comment by Chamakh my pitch up (U6360)
posted 21 minutes ago
03/04 invincible season will always be looked at as a greater achievement in my opinion. Just place yourself 20 years from now and ask yourself if the invincible season or 2012/14 was the best achievement. 2013/14 will just go down as a win and nobody will consider that the opposition were better. You get me?
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I don't think so, if we won the league this season in history it would be looked back as the turning point "Arsenal are back" etc
What an incredible achievement it will be to win the title with an average striker like giroud as first-choice, I don't think we will win it
Giroud is ok but to win it with the likes of Giroud and bendtner while there is a Suarez, aguero, dzeko, negredo, rvp & rooney also playing in the league would truly be mental
Unlike in the old days, the cash factor has made the league totally unpredictable and much tougher. Spurs could be challenging for the title if they had used their Bale money wisely. Even Fulham's Americans can pour money into the club next summer and walk away with the title.
I think the lower sides have gotten worse at beating bigger sides.
What I think has happened is that Tottenham have spent money and are doing well (points wise in comparison to previous years they really are) and both Liverpool and Arsenal have returned to the fold as they're capitalising on a summer where a lot has changed. Added to that Everton have a bright young manager and have built from a solid platform that he inherited.
You've got Newcastle and Southampton in mid-table and safe.
Then you have ELEVEN sides who are nowhere near safe.
I'd argue the league has split into two: this new pack of seven at the top end who are dropping most of their points against each other. And you've got these eleven teams at the bottom whose only wins are coming against each other.
I don't think it would be his greatest, it would be a great achievement, but as good as Wenger's previous achievements? I'm not sure.
Well split into three if you count Newcastle and Southampton, but my point is that they're sort of excluded as not threatening either half of the table.
It's not about strikers it's about the whole team.. we have the best defence, 2nd best midfield and amazing team spirit as well.. and we happen to be above all the teams with better strikers
OP I think the Invincibles will always be the greatest achievement but if we were to win the league then it's true testament to Wenger's ability. This is the first season we have kept our best players and strengthened the squad since then. Staying in the top 4 has been an astonishing achievement by Wenger too. Arsene does know best, certainly more then we do and all the Giroud hating g0bshites on this board
Spurs are not actually doing that bad at all.
Their hammering by pool and city have exaggerated this so called crisis they were under
Plus Giroud would start for Chelsea too..
"It's not about strikers it's about the whole team.. we have the best defence, 2nd best midfield and amazing team spirit as well.. and we happen to be above all the teams with better strikers"
Yes team spirit is amazing. However, with Chelsea and City not letting up, it will probably come down to the games we play against them and those are the games where a killer striker makes the difference.
With the crazy feb fix and 2 games against the best in Europe, our strikers will have no choice but to stand up
Oh look, Diego Costa just missed the target!
Win the title this season and I can see the Hollywood machine grind into gear to make an epic Arsene Wenger biopic.
Probably even make it into a trilogy.
Starring Chiwetel Ejiofor as Arsene Wenger.
Rachel McAdams as Ivan Gazidis.
And, rather improbably, Eric Cantona as Olivier Giroud.
comment by Lexington eins zwei fünf Punkt zwei (U8879)
posted 4 minutes ago
Win the title this season and I can see the Hollywood machine grind into gear to make an epic Arsene Wenger biopic.
Probably even make it into a trilogy.
Starring Chiwetel Ejiofor as Arsene Wenger.
Rachel McAdams as Ivan Gazidis.
And, rather improbably, Eric Cantona as Olivier Giroud.
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Lex, was all that build up for the last line? Were you sublimely or rather explicitly comparing Giroud to Cantona?
In any case that bit of psychological melodrama deserves a
Chiwetel Ejiofor
Hopkins would make a great Chips Keswick.
It will be very close to his greatest achievement. In terms of squad cost, there is not much difference between 2004and if you win this, in which both would be a massive overachievement in themselves. Factoring the fact that you went unbeaten that season and this year, your main competitors have new managers, then I personally think that the invincibles year was better.
I think the fact that the squad would have been 100% assembled by him is something major, too. That shows true quality in a manager, IMO.
Would be absolutely hilarious if Arsenal start blitzing teams now all of a sudden, waltzing to the title.
Chelsea and especially City are riding their luck in a lot of their games. Only a matter of time before they start dropping points.
If Maureen and his merry men actually attempted a game of football when they came to the emirates and Man U stopped spending their transfer budgets on witch doctors to retain the curse then we'd be sitting 6 points clear.
It would be his greatest achievement considering the squad at his disposal in comparison to that of City and Chelsea.
I don't buy the argument that the competition is harder this year than the Invincibles. All of the major competitors have struggled with a change of manager at the start of the season and taken half the season to get going.
Its a great achievement to be top half way through the season and will be even better if we go on to win it, but I don't see it as being better than going 49 games unbeaten and then only losing the lead and having to chase the game because of one of the most blatant dives I can remember.
City, Chelsea and Everton have got better since they changed manager and even Tottenham since Sherwood came in, Man Utd are the only team struggling with a change of manager.
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posted on 14/1/14
comment by Chamakh my pitch up (U6360)
posted 21 minutes ago
03/04 invincible season will always be looked at as a greater achievement in my opinion. Just place yourself 20 years from now and ask yourself if the invincible season or 2012/14 was the best achievement. 2013/14 will just go down as a win and nobody will consider that the opposition were better. You get me?
