comment by wyclef (U18478)
posted 1 minute ago
who is the sky 4??
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Birds and aircraft
Surely the youth argument is a poor one for a fan of any top flight English club to hang their hat on, with the exception of Southampton.
All of your clubs are very much buying clubs, you dont have anyone that looks first an foremost to develop your academy player into first team regulars. None have a proper long term youth plan and none are showing any signs of changing that.
In fact most of your clubs consider buying the best 16 - 20 year olds you get your hads on, sucessful youth development.
City have one who barely plays
Man U have one, he is 40!
Chelsea have one he is 33-35.
Arsenal have two
Liverpool have three, two i never see in the starting line up and the other is in his 30's
Spurs have none that i can think of
So out of 125 player in the first team squads of your five top teams, you have a grand total of about 8.
Barca have 16, Real have 8, Athletico have 5, Bilbao and Sociedad have about 35 at least between them.
comment by Trojan21 (U13278)
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Thanks Trojan. That is exactly the point I have been trying to make all day. But it seems only one type of purchase is bad. All others are good.
Exactly, Trojan - the whole thing is bollards. Most professional clubs acquire players from other clubs through financial means. Who cares?
Trojan names all La Liga squad players and none of the PL squad players. Real have 8 youth players? How many of them play?
comment by mancinicity (U7179)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Trojan21 (U13278)
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Thanks Trojan. That is exactly the point I have been trying to make all day. But it seems only one type of purchase is bad. All others are good.
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Your point has changed more times than the underpants of someone on a laxative only diet
Sometimes that's the only way to come out of your own thread with some dignity, dot. This is definitely one of those occasions.
Trojan, what do you class as a youth product?
But there are rules about how far away from a club a child may live in order to train for that club. so... can you realistically expect 11 title-winning players to live within that distance of Arsenal?
No. Plus when you sign a player at 16/17 there's still plenty left to do to make them top quality. add that to the pressure of needing to win stuff, which Southampton don't really have, then you can see why the players that come through have to be the very best.
mancinicity
With the intention to highlighting to you how expenditure works I have produced the below ‘Layman’s guide’
SPENDING--------------------------------------------------OUTCOME
Your own money-------------------------------------------Good
Someone else’s money------------------------------------Bad
If Arsenal sign a 15 or 16 year old and, if we are lucky enough to break into the first team squad three or four years later, if he hasn't been developing his skill-set in our academy, then where exactly the f/ck has he been during those intervening years?
Fleecing own supporters to artificially inflate income ....good?
Every club buys players.
If City or Chelsea is accused of buying the league, then so is Arsenal and others.
*for him to break into...
Presumably Man City have a maternity ward within their academy...
If City or Chelsea is accused of buying the league, then so is Arsenal and others.
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From you're definition of "buying the league" not the common one
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
mancinicity
With the intention to highlighting to you how expenditure works I have produced the below ‘Layman’s guide’
SPENDING--------------------------------------------------OUTCOME
Your own money-------------------------------------------Good
Someone else’s money------------------------------------Bad
---------------------------------------------------------------
Oh the days when we had Stuart Pearce as manager. Those days when if you see a goal scored at home, know it is Christmas.
Well, City is not in debt. So our owner must be spending his own money.
Arsenal is in debt so they must be spending someone else's money.
Well, City is not in debt. So our owner must be spending his own money.
Arsenal is in debt so they must be spending someone else's money.
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Ahh forget it, do you understand the concept of spending within your means ?
"City is not in debt. So our owner must be spending his own money."
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Nail on the head... finally
mancinicity
Will leave it there for this thread, as much I enjoy a debate it is difficult to discuss a topic with someone who (with all respect) hasn’t the slightest concept of the subject they wish to debate.
Suggest you read ‘Richer than God’ (book written by David Conn – happens to be a City fan).
May help you understand a bit better.
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 2 minutes ago
Well, City is not in debt. So our owner must be spending his own money.
Arsenal is in debt so they must be spending someone else's money.
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Ahh forget it, do you understand the concept of spending within your means ?
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If you spend above you means, you end up in debt. But if you are cash rich, and you spend within your income, you stay debt free.
"But if you are cash rich, and you spend within your income..."
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Do you really believe City are currently spending within the club's income?
Seriously?
comment by mancinicity (U7179)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 2 minutes ago
Well, City is not in debt. So our owner must be spending his own money.
Arsenal is in debt so they must be spending someone else's money.
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Ahh forget it, do you understand the concept of spending within your means ?
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If you spend above you means, you end up in debt. But if you are cash rich, and you spend within your income, you stay debt free.
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If your owner just upped and left......how much cash would you have?
I fail to understand what's wrong with someone buying a business,investing his own capital to make his new business more marketable and long term more profitable.
What exactly is the issue with that?
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posted on 15/1/14
who is the sky 4??
posted on 15/1/14
comment by wyclef (U18478)
posted 1 minute ago
who is the sky 4??
