664)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Bale's left it to Lamela (U17605)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Rooneys HeadBand (U1664)
posted 1 second ago
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are you ever coming off?
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what do you mean?
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I mean it was only a cut on his head, you've been there for weeks!
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oh I see, everyone seems to have had these sort of names
comment by Hippo on Toast (mufc) - follow the new ja606 twitter @jalob_official (U1301)
posted 5 minutes ago
robb you are really talking total bs today.
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You mean he talks sense other days?
This thread has cheered me up
Thanks
comment by blabla (U11635)
posted 3 minutes ago
robb getting back to todays game. What do you think moyes was at with the changes ?
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Smalling came on to deal with the height that Lambert coming on brought, Giggs came on to help close out the game with his experience and Welbeck came on to have fresh legs when we broke as Saints would obviously be pushing for an equaliser and he actually did break but for a last ditch tackle from Schneiderlin which would have gone to Rooney.
The players deserve blame too.
I've never seen a post match day on here where the manager gets ALL the blame. It's quite worrying from a forum point of view as it just shows how silly some people are on here.
comment by Wayne and Robin. Get rid of Young, Giggs, Welb... (U17937)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Hippo on Toast (mufc) - follow the new ja606 twitter @jalob_official (U1301)
posted 5 minutes ago
robb you are really talking total bs today.
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You mean he talks sense other days?
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I would bet everything I have that Moyes won't be sacked if we finish 5th.
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1. Yes he would.
2. 5th is not a given
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posted on 19/10/13
comment by Robb Marmite (U9808)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 42 seconds ago
I'm almost ready to write this whole season off. It's just awful football we play. It's not exciting at all.
Next summer I'd go all out and get Klopp and see if he'll bring Gundogan with him and maybe another. And he might even get Kagawa in the team playing good football.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So one poor season and you want a new manager. Wow, for a match going fan you display the same insane lack of common sense as the one poster on here who lives in a shack in India and communicates in a Carfe.
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if we have a dreadful season and if our play hasnt improved then we should look for a good manager who can play attacking football and not hoofball
posted on 19/10/13
comment by Ad-nan bread (U11386)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Robb Marmite (U9808)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 42 seconds ago
I'm almost ready to write this whole season off. It's just awful football we play. It's not exciting at all.
Next summer I'd go all out and get Klopp and see if he'll bring Gundogan with him and maybe another. And he might even get Kagawa in the team playing good football.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So one poor season and you want a new manager. Wow, for a match going fan you display the same insane lack of common sense as the one poster on here who lives in a shack in India and communicates in a Carfe.
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if we have a dreadful season and if our play hasnt improved then we should look for a good manager who can play attacking football and not hoofball
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If you think we played hoofball today you're dumber than I thought.
posted on 19/10/13
There were patches today when utd were very good but you cant keep giving the ball away time and again and expect not to get punished. The number of times rooney was caught in pocession was shocking. Not jumping on the fellaini bandwagon but I hope he dosent have as bad a day again as he had today trying to tackle. Fair play to southampton they worked hard and were brave today.
Finally Giggs for the love of god will you just retire
posted on 19/10/13
Robb
I didn't want Moyes to begin with if you check.
Hiring a manager with not a single trophy on his CV and hardly any experience of working with top level players and no pedigree in Europe too to replace Fergie was always a BIG BIG risk.
Only a moron would disagree that point.
posted on 19/10/13
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 19/10/13
comment by Wayne and Robin. Get rid of Young, Giggs, Welbeck, Evra, Anderson. Absolutely useless players in our squad whose contributions arent any bigger than the tea lady (U17937)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb Marmite (U9808)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 42 seconds ago
I'm almost ready to write this whole season off. It's just awful football we play. It's not exciting at all.
