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posted on 14/8/11

People don't accept complaints about the owners I know, but I don't know what you expect when a) some people's season tickets still haven't arrived and b) ticket prices are over the top. Of Course the attendance will be poor. Make tickets cheaper and fans will flock n. I can't promise you it will be the same amount or kind of fans who came to watch Real Madrid and not Leicester, but the club only have themselves to blame if people can't afford it.

And there was no booing of the players, only of the result, look around at every club game in the country - when the team loses, the fans boo at the final whistle. There was more booing for that muppet singing 'Livin' on a prayer' for crying out loud.

Our fans were terrific in the first half, if you want to see rubbish fans look at Reading. You obviously weren't at the game if you think they outshone uus, they barely piped up until they scored, until then we absolutely caned them in the stands.

Shut up about our support and start blaming the team, it is they who are letting us down, not the other way round.

And for the record - I managed to encourage 2 friends to come, but the only way I could do that was by getting them under 12 tickets!

comment by MGLCFC (U4958)

posted on 14/8/11

Support is poor at home Emilio - 23000 is pathetic for a team who have spent so much, won their first two games. Whilst some things haven't gone as smoothly as possible, the Thai owners have kept their word and invested heavily - not all they are doing is an improvement IMO (the God awful half time entertainment for one). Booing is not acceptable - I don't care if people are frustrated, I'm sure the players are disapponted with their performance and don't need a further reminders. The problem is with Leicester fans they expect to win every game and that teams will just roll over. Even teams like Man U have off days.
As for ticket pricing, I think they are pretty reasonable in comparison to other teams (and league data backs that up). Wait til we're in Premier League if you think this is steep. My mate is a Wolves fan and he says it is £50 on AVERAGE to watch your team play away!!

posted on 14/8/11

There always seems to be this hysteria when fans boo at the final whistle, I think this mainly caused by the media trying to create controversy more than anything. Stringer and Youngy did it yesterday and I felt like giving them a good slap ( was along the lines of: oooh was that booing Youngy??….interesting very interesting) as it’s obvious the fans are booing the result and not focussing on individuals! The fans are disappointed and I find this reacted perfectly normal and acceptable.

posted on 14/8/11

I have decided to leave the KOP after yesterdays performance.

Had one dimwit shouting that we had spent 10M everytime we missed a pass etc.

The atmosphere has always been rubbish untill the ref makes a howler or we score. I am fed up of it.

It's got too family orientated and has gotten to the point where you have familys that sit down on the back row of the KOP! I mean what the ... is that all about?

Stand up and sing fgs!

Moving to J3 now as thats the closest to away fans that I can get!

comment by MGLCFC (U4958)

posted on 14/8/11

I'm seriously thinking of moving to L1 if I can get a seat near some mates

posted on 14/8/11

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posted on 14/8/11

The trouble with ticket prices is that, for any buisness person coming in and looking at how to increase total revenue (as Susan Whelan is doing) is that basic economics tells you the one thing you shouldn't do with a football club is lower prices because the inelasticity of a football club is absolutely insane and is unrivalled in any other business sector.

Obviouslly we know that usually it doesn't work but the commercial people at football clubs will see the inelasticity and their eyes will light up and the one thing they won't think to do is lower prices.

comment by MGLCFC (U4958)

posted on 14/8/11

Emilio sometimes you are just plain rude - my argument is not poor - it is fact. In comparison are prices are decent to other NPC teams and in the real world you look at your competitors and try to do better, which we do. Again it is your opinion that ticket prices are unreasonable - at £15 per home game I think that is reasonable as a season ticket holder. As for £25 for occasional supporters I suppose it depends what you call expensive - personally I don't think £25 is overpriced. Having supported Leicester for longer than you've probably been alive Emilio I'm fully aware we don't have a core support of 30000 (although they seem to come out of the woodwork when there is a trip to Wembley) as 10000 was deemed to be a decent crowd back in the 70's at Filbert Street. As for Derby, their tickets are heavily subsidised by business incentives and good luck to them and if we could introduce something like that great. Lastly, a season ticket is around £359 which is good value - you can't substantially lower gate prices on the day otherwise season ticket holders would be in uproar.

posted on 14/8/11

When you consider most of the other gates at Championship matches yesterday, some of which were dire given the fact it was the opening day, our attendance was reasonably good.

