comment by Giröulski Alt-153 forever (U14971)
posted 6 minutes ago
honestliverpool, I saw a bit of him in the youth teams for you back when I had enough time to watch youth football regularly. I preferred the way Suso did things. It's hard to put my finger on it but he certainly had that special touch that Sterling didn't. Similar to Pogba who devastated Arsenal from the right wing a few years back.
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I also thought Suso was the more talented player in the youth team, but Sterling has coped with transition into the PL. Some players look like world beaters at youth level yet couldn't make it in the premier league. Sterling has outperformed the likes of Coutinho at Liverpool this season and has been very good since Sturridge got injured. He was our MOTM vs Chelsea and is yet to have a bad game this season. He's also keeping Moses out of the team and many would actually like to see him start ahead of Coutinho to accommodate Sturridge.
comment by mancinicity (U7179)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by ||The Great AFL©||™ (U11952)
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You are describing Arsenal business model and comparing it with our model. Are we obliged to follow your model?
Regardless, you have just stated that you BOUGHT young players while we bought older players. Common theme is we both "bought". Now, how can you defend your buying model and criticise another?
That's what I am trying to get my head around
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this is a wind up isn't it?
Common theme is we both "bought". Now, how can you defend your buying model and criticise another?
That's what I am trying to get my head around.
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To be fair, all players are "Bought" from somewhere.
Its not like PL teams have Pregnant mothers just waiting at the training ground so they can claim they are 100% home grown.
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 8 seconds ago
Also from the top of my head all the followign are Arsenal Youth Products.
Szezney, Gibbs, Jenkinson, Wilshere, Ramsey, Bendtner (lol), Walcott, Oxlade.
Not bad if i say so myself.
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Boss, your list is way off mark.
Only 2 players on that list came through your academy. The rest, you bought with MONEY.
The Great AFL©||™
I think you are facing a losing battle here. It is difficult to debate or get your point across to someone who has no concept of the argument they are entering into…
mancinicity has all the charm, charisma and debating ability of a toenail.
Idiot. The term 'buying the league' refers to the fact that players only sign for you because of money. Theres no prestige or reputations involved.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 12 seconds ago
The Great AFL©||™
I think you are facing a losing battle here. It is difficult to debate or get your point across to someone who has no concept of the argument they are entering into…
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And your concept is?..........that I accept your point of view?
I am of the opinion that we all are, I'm afraid to say. I'm not sure what this poster is playing at in all honesty.
Oh dear, the OP has had a 'mare here.
Common theme is we both "bought". Now, how can you defend your buying model and criticise another?
That's what I am trying to get my head around.
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As you've been told numerous times, most clubs buy players with money they have generated through years of hard work, and financial restraints, and only buy players they can afford without putting their club into administration. Your team haven't had to do that. If you was making loads of money each year as a club and spent some of that money you generated on players, no-one would say anything, but you've won the lottery and are now in the mix due to that.
Mancinicity
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Just to go back to your original question. Could you tell me what you consider to be a youth product? Are Academy appearances a pre-requisite for example? Just curious as to how you would dfine a youth product.
comment by Giröulski Alt-153 forever (U14971)
posted 6 minutes ago
honestliverpool, I saw a bit of him in the youth teams for you back when I had enough time to watch youth football regularly. I preferred the way Suso did things. It's hard to put my finger on it but he certainly had that special touch that Sterling didn't. Similar to Pogba who devastated Arsenal from the right wing a few years back.
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I also thought Suso was the more talented player in the youth team, but Sterling has coped with transition into the PL. Some players look like world beaters at youth level yet couldn't make it in the premier league. Sterling has outperformed the likes of Coutinho at Liverpool this season and has been very good since Sturridge got injured. He was our MOTM vs Chelsea and is yet to have a bad game this season. He's also keeping Moses out of the team and many would actually like to see him start ahead of Coutinho to accommodate Sturridge.
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Can't argue with that I suppose. I can't confess to having seen all too much of Sterling this season. Don't write off Suso though, he's doing exceptionally well in Spain. I mean his dribbling is extraordinary. I still believe he'll be seen as the greater player eventually.
So OP you're saying you didn't buy Boyata from Brussels? (I don't actually know if you did but know he came from there). Also, yes every club spends but not every club is bankrolled by the richest people on the planet and able to offer obscene amounts of money to purchase the player and also keep them happy. Have some perspective please OP and stop being a tool
comment by Rusky (U15847)
posted 4 seconds ago
Idiot. The term 'buying the league' refers to the fact that players only sign for you because of money. Theres no prestige or reputations involved.
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Is this the official definition or you just made this up?
Cos no one ever mentioned this so far.
And try to avoid throwing insults around. Its a mark of childishness.
mancinicity
Just a bit of common sense and an understanding of the subject I care to discuss. That is all.
Wow, controversial article. I'm sure you are being sincere OP? You must realise that your club has no class right?
comment by Giröulski Alt-153 forever (U14971)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Giröulski Alt-153 forever (U14971)
posted 6 minutes ago
honestliverpool, I saw a bit of him in the youth teams for you back when I had enough time to watch youth football regularly. I preferred the way Suso did things. It's hard to put my finger on it but he certainly had that special touch that Sterling didn't. Similar to Pogba who devastated Arsenal from the right wing a few years back.
