With all these comments Fergie is proving that he's an elite
Fergie's just jealous he never had the best midfielder in the PL era.
Only saying what his saying for ££££ anyway
Well to be fair he did say he was one of the few who didn't rate Gerrard as a top top player...
I can see where Fergie is coming from when he makes remarks about Gerrard and Lampard not being elite players.
I think if anything, the auto biography just shows him as a man who takes no crap.
Didn't Fergie try hard on at least one occasion to bring Lampard to Utd ?
Probably would have won even more if he had, especially after Scholes's first retirement.
Is their any content on Fergie's actual life in this book or is it just cobbled together embellished quotes to create the greatest wum of all time?
TGI considering he's the greatest manager of all time I would have thought he had more to say about his own fascinating life without having to slag off former players.
My thoughts exactly. A complete load of tosh.
Lampard clearly has a lot more class than Fergi.
Fergie is spot on about both players, on the international stage tthey are ordinary, neither are elite, well said Fergie.
He is the best of the best the fact that no midfielder even comes close to his goal tally is testament to that.
He is just jealous he never had the wherewithal to sign him and that Scholes is overshadowed by him.
Both Gerrard and Scholes are better than Lampard. It's only the Chelsea fans that can't see it.
comment by Pâî§Lë¥'š... (U1541)
posted 25 minutes ago
Both Gerrard and Scholes are better than Lampard. It's only the Chelsea fans that can't see it.
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Shock horror we haven't heard this one before.
If Lampard had played for media darlings Man Utd or Liverpool he would have got the full credit he deserves.
Lampard might be slightly on the wane now at the age of 35 but I can assure you that there are very good reasons why Chelsea fans call him Super.
Without Lampard I doubt we would have won even half the things we've won in the Abramovich era and I wouldn't have swapped him for either Scholes or Gerrard.
He suited Chelsea's system well, getting forward well and feeding off one of the best strikers the premiershio has seen in Drogba. Without Drogba, and the other great players around him Lampard wouldn't have flourished so spectacularly. He has a great shot and times his runs well, but in Drogba he had a player who could hold the ball up allowing him to make these forward runs, with two holding players behind him, providing the cover.
For different reasons Scholes and Gerrard are above him imo as they have more to their allround game. I think a majority neutrals and rival fans would come to the same conclusion. Chelsea fans will obviously find this hard to accept.
we find it hard to accept because Lampard's stats crap over Gerrard and Scholes combined. Let alone them individually being better.
Using that logice king of the bridge Phil Neville was a better midfielder than Lampard because he won more trophies.
Being a midfielder isn't just about scoring deflected goals.
Lampard is a quality player but elite? No fecking way. Gerrard ans Scholes are streets ahead of him
No fecking way. Gerrard ans Scholes are streets ahead of him
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Are you for real?
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 3 hours, 38 minutes ago
Using that logice king of the bridge Phil Neville was a better midfielder than Lampard because he won more trophies.
Being a midfielder isn't just about scoring deflected goals.
Lampard is a quality player but elite? No fecking way. Gerrard ans Scholes are streets ahead of him
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Goals wise, Lampard is streets ahead of both.
Assist wise, Lampard is streets ahead of both
Successfull passing wise, Lampard is ahead of both
Furthermore, did Gerrard or Scholes ever get nominated 2nd in both the FWPY and Ballon'dor awards as Lampard did?
David Platt had a fabulous scoring record for England. Better than Lampard and Gerrard. Is he better than them ? No.
Lampard has also been playing in a better team than Gerrard for the last 10 years hence more goals.Stats about passing and assists are helpful, but only a guide.You can make great passes and the striker can miss and some players with passes try things which don't always come off. Others play safe and may have a better passing percentage.I am not saying this about Lampard, but it is more a comment about stats.
Given the choice, I would just choose Gerrard, but it is not ridiculous to choose Lampard over him. Some people act as though it is nonsensical to prefer the other one to their choice.
or you could argue Gerrard has stood out cos for most parts he's been a Big Fish in a Feckin small pond!!
Maybe, but if Lampard played for Liverpool and Gerrard for Chelsea, would this be a topic played out as often.
Some of the comments on here are ridiculous
Someone above said he was only good because he played with drogba and if he didn't he wouldn't have shone
That's the most pathetic reasoning I have heard one a five year old would make
You base an argument as fact which really is your own assumption. He played with drogba and that's that. Scholars played with various world class players in his time and whilst I rate scholes very highly he just can't and never will be seen as better than frank.
And that my friend is based on fact and statistical evidence.
he just can't and never will be seen as better than frank.
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Based on fact
Scholes might not have the same "stats" as Frank, but when have "stats" ever told the whole story. Take Lampard "stats" before the signing of the players who allowed him to do what he does best were signed. You have a very good player, but his "stats" suffer.
As a Chelsea fan if you can't appreciate what the system and players such as Drogba, Makelele and Essien helped Lampard do in that Chelsea team then your're myopic. Take these players away and for West Ham, for Chelsea and for England, Frank's "stats" aren't so impressive.
He's a great player, but he falls below the level of the other two.
I don't see why this has turned into Lampard vs Gerrard vs Scholes? They all are/were "elite".
Over the last 10 years Lampard has been miles more consistent than Gerrard. Fact!!!
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posted on 23/10/13
With all these comments Fergie is proving that he's an elite
posted on 23/10/13
Fergie's just jealous he never had the best midfielder in the PL era.
Only saying what his saying for ££££ anyway
posted on 23/10/13
Well to be fair he did say he was one of the few who didn't rate Gerrard as a top top player...