It would be interesting to find out exactly how many City fans live within, say, 20 miles of the ground. For them gaining access to the match would be fairly easy but this club has a good nationwide fanbase and for many it would prove to be a difficult task. I have a 236-mile round trip to home matches. The cost, including a ticket, fuel and refreshment, is around £60-70 a throw. I have to take a day off if I want to come to Leicester whether that be for a day or evening fixture and I could only do this once or maybe twice a month if I am lucky.

I have said this before-these are hard times and folk can't afford this outlay week in, week out. I am fed up of the never-ending rise in the cost of everything.

posted on 14/8/11

MGLCFC - it's not rude to say your argument is poor, it's just an observation. Don't be so touchy.

I get the feeling you're pretty well off but you can't just expect everyone to be able to afford what you can. For season ticket holders it isn't that bad but I'm pretty sure we don't have more than 23,000 season ticket holders, so I don't understand where you're coming from. I'm sure the majority of season ticket holders were there yesterday, I'm complaining about the match tickets.

As I'm trying to explain - whether people can afford to go to games is one thing, but £25 is still quite a lot of money for young people. If these said young people aren't particularly bothered about Leicester and only turn up when they're free and can be bothered (such as my friends) then they're aren't going to be inticed by our prices, whether they are cheaper than some other places or not. Why are other teams price comparisons relevant? If it's too expensive, it's too expensive, it doesn't matter if it's slightly less expensive somewhere else (especially if if that somewhere else is in another City where they're obviously not going to go just to watch the football!)

My point about is not having a 30,000 strong fanbase is that you are knocking our support - when in fact it isn't Leicester supporters that haven't turned up, it's mostly part-timers who have been put off by the ticket prices.

posted on 14/8/11

My other point was that you are comparing our ticket prices with others that are more expensive in the Championship, yet we have higher attendances than most of them even if our attendance is 'poor'. It's not like our ticket prices are cheaper and we're getting less than everyone else, we're still getting more than most. We will never get more than Leeds or West Ham, they simply have bigger fanbases than us.

And lets not forget we've sold out 6,700 at Coventry and all our allocation at Forest. I think it's pretty out of order to knock our support so far this season.

comment by johngee (U5021)

posted on 14/8/11

I think you are missing the point Emilio.... the comments regarding attendance is targeted at those who are not there ... not our supporters .. who have turned up.

Season tickets are affordable if a fan is dedicated to supporting the club through thick and thin and targets attendance for every match -and with staggered payments it can reduce large one-off outlay.

The are not good value for those "supporters" who only want to watch when things are going well ... or if they haven't got anything better to do.

For them -let them buy their tickets as and when... and understandably at higher prices

comment by MGLCFC (U4958)

posted on 14/8/11

I wouldn't say I'm well off Emilio, just worked hard throughout my life. I still say that £25 isn't too much - it depends on what your priorities are - football, clubbing etc. Now I'm not saying you are a clubber, but I have 3 daughters in their 20's and none of them think anything of spending £50 on a night out in town which they probably don't remember too much of. All I'm trying to say is IMO £25 is reasonable in today's market and that young people can often find much more money for a night out.
I'm certainly not knocking our support because the true fans who turn up week in week out, home and away, is always unbelievable. It's strange how these fans who stay away aren't put off by the glory fixtures. As I've said before, if you decrease gate prices, season ticket holders like me will be in uproar if there are no benefits to paying upfront. I was not expecting a sell out on staturday or every week, but 23000 was a tad disappointing IMO. We all laughed at Cov last week at 21000 - well we weren't much better!

posted on 14/8/11

Johngee - I think you are missing my point. Who are you slating if not the real fans? The part-timers are not real fans and it's up to the club to intice people to come. Either you think prices are too expensive or you accept that we average 23-24K in the Championship. This is just the simple fact of the matter.

posted on 14/8/11

'All I'm trying to say is IMO £25 is reasonable in today's market and that young people can often find much more money for a night out.'

For me it is no contest - football always comes before clubbing. But for my friends it's the opposite. Uni-students are notoriously short of money (I'm not one) and also love clubbing! Now I love a good night on the town too but I love watching Leicester a lot more - but we can't expect everyone in Leicester to feel the same, sadly.