Next summer I'd go all out and get Klopp and see if he'll bring Gundogan with him and maybe another. And he might even get Kagawa in the team playing good football.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So one poor season and you want a new manager. Wow, for a match going fan you display the same insane lack of common sense as the one poster on here who lives in a shack in India and communicates in a Carfe.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
As opposed to the resident Aussie who lives here 24/7 talking crap and promsing to leave and still returns like a beggar
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, why don't you do an article about it?
posted on 19/10/13
comment by Robb Marmite (U9808)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Ad-nan bread (U11386)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Robb Marmite (U9808)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 42 seconds ago
I'm almost ready to write this whole season off. It's just awful football we play. It's not exciting at all.
Next summer I'd go all out and get Klopp and see if he'll bring Gundogan with him and maybe another. And he might even get Kagawa in the team playing good football.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So one poor season and you want a new manager. Wow, for a match going fan you display the same insane lack of common sense as the one poster on here who lives in a shack in India and communicates in a Carfe.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
if we have a dreadful season and if our play hasnt improved then we should look for a good manager who can play attacking football and not hoofball
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If you think we played hoofball today you're dumber than I thought.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I specifically counted today how many times we hoofed the ball and also pisted on the match thread.
Evans alone pointlessly hoofed the ball 7 times
posted on 19/10/13
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 19 seconds ago
Robb
I didn't want Moyes to begin with if you check.
Hiring a manager with not a single trophy on his CV and hardly any experience of working with top level players and no pedigree in Europe too to replace Fergie was always a BIG BIG risk.
Only a moron would disagree that point.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course it's a risk but we're nowhere near the stage where anyone is in a position to say the risk has failed.
Sir Alex said that we should give Moyes time and he deserves that. What good is judging him after a few weeks?
posted on 19/10/13
comment by Robb Marmite (U9808)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ad-nan bread (U11386)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Robb Marmite (U9808)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 42 seconds ago
I'm almost ready to write this whole season off. It's just awful football we play. It's not exciting at all.
Next summer I'd go all out and get Klopp and see if he'll bring Gundogan with him and maybe another. And he might even get Kagawa in the team playing good football.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So one poor season and you want a new manager. Wow, for a match going fan you display the same insane lack of common sense as the one poster on here who lives in a shack in India and communicates in a Carfe.
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if we have a dreadful season and if our play hasnt improved then we should look for a good manager who can play attacking football and not hoofball
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If you think we played hoofball today you're dumber than I thought.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
thanks
posted on 19/10/13
comment by Robb Marmite (U9808)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Wayne and Robin. Get rid of Young, Giggs, Welbeck, Evra, Anderson. Absolutely useless players in our squad whose contributions arent any bigger than the tea lady (U17937)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb Marmite (U9808)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 42 seconds ago
I'm almost ready to write this whole season off. It's just awful football we play. It's not exciting at all.
Next summer I'd go all out and get Klopp and see if he'll bring Gundogan with him and maybe another. And he might even get Kagawa in the team playing good football.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So one poor season and you want a new manager. Wow, for a match going fan you display the same insane lack of common sense as the one poster on here who lives in a shack in India and communicates in a Carfe.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
As opposed to the resident Aussie who lives here 24/7 talking crap and promsing to leave and still returns like a beggar
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, why don't you do an article about it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sorry I dont need to be an attention seeking wh()re like you
posted on 19/10/13
Robb
We've lost 3 of our first 8 games. We have drawn 2 others.
Top 4 is not even a formality for us. Far from it.
If we finish lower than 4th, he should be sacked.
posted on 19/10/13
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 2 minutes ago
Robb
We've lost 3 of our first 8 games. We have drawn 2 others.
Top 4 is not even a formality for us. Far from it.
If we finish lower than 4th, he should be sacked.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But why? You do realise that the league has jumped massively in terms of quality this season and as you have said countless times, the Glazers have been extra stingy this summer.
How Moyes is to blame for inheriting a squad who were patched together by Sir Alex's genius and then coming into a league season with league quality at an all time high is bizarre.
The guy deserves a couple of years to impose himself on the squad and he'll get it.
posted on 19/10/13
comment by Robb Marmite (U9808)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 2 minutes ago
Robb
We've lost 3 of our first 8 games. We have drawn 2 others.
Top 4 is not even a formality for us. Far from it.