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I don't think so, if we won the league this season in history it would be looked back as the turning point "Arsenal are back" etc
posted on 14/1/14
What an incredible achievement it will be to win the title with an average striker like giroud as first-choice, I don't think we will win it
posted on 14/1/14
Giroud is ok but to win it with the likes of Giroud and bendtner while there is a Suarez, aguero, dzeko, negredo, rvp & rooney also playing in the league would truly be mental
posted on 14/1/14
Unlike in the old days, the cash factor has made the league totally unpredictable and much tougher. Spurs could be challenging for the title if they had used their Bale money wisely. Even Fulham's Americans can pour money into the club next summer and walk away with the title.
posted on 14/1/14
I think the lower sides have gotten worse at beating bigger sides.
What I think has happened is that Tottenham have spent money and are doing well (points wise in comparison to previous years they really are) and both Liverpool and Arsenal have returned to the fold as they're capitalising on a summer where a lot has changed. Added to that Everton have a bright young manager and have built from a solid platform that he inherited.
You've got Newcastle and Southampton in mid-table and safe.
Then you have ELEVEN sides who are nowhere near safe.
I'd argue the league has split into two: this new pack of seven at the top end who are dropping most of their points against each other. And you've got these eleven teams at the bottom whose only wins are coming against each other.
I don't think it would be his greatest, it would be a great achievement, but as good as Wenger's previous achievements? I'm not sure.
posted on 14/1/14
Well split into three if you count Newcastle and Southampton, but my point is that they're sort of excluded as not threatening either half of the table.
posted on 14/1/14
It's not about strikers it's about the whole team.. we have the best defence, 2nd best midfield and amazing team spirit as well.. and we happen to be above all the teams with better strikers
posted on 14/1/14
OP I think the Invincibles will always be the greatest achievement but if we were to win the league then it's true testament to Wenger's ability. This is the first season we have kept our best players and strengthened the squad since then. Staying in the top 4 has been an astonishing achievement by Wenger too. Arsene does know best, certainly more then we do and all the Giroud hating g0bshites on this board
posted on 14/1/14
Spurs are not actually doing that bad at all.
Their hammering by pool and city have exaggerated this so called crisis they were under
posted on 14/1/14
Plus Giroud would start for Chelsea too..
posted on 14/1/14
"It's not about strikers it's about the whole team.. we have the best defence, 2nd best midfield and amazing team spirit as well.. and we happen to be above all the teams with better strikers"
Yes team spirit is amazing. However, with Chelsea and City not letting up, it will probably come down to the games we play against them and those are the games where a killer striker makes the difference.
posted on 14/1/14
With the crazy feb fix and 2 games against the best in Europe, our strikers will have no choice but to stand up
posted on 14/1/14
Oh look, Diego Costa just missed the target!
posted on 14/1/14
Win the title this season and I can see the Hollywood machine grind into gear to make an epic Arsene Wenger biopic.
Probably even make it into a trilogy.
Starring Chiwetel Ejiofor as Arsene Wenger.
Rachel McAdams as Ivan Gazidis.
And, rather improbably, Eric Cantona as Olivier Giroud.
posted on 14/1/14
comment by Lexington eins zwei fünf Punkt zwei (U8879)
posted 4 minutes ago
Win the title this season and I can see the Hollywood machine grind into gear to make an epic Arsene Wenger biopic.
Probably even make it into a trilogy.
Starring Chiwetel Ejiofor as Arsene Wenger.
Rachel McAdams as Ivan Gazidis.
And, rather improbably, Eric Cantona as Olivier Giroud.
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posted on 14/1/14
Lex, was all that build up for the last line? Were you sublimely or rather explicitly comparing Giroud to Cantona?
In any case that bit of psychological melodrama deserves a
posted on 14/1/14
Chiwetel Ejiofor
Hopkins would make a great Chips Keswick.
posted on 14/1/14
It will be very close to his greatest achievement. In terms of squad cost, there is not much difference between 2004and if you win this, in which both would be a massive overachievement in themselves. Factoring the fact that you went unbeaten that season and this year, your main competitors have new managers, then I personally think that the invincibles year was better.
posted on 14/1/14
I think the fact that the squad would have been 100% assembled by him is something major, too. That shows true quality in a manager, IMO.
posted on 14/1/14
Would be absolutely hilarious if Arsenal start blitzing teams now all of a sudden, waltzing to the title.
Chelsea and especially City are riding their luck in a lot of their games. Only a matter of time before they start dropping points.
posted on 14/1/14
If Maureen and his merry men actually attempted a game of football when they came to the emirates and Man U stopped spending their transfer budgets on witch doctors to retain the curse then we'd be sitting 6 points clear.
posted on 14/1/14
It would be his greatest achievement considering the squad at his disposal in comparison to that of City and Chelsea.
posted on 14/1/14
I don't buy the argument that the competition is harder this year than the Invincibles. All of the major competitors have struggled with a change of manager at the start of the season and taken half the season to get going.
Its a great achievement to be top half way through the season and will be even better if we go on to win it, but I don't see it as being better than going 49 games unbeaten and then only losing the lead and having to chase the game because of one of the most blatant dives I can remember.
posted on 14/1/14
City, Chelsea and Everton have got better since they changed manager and even Tottenham since Sherwood came in, Man Utd are the only team struggling with a change of manager.
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