As I said in the previous post addressed to johngee, there's no point complaining about the attendance if you think the prices are fine, especially if it's still better than most in our league. it's not for us to say whether other people can afford or should want to fork out for LCFC tickets - if 23,000 is going to be our average attendance with the tickets at these prices then that's the way it is. People can't be forced to go so the only thing that can be done is being successful on the pitch and lowering prices. Either that or we accept 23,000 every week and don't complain.

posted on 14/8/11

'As I've said before, if you decrease gate prices, season ticket holders like me will be in uproar if there are no benefits to paying upfront.'

I agree with this to some extent but there needs to be a balance, whilst season ticket holders deserve a good deal you also need a good deal for single match tickets if you want to bring in a lot of supporters.

It would be interesting to do some figures about the profit the club would make in different scenarios - e.g. could they make more money with lower prices on the whole because they have attracted more fans, instead of having less fans paying for more expensive tickets?

I'm sure/would hope they have done such calculations and target research on the matter.

comment by MGLCFC (U4958)

posted on 14/8/11

I just wonder if we get in the Premier League if our attendances would peak at 23000 on average - the last time we were there it was around 30000 - people seem to be able to put their hands in their pockets for the big boys?

posted on 14/8/11

I meant to add to that last sentence - but do the people in charge of these decisions really know football fans/the people of Leicester? This of course being vital when deciding on ticket prices.

posted on 14/8/11

'I just wonder if we get in the Premier League if our attendances would peak at 23000 on average - the last time we were there it was around 30000 - people seem to be able to put their hands in their pockets for the big boys?'

Yep, that's the same for every club, Man Utd wouldn't fill Old Trafford in the Championship, even your non-league sides have higher attendances when they land a glamour tie in the cup. That's why they call them part-timers!

comment by MGLCFC (U4958)

posted on 14/8/11

So have we got a core support of say 23000 or 30000? Or does that depend on which league were in - if 30000 can afford Premiership prices, then why can't they support a team in NPC where prices will be lower?

posted on 14/8/11

Things are tight at the minute. People will either just be going, gone, or just come back off their holidays.

Skint is the key word. 23k isn't bad if you look down the road at their first game at home and only 14k showed up. Things are tight. I think that's going to be roughly our average, and with my optimism glasses on, when we pick up near the back end of the season we'll see a rise in attendance too.

posted on 14/8/11

Our core support is probably less than 23,000 - but it's all relative to what league we're in of course. If we were non-league how many fans would we get then?

30,000 turn up to watch Madrid and Premiership football because of those factors exactly. If we are successful or the opposition is glamourous it's more tempting for part-timers. Some people simply cannot afford it to go to every game but I think it's far more common that people would just rather spend £25 on something else (clubbing for example) unless it is a game 'worth going to', such as against Man Utd etc.

posted on 14/8/11

And going back to your point about Coventry, we took 6,000 to Coventry whereas I'd say Reading brought 2,000 at most. So Coventry had 15,000 home fans for their very first game in a local derby - we had 21,000 for our 3rd game against an unexciting opponent. So there is quite a difference there.

I expect us to be in the top 4 average attendances by the end of the season, and I also expect us to average 6-8K more than Coventry.

comment by MGLCFC (U4958)

posted on 14/8/11

All I'm suggesting is how come people can afford to pay up when we are in the Premiership (Av. 30000) but can't afford lower prices when we are in the Championship. How will your mates afford match day tickets next season if they are £35/£45 in the Prem, but I bet if we are in the Prem there will be sell out crowds most games.

posted on 14/8/11

Well it remians to be seen if we'll sell out every week if tickets were £35 a game. I'm still sceptical about this proposed capacity expansion - 40K is hugely optimistic even in the Premiership IMO.

There will be more season ticket holders in the Premier League though, people just jump on the bandwagon. People not only don't turn up now because of ticket prices, it's more to do with the ticket prices relative to the quality of football/opposition. People may feel wathcing us play Championship clubs every week isn't worth the price, yet watching big Premiership clubs is value for money despite it being more expensive.

This is not my view but it clearly is how a lot of people see it.

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