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I also thought Suso was the more talented player in the youth team, but Sterling has coped with transition into the PL. Some players look like world beaters at youth level yet couldn't make it in the premier league. Sterling has outperformed the likes of Coutinho at Liverpool this season and has been very good since Sturridge got injured. He was our MOTM vs Chelsea and is yet to have a bad game this season. He's also keeping Moses out of the team and many would actually like to see him start ahead of Coutinho to accommodate Sturridge.
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Can't argue with that I suppose. I can't confess to having seen all too much of Sterling this season. Don't write off Suso though, he's doing exceptionally well in Spain. I mean his dribbling is extraordinary. I still believe he'll be seen as the greater player eventually.
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I also think he'll eventually turn into a very good player, but I think Sterling is outperforming him atm.
I'm just surprised that Henry Norris hasn't been brought up yet,that seems to be the go-to argument for City and Chelsea fans that I have debated with, on this particular issue.
"And try to avoid throwing insults around. Its a mark of childishness."
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I'd say authoring an article like this is even more so.
Even a lot of Barca players were bought from another club, the OP is just making up his own rules to try and prove that Man city didn't bankroll their way to the title
comment by MrTweedy ft. Özil 11 is a Gööner (U5058)
posted 46 minutes ago
City fans are fast becoming the idiots of ja606.
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Becoming? They rival spur in their betrayal of common sense.
comment by BIGIRISHGOONER (U8171)
posted 2 minutes ago
Mancinicity
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Just to go back to your original question. Could you tell me what you consider to be a youth product? Are Academy appearances a pre-requisite for example? Just curious as to how you would dfine a youth product.
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I would say yes to your example. Hence I excluded Joe Hart from our youth product later on.
But it seems my point is fallen on deaf ears so far. Only City and Chelsea buy the League. Even though most 1st team players for other clubs were bought too.
These 2 l'pool fans talking about their players in the middle of this big debate is making me laugh.
It's cool if Man City are trying to be the Real Madrid of England, you pay offensive amounts of money for players that's fine. Just don't talk nonsense about not buying the league.That's just moronic.
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posted on 15/1/14
comment by Giröulski Alt-153 forever (U14971)
posted 6 minutes ago
honestliverpool, I saw a bit of him in the youth teams for you back when I had enough time to watch youth football regularly. I preferred the way Suso did things. It's hard to put my finger on it but he certainly had that special touch that Sterling didn't. Similar to Pogba who devastated Arsenal from the right wing a few years back.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I also thought Suso was the more talented player in the youth team, but Sterling has coped with transition into the PL. Some players look like world beaters at youth level yet couldn't make it in the premier league. Sterling has outperformed the likes of Coutinho at Liverpool this season and has been very good since Sturridge got injured. He was our MOTM vs Chelsea and is yet to have a bad game this season. He's also keeping Moses out of the team and many would actually like to see him start ahead of Coutinho to accommodate Sturridge.
posted on 15/1/14
comment by mancinicity (U7179)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by ||The Great AFL©||™ (U11952)
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You are describing Arsenal business model and comparing it with our model. Are we obliged to follow your model?
Regardless, you have just stated that you BOUGHT young players while we bought older players. Common theme is we both "bought". Now, how can you defend your buying model and criticise another?
That's what I am trying to get my head around
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this is a wind up isn't it?
posted on 15/1/14
Common theme is we both "bought". Now, how can you defend your buying model and criticise another?
That's what I am trying to get my head around.
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To be fair, all players are "Bought" from somewhere.
Its not like PL teams have Pregnant mothers just waiting at the training ground so they can claim they are 100% home grown.
posted on 15/1/14
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 8 seconds ago
Also from the top of my head all the followign are Arsenal Youth Products.
Szezney, Gibbs, Jenkinson, Wilshere, Ramsey, Bendtner (lol), Walcott, Oxlade.
Not bad if i say so myself.
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Boss, your list is way off mark.
Only 2 players on that list came through your academy. The rest, you bought with MONEY.
posted on 15/1/14
The Great AFL©||™
I think you are facing a losing battle here. It is difficult to debate or get your point across to someone who has no concept of the argument they are entering into…
posted on 15/1/14
mancinicity has all the charm, charisma and debating ability of a toenail.
posted on 15/1/14
Idiot. The term 'buying the league' refers to the fact that players only sign for you because of money. Theres no prestige or reputations involved.
posted on 15/1/14
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 12 seconds ago
The Great AFL©||™
I think you are facing a losing battle here. It is difficult to debate or get your point across to someone who has no concept of the argument they are entering into…
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And your concept is?..........that I accept your point of view?
posted on 15/1/14
I am of the opinion that we all are, I'm afraid to say. I'm not sure what this poster is playing at in all honesty.
posted on 15/1/14
Oh dear, the OP has had a 'mare here.
posted on 15/1/14
Common theme is we both "bought". Now, how can you defend your buying model and criticise another?
That's what I am trying to get my head around.
