if the rumours of players unrest in the dressing room are true then Moyes should be removed this afternoon.
If a manager loses the dressing room it can only go one way on the pitch. To keep him under those circumstances would be a disaster.
However as I said. IF these rumours are true .....
Ridiculous story.
Let's look at who the big names in the dressing room are. Giggs, Rio, Rooney and Evra.
Giggs and Rooney have been giving their all this season and Evra and Rio are being shipped out this summer.
I read somewhere that RVP isn't in form this season and that article conveniently forgot that he's been injured half the season. Even with the injuries RVP has scored 10 goals in 16 games.
Unlike AVB at Chelsea, Moyes will survive because he has Sir Alex there fighting his corner whereas AVB had no-one.
We shouldn't get rid of Moyes because the players are rumoured to be throwing a strop. The players need to know they cant rule the roost and the manager wont be sacked every time they don't like someone. I doubt Evra is causing to much of a problem, as he is playing near enough week in week out, Moyes is praising him and Evra probably understands he is getting on a bit and he always talks about the need for competition, he will see it as a challenge. Rio seems to have a problem with Moyes, however he would as he isn't playing. Giggs will make sure they stand by the manager, if they wont listen to Moyes they will listen to Giggs.
There is no way Fergie will let the Glazers get rid of Moyes just because some players are rumoured to have taken a dislike to Moyes.
I'd doubt the story is fabricated but this kind of 'well placed source' information has to be taken with scepticism. Think of all the contradictory stories we have had from 'well placed sources' over the last year alone. All it requires is a mischievous comment from someone and some deeckhead briefs the journalist for his own reasons. I'd very much doubt even the most limited brain among the playing staff (I'm thinking Rio) would be talking openly about doubts / mutinies among his team mates. I'm sure there is a crisis of confidence of some scale at the moment, based around Moyes not injecting the kind of belief that they had a year ago (and not for want of trying) but I'd be amazed if he has 'lost the dressing room' in the sense of people openly defying his authority.
"Even with the injuries RVP has scored 10 goals in 16 games."
6 in 14 if you discount the community shield and the first gameof the season though Robb. He definitely hasn't been the same as the last two seasons when he has played, that is very high standards to maintain though.
Its sad to see rumours of infighting in dressing room circulating, Its sader to see Guardian stooping to Sun's level to publish gossips and non stories that has no evidence of proof.
They've done it for years Screen. You probably haven't seen it as they've never had a chance to say it might be happening at United before
Remember, this is the same newspaper that Daniel Taylor works for. Mr 'I hate United' himself.
You're kidding aren't you Robb? Have you bot read his book on ferguson?
Agree melton, They used to be quite reasonable and and factual when they report stories but now its just a better worded sun
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
You're kidding aren't you Robb? Have you bot read his book on ferguson?
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http://soccerlens.com/guardians-daniel-taylor-doesnt-deserve-to-write-about-manchester-united/3317/
I just remember this article from a while back and he often writes negative stories about us.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 46 minutes ago
This problem seems to arise when you have senior players, close to the end of their career who are very vocal... The heartbeat of the dressing room.
We saw it at Chelsea with Terry and Lamps... We are probably seeing it here too.. With Rio and Evra.
Not sure how it will pan out, but if they get shot of Moyes, the next guy will likely ship them on too.
If... And it is a nice if.. These rumours are true... Just sack off the players
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Wow, you want to just get rid of 30% of the players because you hope Moyes has what it takes at the club?
What if 90% on here are right, and you (the minority) are in fact wrong and Moyes simply doesn't have what it takes at Utd?
What has Moyes done so far to make you so confident in his ability that we should 'sack' a third of our players?
By the way, it isn't just the 'experienced' players who aren't playing for Moyes. Cleverly, Rafael, Smalling, Evans and others have also performed at a low standard since the take over.
To get rid of the likes of. RVP, Rooney, Vidic, Carrick, Evra and co (the 'heartbeat' of how dressing room) is plain crazy.
He's written far more positive than negative over the years, I certainly wouldn't describe him as having bias against you.
I would wholeheartedly recommend either of his books though, I don't think you would have the same viewpoint if you read them!
Busby
Rubbish!
Cleverley, Welbeck, Young, Januzaj, Rooney and Kagawa have all played better this season than under Sir Alex last.
Smalling has played at right back so it's not like he's playing badly in his best position.
As it is, as much as a third of our squad probably will leave this summer as their contracts will be ending and also the likes of Anderson, Buttner and maybe Valencia will be off.
Once they all go and a few new players come in the dressing room will be unrecogniseable and if even a fraction of these rumours are true, then it will be nipped in the bud.
comment by OOH_AH_Cantona (U3577)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Im sick of people moaning about Moyes changing the backroom staff.
..................
Why?
It is the biggest mistake he has made by far.
We have gone fronm a coaching team full of poeple who have won everything there is to win in the game to a coaching team who have won diddly squat. In fact one of the top coaches hasn't even coached before.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by OOH_AH_Cantona (U3577)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Im sick of people moaning about Moyes changing the backroom staff.
..................
Why?
