So the question I want boxing people to answer is, once he retires and the dust has settled on his career and he is spoke about in years to come, will he be remembered ulitimately as a great warrior, 4 times world champ etc etc, or will he be remembered as a deluded arrogant slugger who was knowhere near as good as he thought he was??
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for me, i will remember him as a top british fighter, who fought brilliantly for years at world level, once the dust settles from this fight and post fight, people will appreciate how good Carl Froch was at his best

fair shout mex, thats your opinion! I think he will be remembered as an incredible athlete with an incredible chin and heart but not a very nice human being! He will never be granted into the hall of fame with the great boxers because he isnt a great boxer, hes a great fighter, such a massive difference!

You get into the HOF for you contribution to boxing

He will never be granted into the hall of fame with the great boxers because he isnt a great boxer, hes a great fighter, such a massive difference!

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i'd go along with that, but you can only work with what youve got, and he's made a great career for himself and won some great fights and beaten some top fighters

Froch is quite possibly the most limited boxer ever to rise to the top, id be interested to no of any other names who have had less defence, footwork, headmovement etc who have achieved what he has? I mean its not even like he even has the one punch knockout power either which alot of successful limited boxers get by on, he has to pummel his opponents before they drop or get stopped!

what mex said......


he's let himself down massively with his condesending attitude post fight.....

but SHLD retire....and be seen as one of britains all time greats.

Froch will be remembered as a fighter who maximised his limited ability on the World stage. Unrefined technically and defensively flawed he got to the top through extreme durability (one of the best chins around), good punch power and a will to get in the trenches.

He will also get respect from the fact he fought an impressive string of World Level boxers (Bute and Mack notable exceptions).

However, he will also be remembered for being arrogant beyond any justification his abilities might have bought him with a complete lack of insight into how badly exposed certain fighters made him look. All of Froch’s defeats come complete with “I wasn’t at my best” strapline. So even if a rematch happens (though I doubt it will) he will never acknowledge how good Groves is. For these factors his legacy will suffer immeasurably.

The general adoration of Ricky Hatton is a good comparison. A limited and exciting fighter who got to fight at the top. Yet Ricky has always been honest about his flaws and given glowing respect to those that beat him or gave him good fights.

Ricky's attitude won him lots of fans and has played no small part in how his career is now judged.

If he is that limited and it is a point then he deserves credit for getting to where he got to. He has made the best use of what he has unlike some fighters.

Well said sec

Bute was an unbeaten champion regarded by some as the divisional no. 1 and was the favourite to beat Froch.

Froch is not void of boxing ability, he is a good boxer, George Groves just made him look amateurish.

It should be an indictment of Groves's ability not Froch's inability.

I don't get the outburst of anti-Froch.

Is he a nice fella? Not particularly.

Could he have handled the media better with regards Groves? Definitely.

He is still a fighter that has been prepared to enter the ring against individual with greater talent than he has and more often than not he's emeraged victorious. To do that you've got to have incredible self confidence.

Maybe he's taken that too far and maybe he believes his own hype a little bit. Let's face it though, he's hardly the first boxer to do that!

My opinion of Froch this week is the same as it was last week, he's a world level fighter who has been prepared to fight the best. As a person I don't particularly care for him but as a boxer I certainly respect him and his acheivements.

If anything I find the belittling of Froch as distasteful as his belittling of Groves.

He's actually not a 4 time champion. The current WBA belt he has is not the official world title belt as Andre Ward has that belt. It's just a dummy version like the one Scott Quigg has.

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comment by Lord VIK II (U12889)
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Froch has fought the elite of his time and he has avenged all his losses except against ward,who in turn may go down as one of the best fighters of his era.

Froch might not have the defensive mastery of a mayweather,or the hand speed of a pacquiao,but he has decent power and can take a beating,I may not like what he does outside the ring but I respect him as a fighter,and as a fighter he will go down as one of best that has come out of this country.
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Regardless what you think of Froch he will go down as one tough maddafacker. He always delivers entertaining fights.

<b>But<b> he's a tonk. A lying tonk. A delusional tonk. All boxers bar none are delusional, egotists and up themselves. They have to be. It's called self belief in their field. Were Froch to apologise, his mystique which he built around himself will be destroyed. But his delisions are way beyond what other boxers 'suffer' from. To actually claim he has dominated the world SMW division is a blatant lie. To claim he was about to KO Groves is in the Mystic Meg territory. But most other boxers would have said that.

But to claim Groves was disrespectful is ridiculous. And to maintain that lie after the fight is stupid. Most other boxers are humble after fights. Even Duran. But this guy is a Grade A tonk.

He has now boxed himself into a corner. He either has to fight Groves again or retire. Nothing else will satisfy boxing fans. If he fights Groves again, he will lose and lose badly. Groves has gained valuable experience. The only thing he lacked. He knows he can beat Froch and knows he can ko froch. Froch cannot improve. He may come out using the jab more. But Groves slips that and counters him with over the top rights. He will hit him with the right so often that Froch will beg for a left. A left hook will KO Froch in 6.

Boom boom.

Paisley, he couldn't duck anyone. He signed up for the Super 6 meaning he had to fight those guys.

I don't remember him ducking anyone prior to the Super 6. This is superfluous anyway. His record shows who he has fought. If he was a ducker he wouldn't have signed.

He didn't fight anyone of note other than Pascal who was probably weight drained. Not saying he would have ducked the guys he subsequently fought.

Pascal was not weight drained, and he fought Jermain Taylor in the states.

Better opposition than the most of the other super six opponents

Pascal went up straight to LHW and was huge at the weight. How he made SMW is anyone's guess.

He fought Taylow and was losing before Taylor did his usual late round gassing. Taylor was blown away by AA in similar circumstances. And AA is not really that good. A decent boxer with a howitzer of a punch.

Guess you never seen either fight if you can make comments like that.

And it clear that you don't understand the state of play when those fights happened

Hopkins had JT all over the place in the 12th on both their fights. True or false. AA knocked out JT in the 12th, true or false? To me that would suggest that JT had issues with stamina. I could be wrong, but a boxer who gets KO'd twice in the 12th and nearly KO'd twice more in the 12th in other fights has issues. Then again it is you I'm talking to. The one who reckons loaded gloves are safer than normal ones and that Paq is a better fighter than Floyd.

I saw the Froch Pascal fight on ITV2 (or 4). Great fight with Carl displaying his caveman chin. I also saw Pascal win the lhw title as a huge lhw. I could be wrong in all of these.

So you didn't see Froch Taylor.
Taylor who beat Hopkins Twice, who is a massive puncher had a great jab, fast and yes he did have stamina issues but still he ended Hopkins 20 defences run.

Do you know what was Pascal ring weight, did he has any signs of being weight drained like how Castillo was when he faced Floyd?

I see you bought into the propaganda, and I thought you were a man who could think for himself