I can see where Fergie is coming from when he makes remarks about Gerrard and Lampard not being elite players.
I think if anything, the auto biography just shows him as a man who takes no crap.
posted on 23/10/13
Didn't Fergie try hard on at least one occasion to bring Lampard to Utd ?
Probably would have won even more if he had, especially after Scholes's first retirement.
posted on 23/10/13
Is their any content on Fergie's actual life in this book or is it just cobbled together embellished quotes to create the greatest wum of all time?
posted on 23/10/13
* even more successful
posted on 23/10/13
TGI considering he's the greatest manager of all time I would have thought he had more to say about his own fascinating life without having to slag off former players.
posted on 23/10/13
My thoughts exactly. A complete load of tosh.
posted on 23/10/13
Lampard clearly has a lot more class than Fergi.
posted on 23/10/13
Fergie is spot on about both players, on the international stage tthey are ordinary, neither are elite, well said Fergie.
posted on 23/10/13
He is the best of the best the fact that no midfielder even comes close to his goal tally is testament to that.
He is just jealous he never had the wherewithal to sign him and that Scholes is overshadowed by him.
posted on 24/10/13
Both Gerrard and Scholes are better than Lampard. It's only the Chelsea fans that can't see it.
posted on 24/10/13
comment by Pâî§Lë¥'š... (U1541)
posted 25 minutes ago
Both Gerrard and Scholes are better than Lampard. It's only the Chelsea fans that can't see it.
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Shock horror we haven't heard this one before.
If Lampard had played for media darlings Man Utd or Liverpool he would have got the full credit he deserves.
Lampard might be slightly on the wane now at the age of 35 but I can assure you that there are very good reasons why Chelsea fans call him Super.
Without Lampard I doubt we would have won even half the things we've won in the Abramovich era and I wouldn't have swapped him for either Scholes or Gerrard.
posted on 24/10/13
He suited Chelsea's system well, getting forward well and feeding off one of the best strikers the premiershio has seen in Drogba. Without Drogba, and the other great players around him Lampard wouldn't have flourished so spectacularly. He has a great shot and times his runs well, but in Drogba he had a player who could hold the ball up allowing him to make these forward runs, with two holding players behind him, providing the cover.
For different reasons Scholes and Gerrard are above him imo as they have more to their allround game. I think a majority neutrals and rival fans would come to the same conclusion. Chelsea fans will obviously find this hard to accept.
posted on 24/10/13
we find it hard to accept because Lampard's stats crap over Gerrard and Scholes combined. Let alone them individually being better.
posted on 24/10/13
Using that logice king of the bridge Phil Neville was a better midfielder than Lampard because he won more trophies.
Being a midfielder isn't just about scoring deflected goals.
Lampard is a quality player but elite? No fecking way. Gerrard ans Scholes are streets ahead of him
posted on 24/10/13
No fecking way. Gerrard ans Scholes are streets ahead of him
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Are you for real?
posted on 24/10/13
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 3 hours, 38 minutes ago
Using that logice king of the bridge Phil Neville was a better midfielder than Lampard because he won more trophies.
Being a midfielder isn't just about scoring deflected goals.
Lampard is a quality player but elite? No fecking way. Gerrard ans Scholes are streets ahead of him
------------------------------------------------
Goals wise, Lampard is streets ahead of both.
Assist wise, Lampard is streets ahead of both
Successfull passing wise, Lampard is ahead of both
Furthermore, did Gerrard or Scholes ever get nominated 2nd in both the FWPY and Ballon'dor awards as Lampard did?
posted on 24/10/13
David Platt had a fabulous scoring record for England. Better than Lampard and Gerrard. Is he better than them ? No.
Lampard has also been playing in a better team than Gerrard for the last 10 years hence more goals.Stats about passing and assists are helpful, but only a guide.You can make great passes and the striker can miss and some players with passes try things which don't always come off. Others play safe and may have a better passing percentage.I am not saying this about Lampard, but it is more a comment about stats.
Given the choice, I would just choose Gerrard, but it is not ridiculous to choose Lampard over him. Some people act as though it is nonsensical to prefer the other one to their choice.
posted on 24/10/13
or you could argue Gerrard has stood out cos for most parts he's been a Big Fish in a Feckin small pond!!
posted on 24/10/13
Maybe, but if Lampard played for Liverpool and Gerrard for Chelsea, would this be a topic played out as often.
posted on 24/10/13
Some of the comments on here are ridiculous
Someone above said he was only good because he played with drogba and if he didn't he wouldn't have shone
That's the most pathetic reasoning I have heard one a five year old would make
You base an argument as fact which really is your own assumption. He played with drogba and that's that. Scholars played with various world class players in his time and whilst I rate scholes very highly he just can't and never will be seen as better than frank.
And that my friend is based on fact and statistical evidence.
posted on 24/10/13
he just can't and never will be seen as better than frank.
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Based on fact
Scholes might not have the same "stats" as Frank, but when have "stats" ever told the whole story. Take Lampard "stats" before the signing of the players who allowed him to do what he does best were signed. You have a very good player, but his "stats" suffer.
As a Chelsea fan if you can't appreciate what the system and players such as Drogba, Makelele and Essien helped Lampard do in that Chelsea team then your're myopic. Take these players away and for West Ham, for Chelsea and for England, Frank's "stats" aren't so impressive.
He's a great player, but he falls below the level of the other two.
posted on 24/10/13
I don't see why this has turned into Lampard vs Gerrard vs Scholes? They all are/were "elite".
posted on 24/10/13
Over the last 10 years Lampard has been miles more consistent than Gerrard. Fact!!!
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