If we finish lower than 4th, he should be sacked.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But why? You do realise that the league has jumped massively in terms of quality this season and as you have said countless times, the Glazers have been extra stingy this summer.
How Moyes is to blame for inheriting a squad who were patched together by Sir Alex's genius and then coming into a league season with league quality at an all time high is bizarre.
The guy deserves a couple of years to impose himself on the squad and he'll get it.
...................................................................................
robb
you do realize that you are blaming everyone except moyes for our current state?
first fergie now the glazers
posted on 19/10/13
comment by hiro nakamora (U1445)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Robb Marmite (U9808)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 2 minutes ago
Robb
We've lost 3 of our first 8 games. We have drawn 2 others.
Top 4 is not even a formality for us. Far from it.
If we finish lower than 4th, he should be sacked.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But why? You do realise that the league has jumped massively in terms of quality this season and as you have said countless times, the Glazers have been extra stingy this summer.
How Moyes is to blame for inheriting a squad who were patched together by Sir Alex's genius and then coming into a league season with league quality at an all time high is bizarre.
The guy deserves a couple of years to impose himself on the squad and he'll get it.
...................................................................................
robb
you do realize that you are blaming everyone except moyes for our current state?
first fergie now the glazers
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Moyes isn't without blame but as you can see with your own eyes he's getting ALL the blame on here which is simply not fair.
posted on 19/10/13
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 19/10/13
No manger gets a couple of years anymore robb. Stop being so naive.
Fergie got time but when he took over we hadn't won the league in over 20 years. Expectations weren't that high then. We were a sleeping giant but not a team expected to win titles every year.
David Moyes want get time if results don't improve and fast. United missing out on CL football could be potentially hugely damaging to the club.
posted on 19/10/13
robb getting back to todays game. What do you think moyes was at with the changes ?
posted on 19/10/13
Moyes cost us the points today.
Getting over run in midfield and did nothing about it.
Defence playing well and he disrupted it.
Rooney and Fellaini should have both come off way before they did because they were awful today.
posted on 19/10/13
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 2 minutes ago
No manger gets a couple of years anymore robb. Stop being so naive.
Fergie got time but when he took over we hadn't won the league in over 20 years. Expectations weren't that high then. We were a sleeping giant but not a team expected to win titles every year.
David Moyes want get time if results don't improve and fast. United missing out on CL football could be potentially hugely damaging to the club.
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I would bet everything I have that Moyes won't be sacked if we finish 5th.
posted on 19/10/13
comment by Bale's left it to Lamela (U17605)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Rooneys HeadBand (U1664)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Bale's left it to Lamela (U17605)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Rooneys HeadBand (U1664)
posted 1 second ago
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are you ever coming off?
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what do you mean?
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I mean it was only a cut on his head, you've been there for weeks!
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oh I see, everyone seems to have had these sort of names
posted on 19/10/13
comment by Hippo on Toast (mufc) - follow the new ja606 twitter @jalob_official (U1301)
posted 5 minutes ago
robb you are really talking total bs today.
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You mean he talks sense other days?
posted on 19/10/13
This thread has cheered me up
Thanks
posted on 19/10/13
comment by blabla (U11635)
posted 3 minutes ago
robb getting back to todays game. What do you think moyes was at with the changes ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Smalling came on to deal with the height that Lambert coming on brought, Giggs came on to help close out the game with his experience and Welbeck came on to have fresh legs when we broke as Saints would obviously be pushing for an equaliser and he actually did break but for a last ditch tackle from Schneiderlin which would have gone to Rooney.
The players deserve blame too.
I've never seen a post match day on here where the manager gets ALL the blame. It's quite worrying from a forum point of view as it just shows how silly some people are on here.
posted on 19/10/13
comment by Wayne and Robin. Get rid of Young, Giggs, Welb... (U17937)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Hippo on Toast (mufc) - follow the new ja606 twitter @jalob_official (U1301)
posted 5 minutes ago
robb you are really talking total bs today.
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You mean he talks sense other days?
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posted on 19/10/13
I would bet everything I have that Moyes won't be sacked if we finish 5th.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Yes he would.
2. 5th is not a given
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