It is the biggest mistake he has made by far.
We have gone fronm a coaching team full of poeple who have won everything there is to win in the game to a coaching team who have won diddly squat. In fact one of the top coaches hasn't even coached before.
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He got rid of only 3 people from Sir Alex's staff, one of them the GK coach, hardly revolutionising the club.
He got rid of only 3 people from Sir Alex's staff, one of them the GK coach, hardly revolutionising the club.
..............
It is who he got rid of.
Rene, if I am not mistaken, has been replaced by Phil Neville. Phelan has been repalced by some utter clown that I had never heard of before.
Phelan has been repalced by some utter clown that I had never heard of before.
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Yes, Steve Round, an 'utter clown'. What manager comes in a new club and doesn't bring his assistant with him?
VC wins the prize for most stupid comment of the day.
I really dont get the purpose of Steve Round, All he does is sit in the dug out and sulk. judging by our style of play, Its not like he is doing wonders behind the scenes as well. Useless appointment imo
one of them the GK coach, hardly revolutionising the club.
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If you did your homework you will know how vital Eric Steele was in keeping De Gae at the club after his baptism of fire in England, where he felt undervalued and homesick. Steele got him to get his head down and work to prove the doubtesrs wrong. In fact MUTV made an excellent documentary on the relationship between Steel and DG that made DG into the goaly he is today.
I can only think that with the sacking of Steel and bringing in Woods who I bet DG hasnt got a clue who he is, has made DG rethink his tenure in England. Especially if Barca come knocking soon. Which they will.
Screen
We were spoilt by Phelan.
atleast Phelan was shouting at players, whispering to SAF etc
It probably isn't Steve rounds job to implement a style of play or anything. Assistant managers sometimes are just there to provide a link between the players and the manager. Sort of a middle man kind of guy. Moyes should have done all he could to atleast keep one of Rene or Phelan.
Phelan knew what it meant to be a Manchester United player.
He might not have been everyones cup of tea, but he knew the ins and outs of how the club was ran.
The whole idea in hiring Moyes was for continuation from the way SAF ran things.
Why the hell would you not keep the main coaches who made that happen. IMO Moyes should have kept Phelan, and tried his utmost best to keep Rene to help him get through the first year of being our manager.
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posted on 9/1/14
if the rumours of players unrest in the dressing room are true then Moyes should be removed this afternoon.
If a manager loses the dressing room it can only go one way on the pitch. To keep him under those circumstances would be a disaster.
However as I said. IF these rumours are true .....
posted on 9/1/14
Ridiculous story.
Let's look at who the big names in the dressing room are. Giggs, Rio, Rooney and Evra.
Giggs and Rooney have been giving their all this season and Evra and Rio are being shipped out this summer.
I read somewhere that RVP isn't in form this season and that article conveniently forgot that he's been injured half the season. Even with the injuries RVP has scored 10 goals in 16 games.
Unlike AVB at Chelsea, Moyes will survive because he has Sir Alex there fighting his corner whereas AVB had no-one.
posted on 9/1/14
We shouldn't get rid of Moyes because the players are rumoured to be throwing a strop. The players need to know they cant rule the roost and the manager wont be sacked every time they don't like someone. I doubt Evra is causing to much of a problem, as he is playing near enough week in week out, Moyes is praising him and Evra probably understands he is getting on a bit and he always talks about the need for competition, he will see it as a challenge. Rio seems to have a problem with Moyes, however he would as he isn't playing. Giggs will make sure they stand by the manager, if they wont listen to Moyes they will listen to Giggs.
There is no way Fergie will let the Glazers get rid of Moyes just because some players are rumoured to have taken a dislike to Moyes.
posted on 9/1/14
I'd doubt the story is fabricated but this kind of 'well placed source' information has to be taken with scepticism. Think of all the contradictory stories we have had from 'well placed sources' over the last year alone. All it requires is a mischievous comment from someone and some deeckhead briefs the journalist for his own reasons. I'd very much doubt even the most limited brain among the playing staff (I'm thinking Rio) would be talking openly about doubts / mutinies among his team mates. I'm sure there is a crisis of confidence of some scale at the moment, based around Moyes not injecting the kind of belief that they had a year ago (and not for want of trying) but I'd be amazed if he has 'lost the dressing room' in the sense of people openly defying his authority.
posted on 9/1/14
"Even with the injuries RVP has scored 10 goals in 16 games."
6 in 14 if you discount the community shield and the first gameof the season though Robb. He definitely hasn't been the same as the last two seasons when he has played, that is very high standards to maintain though.
posted on 9/1/14
Well said Russian.
posted on 9/1/14
Its sad to see rumours of infighting in dressing room circulating, Its sader to see Guardian stooping to Sun's level to publish gossips and non stories that has no evidence of proof.
posted on 9/1/14
They've done it for years Screen. You probably haven't seen it as they've never had a chance to say it might be happening at United before
posted on 9/1/14
Remember, this is the same newspaper that Daniel Taylor works for. Mr 'I hate United' himself.
posted on 9/1/14
You're kidding aren't you Robb? Have you bot read his book on ferguson?
posted on 9/1/14
Agree melton, They used to be quite reasonable and and factual when they report stories but now its just a better worded sun
posted on 9/1/14
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
You're kidding aren't you Robb? Have you bot read his book on ferguson?