--------------------------------------------------
As you've been told numerous times, most clubs buy players with money they have generated through years of hard work, and financial restraints, and only buy players they can afford without putting their club into administration. Your team haven't had to do that. If you was making loads of money each year as a club and spent some of that money you generated on players, no-one would say anything, but you've won the lottery and are now in the mix due to that.
posted on 15/1/14
Mancinicity
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Just to go back to your original question. Could you tell me what you consider to be a youth product? Are Academy appearances a pre-requisite for example? Just curious as to how you would dfine a youth product.
posted on 15/1/14
comment by Giröulski Alt-153 forever (U14971)
posted 6 minutes ago
honestliverpool, I saw a bit of him in the youth teams for you back when I had enough time to watch youth football regularly. I preferred the way Suso did things. It's hard to put my finger on it but he certainly had that special touch that Sterling didn't. Similar to Pogba who devastated Arsenal from the right wing a few years back.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I also thought Suso was the more talented player in the youth team, but Sterling has coped with transition into the PL. Some players look like world beaters at youth level yet couldn't make it in the premier league. Sterling has outperformed the likes of Coutinho at Liverpool this season and has been very good since Sturridge got injured. He was our MOTM vs Chelsea and is yet to have a bad game this season. He's also keeping Moses out of the team and many would actually like to see him start ahead of Coutinho to accommodate Sturridge.
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Can't argue with that I suppose. I can't confess to having seen all too much of Sterling this season. Don't write off Suso though, he's doing exceptionally well in Spain. I mean his dribbling is extraordinary. I still believe he'll be seen as the greater player eventually.
posted on 15/1/14
So OP you're saying you didn't buy Boyata from Brussels? (I don't actually know if you did but know he came from there). Also, yes every club spends but not every club is bankrolled by the richest people on the planet and able to offer obscene amounts of money to purchase the player and also keep them happy. Have some perspective please OP and stop being a tool
posted on 15/1/14
comment by Rusky (U15847)
posted 4 seconds ago
Idiot. The term 'buying the league' refers to the fact that players only sign for you because of money. Theres no prestige or reputations involved.
-----------------------------------------------------------
Is this the official definition or you just made this up?
Cos no one ever mentioned this so far.
And try to avoid throwing insults around. Its a mark of childishness.
posted on 15/1/14
mancinicity
Just a bit of common sense and an understanding of the subject I care to discuss. That is all.
posted on 15/1/14
Wow, controversial article. I'm sure you are being sincere OP? You must realise that your club has no class right?
posted on 15/1/14
comment by Giröulski Alt-153 forever (U14971)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Giröulski Alt-153 forever (U14971)
posted 6 minutes ago
honestliverpool, I saw a bit of him in the youth teams for you back when I had enough time to watch youth football regularly. I preferred the way Suso did things. It's hard to put my finger on it but he certainly had that special touch that Sterling didn't. Similar to Pogba who devastated Arsenal from the right wing a few years back.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I also thought Suso was the more talented player in the youth team, but Sterling has coped with transition into the PL. Some players look like world beaters at youth level yet couldn't make it in the premier league. Sterling has outperformed the likes of Coutinho at Liverpool this season and has been very good since Sturridge got injured. He was our MOTM vs Chelsea and is yet to have a bad game this season. He's also keeping Moses out of the team and many would actually like to see him start ahead of Coutinho to accommodate Sturridge.
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Can't argue with that I suppose. I can't confess to having seen all too much of Sterling this season. Don't write off Suso though, he's doing exceptionally well in Spain. I mean his dribbling is extraordinary. I still believe he'll be seen as the greater player eventually.
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I also think he'll eventually turn into a very good player, but I think Sterling is outperforming him atm.
posted on 15/1/14
I'm just surprised that Henry Norris hasn't been brought up yet,that seems to be the go-to argument for City and Chelsea fans that I have debated with, on this particular issue.
posted on 15/1/14
"And try to avoid throwing insults around. Its a mark of childishness."
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I'd say authoring an article like this is even more so.
posted on 15/1/14
Even a lot of Barca players were bought from another club, the OP is just making up his own rules to try and prove that Man city didn't bankroll their way to the title
posted on 15/1/14
comment by MrTweedy ft. Özil 11 is a Gööner (U5058)
posted 46 minutes ago
City fans are fast becoming the idiots of ja606.
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Becoming? They rival spur in their betrayal of common sense.
posted on 15/1/14
comment by BIGIRISHGOONER (U8171)
posted 2 minutes ago
Mancinicity
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Just to go back to your original question. Could you tell me what you consider to be a youth product? Are Academy appearances a pre-requisite for example? Just curious as to how you would dfine a youth product.
---------------------------------------------
I would say yes to your example. Hence I excluded Joe Hart from our youth product later on.
But it seems my point is fallen on deaf ears so far. Only City and Chelsea buy the League. Even though most 1st team players for other clubs were bought too.
posted on 15/1/14
These 2 l'pool fans talking about their players in the middle of this big debate is making me laugh.
posted on 15/1/14
It's cool if Man City are trying to be the Real Madrid of England, you pay offensive amounts of money for players that's fine. Just don't talk nonsense about not buying the league.That's just moronic.
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