Henry was very good in Spain. He was just better in England.

comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 8 minutes ago
Henry was very good in Spain. He was just better in England.
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Exactly darren, no one is going to remember henry as one of la liga's better players are they?

Doesn't really matter. Forlan was better than him in La Liga. I think overall most would agree than Henry was the better player.

At his time in england yes.

Seeing as that was his prime his career will be defined by it.

If you want to dissect each bit then fair enough. But then players such as Ronaldo and Zidane probably won't look as good as they actually were when there have been players that have player better than them in both Italy and Spain even if they aren't as good as them.

Darren, zidane was a massive success in italy and spain, ronaldo the same in holland, spain and italy, henry was fantastic in england but was nothing special in france, italy and spain, he falls into the kaka category of players, CR7 is on another level.

Forgot to mention Ronaldinho when talking about the greats^^^

But there were still better players to play in those countries. I think you're underrating how well Henry played in Spain. He was one of Barca's top players and integral in a team that won the CL. Just because Messi was better as he was declining shouldn't take away from that.

Didn't watch enough of him in France but I'm sure Cristiano Ronaldo won't be judged by how well he played in Portugal.

Ronaldo has done better in both leagues of course, and so it's what puts him ahead, but doesn't mean that you cannot make a case for Henry being better than him which is my point.

Should players like Xavi or Scholes be penalised because they never played abroad?

Bergkamp wasn't the greatest in Italy but is regarded as one of the greats and rightly so.

I know there's a tendency to hype up the players that have played on our shores but at the same time we shouldn't always act like our players achievements here don't match up to those of players and teams abroad.

Henry was fantastic. Ronaldo is fantastic. Who was better? Doesn't matter that much. Glad I've seen them both play even though Ronaldo edges it for me.

What do people think of Ibra in terms of all time status. He's done it in pretty much every major league (excluding prem) aswell as Europe. But for some reason I don't see him as going down as an all time great. I think it's because of his nationality and his lack of succes with his country. When you think of All Time Greats you think Pele and Maradona instantly because they also win the World Cup. The likes of Basten take a little longer to remember because they didn't win that (but Basten did win the Euro's in his case)

Wtf,? Ibra is an all time great.
Internationals means fack all for me.
Messi, Ronaldo have won fack all at Internnational level and they are all time greats along with Pele, Maradona and Zidane for me

"Ibra is an all time great"

Yes but Messi is definitely an all time great. No question. There isn't a doubt. Whereas someone like Ronaldo who isn't as good would need to do more in terms of creating a legacy.
In 40 years time, more people will remember Messi than Ronaldo because Leo was that good. His international doesn't matter because he is that good.
Whereas people like Ronaldo and Ibra (who also don't have as good a international record) won't be forgotten, but they won't be remember as a truly great great player

Earl
Its a bit irrelevant to talk of Henry in Italy he played there for half a year and that too as a winger
As for Henry in Spain, he finished top scorer for barca in his first season, scored 26 in his second and did the treble. By the time he left barca the following season, he was 33. Like Darren said he was quite good in spain

Oh Ronaldo will be remembered just as much.
Because of Messis antics people tend to forget how much of a beast Ronaldo is.
Yes Messi is the better player but CR7 isnt far behind.
His goal scoring antics have far eclipsed any other striker I can remember for a long time.

Hard to judge Ibra in the pantheon of the greats because he's never really had a claim to being the best player in the world.

Disagree that people won't remember Ronaldo because Messi was better. They'll remember it as the Messi and Ronaldo era.

Reason being anyone that has watched this era will know it was these two players at the top and anyone that didn't will have hear from people that do or media in which case it'll be impossible to mention Messi's name without mentioning Ronaldo's.

This is a debate, although many feel it's not a debate any longer, that has gone on for years as to who is better. It's a debate that will continue for the next few generations.

Just as all the Scholes, Keane, Viera, Lampard and Gerrard debates have and will.

comment by Kyzr117 (U10805)
posted 1 minute ago
Earl
Its a bit irrelevant to talk of Henry in Italy he played there for half a year and that too as a winger
As for Henry in Spain, he finished top scorer for barca in his first season, scored 26 in his second and did the treble. By the time he left barca the following season, he was 33. Like Darren said he was quite good in spain


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I never said he wasn't quite good, i was just pointing out players like, Ronaldo, Zidane, Ronaldinho and CR7 are a few notches above quite good when it comes to playing in various leagues.

The fact is nobody scores "spectacular" goals better than Ibrahimovic.

That too on a consistent basis

Thierry Henry did.

So did le tissier

Not as much as Ibra though. And le tessier wasnt as hugely known outside of England in the continent and the rest of the world as much as Henry or Ibra.

Yeah, Le Tissier was one of the greatest strikers some of us had ever seen. But let's face it, if you're not doing substantially well in Europe (let alone on the international stage) then your legacy will struggle to reach out further than the league /country you're in

I don't remember Henry scoring that many 'spectacular' goals, just virtually every game lost his marker, got himself 1:1 with the keeper, and finished off the inside of the post with near perfect accuracy.

More flawless execution of something 'simple' than Ronaldinho-ish.

Henry probably scored as many if not more spectacular goals. He didn't score those ridiculous karate kick goals Ibra has but Ibra didn't really score goals where he dribbled past half the team and curled it into the top hand corner.

I think you could argue because football wasnt as globally accessible when le tissier was playing... ye we all watched gazetta italia on the weekend, but it was not like today where u could watch any game in any league if you have an internet connection.