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http://soccerlens.com/guardians-daniel-taylor-doesnt-deserve-to-write-about-manchester-united/3317/
I just remember this article from a while back and he often writes negative stories about us.
posted on 9/1/14
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 46 minutes ago
This problem seems to arise when you have senior players, close to the end of their career who are very vocal... The heartbeat of the dressing room.
We saw it at Chelsea with Terry and Lamps... We are probably seeing it here too.. With Rio and Evra.
Not sure how it will pan out, but if they get shot of Moyes, the next guy will likely ship them on too.
If... And it is a nice if.. These rumours are true... Just sack off the players
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Wow, you want to just get rid of 30% of the players because you hope Moyes has what it takes at the club?
What if 90% on here are right, and you (the minority) are in fact wrong and Moyes simply doesn't have what it takes at Utd?
What has Moyes done so far to make you so confident in his ability that we should 'sack' a third of our players?
By the way, it isn't just the 'experienced' players who aren't playing for Moyes. Cleverly, Rafael, Smalling, Evans and others have also performed at a low standard since the take over.
To get rid of the likes of. RVP, Rooney, Vidic, Carrick, Evra and co (the 'heartbeat' of how dressing room) is plain crazy.
posted on 9/1/14
He's written far more positive than negative over the years, I certainly wouldn't describe him as having bias against you.
I would wholeheartedly recommend either of his books though, I don't think you would have the same viewpoint if you read them!
posted on 9/1/14
Busby
Rubbish!
Cleverley, Welbeck, Young, Januzaj, Rooney and Kagawa have all played better this season than under Sir Alex last.
Smalling has played at right back so it's not like he's playing badly in his best position.
As it is, as much as a third of our squad probably will leave this summer as their contracts will be ending and also the likes of Anderson, Buttner and maybe Valencia will be off.
Once they all go and a few new players come in the dressing room will be unrecogniseable and if even a fraction of these rumours are true, then it will be nipped in the bud.
posted on 9/1/14
comment by OOH_AH_Cantona (U3577)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Im sick of people moaning about Moyes changing the backroom staff.
..................
Why?
It is the biggest mistake he has made by far.
We have gone fronm a coaching team full of poeple who have won everything there is to win in the game to a coaching team who have won diddly squat. In fact one of the top coaches hasn't even coached before.
posted on 9/1/14
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by OOH_AH_Cantona (U3577)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Im sick of people moaning about Moyes changing the backroom staff.
..................
Why?
It is the biggest mistake he has made by far.
We have gone fronm a coaching team full of poeple who have won everything there is to win in the game to a coaching team who have won diddly squat. In fact one of the top coaches hasn't even coached before.
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He got rid of only 3 people from Sir Alex's staff, one of them the GK coach, hardly revolutionising the club.
posted on 9/1/14
He got rid of only 3 people from Sir Alex's staff, one of them the GK coach, hardly revolutionising the club.
..............
It is who he got rid of.
Rene, if I am not mistaken, has been replaced by Phil Neville. Phelan has been repalced by some utter clown that I had never heard of before.
posted on 9/1/14
Phelan has been repalced by some utter clown that I had never heard of before.
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Yes, Steve Round, an 'utter clown'. What manager comes in a new club and doesn't bring his assistant with him?
VC wins the prize for most stupid comment of the day.
posted on 9/1/14
I really dont get the purpose of Steve Round, All he does is sit in the dug out and sulk. judging by our style of play, Its not like he is doing wonders behind the scenes as well. Useless appointment imo
posted on 9/1/14
one of them the GK coach, hardly revolutionising the club.
**
If you did your homework you will know how vital Eric Steele was in keeping De Gae at the club after his baptism of fire in England, where he felt undervalued and homesick. Steele got him to get his head down and work to prove the doubtesrs wrong. In fact MUTV made an excellent documentary on the relationship between Steel and DG that made DG into the goaly he is today.
I can only think that with the sacking of Steel and bringing in Woods who I bet DG hasnt got a clue who he is, has made DG rethink his tenure in England. Especially if Barca come knocking soon. Which they will.
posted on 9/1/14
Screen
We were spoilt by Phelan.
posted on 9/1/14
atleast Phelan was shouting at players, whispering to SAF etc
posted on 9/1/14
It probably isn't Steve rounds job to implement a style of play or anything. Assistant managers sometimes are just there to provide a link between the players and the manager. Sort of a middle man kind of guy. Moyes should have done all he could to atleast keep one of Rene or Phelan.
posted on 9/1/14
Phelan knew what it meant to be a Manchester United player.
He might not have been everyones cup of tea, but he knew the ins and outs of how the club was ran.
The whole idea in hiring Moyes was for continuation from the way SAF ran things.
Why the hell would you not keep the main coaches who made that happen. IMO Moyes should have kept Phelan, and tried his utmost best to keep Rene to help him get through the first year of being our manager.
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