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Birds and aircraft
posted on 15/1/14
Surely the youth argument is a poor one for a fan of any top flight English club to hang their hat on, with the exception of Southampton.
All of your clubs are very much buying clubs, you dont have anyone that looks first an foremost to develop your academy player into first team regulars. None have a proper long term youth plan and none are showing any signs of changing that.
In fact most of your clubs consider buying the best 16 - 20 year olds you get your hads on, sucessful youth development.
City have one who barely plays
Man U have one, he is 40!
Chelsea have one he is 33-35.
Arsenal have two
Liverpool have three, two i never see in the starting line up and the other is in his 30's
Spurs have none that i can think of
So out of 125 player in the first team squads of your five top teams, you have a grand total of about 8.
Barca have 16, Real have 8, Athletico have 5, Bilbao and Sociedad have about 35 at least between them.
posted on 15/1/14
comment by Trojan21 (U13278)
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Thanks Trojan. That is exactly the point I have been trying to make all day. But it seems only one type of purchase is bad. All others are good.
posted on 15/1/14
Exactly, Trojan - the whole thing is bollards. Most professional clubs acquire players from other clubs through financial means. Who cares?
posted on 15/1/14
Trojan names all La Liga squad players and none of the PL squad players. Real have 8 youth players? How many of them play?
posted on 15/1/14
comment by mancinicity (U7179)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Trojan21 (U13278)
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Thanks Trojan. That is exactly the point I have been trying to make all day. But it seems only one type of purchase is bad. All others are good.
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Your point has changed more times than the underpants of someone on a laxative only diet
posted on 15/1/14
Sometimes that's the only way to come out of your own thread with some dignity, dot. This is definitely one of those occasions.
posted on 15/1/14
Trojan, what do you class as a youth product?
posted on 15/1/14
But there are rules about how far away from a club a child may live in order to train for that club. so... can you realistically expect 11 title-winning players to live within that distance of Arsenal?
No. Plus when you sign a player at 16/17 there's still plenty left to do to make them top quality. add that to the pressure of needing to win stuff, which Southampton don't really have, then you can see why the players that come through have to be the very best.
posted on 15/1/14
mancinicity
With the intention to highlighting to you how expenditure works I have produced the below ‘Layman’s guide’
SPENDING--------------------------------------------------OUTCOME
Your own money-------------------------------------------Good
Someone else’s money------------------------------------Bad
posted on 15/1/14
If Arsenal sign a 15 or 16 year old and, if we are lucky enough to break into the first team squad three or four years later, if he hasn't been developing his skill-set in our academy, then where exactly the f/ck has he been during those intervening years?
posted on 15/1/14
Fleecing own supporters to artificially inflate income ....good?
posted on 15/1/14
Every club buys players.
If City or Chelsea is accused of buying the league, then so is Arsenal and others.
posted on 15/1/14
*for him to break into...
posted on 15/1/14
Presumably Man City have a maternity ward within their academy...
posted on 15/1/14
If City or Chelsea is accused of buying the league, then so is Arsenal and others.
-------
From you're definition of "buying the league" not the common one
posted on 15/1/14
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
mancinicity
With the intention to highlighting to you how expenditure works I have produced the below ‘Layman’s guide’
SPENDING--------------------------------------------------OUTCOME
Your own money-------------------------------------------Good
Someone else’s money------------------------------------Bad
---------------------------------------------------------------
Oh the days when we had Stuart Pearce as manager. Those days when if you see a goal scored at home, know it is Christmas.
Well, City is not in debt. So our owner must be spending his own money.
Arsenal is in debt so they must be spending someone else's money.
posted on 15/1/14
Well, City is not in debt. So our owner must be spending his own money.
Arsenal is in debt so they must be spending someone else's money.
-------------------------------------------------
Ahh forget it, do you understand the concept of spending within your means ?
posted on 15/1/14
"City is not in debt. So our owner must be spending his own money."
-----
Nail on the head... finally
posted on 15/1/14
mancinicity
Will leave it there for this thread, as much I enjoy a debate it is difficult to discuss a topic with someone who (with all respect) hasn’t the slightest concept of the subject they wish to debate.
Suggest you read ‘Richer than God’ (book written by David Conn – happens to be a City fan).
May help you understand a bit better.
posted on 15/1/14
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 2 minutes ago
Well, City is not in debt. So our owner must be spending his own money.
Arsenal is in debt so they must be spending someone else's money.
-------------------------------------------------
Ahh forget it, do you understand the concept of spending within your means ?
-------------------------------------------------------
If you spend above you means, you end up in debt. But if you are cash rich, and you spend within your income, you stay debt free.
posted on 15/1/14
"But if you are cash rich, and you spend within your income..."
-----
Do you really believe City are currently spending within the club's income?
Seriously?
posted on 15/1/14
comment by mancinicity (U7179)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 2 minutes ago
Well, City is not in debt. So our owner must be spending his own money.
Arsenal is in debt so they must be spending someone else's money.
-------------------------------------------------
Ahh forget it, do you understand the concept of spending within your means ?
-------------------------------------------------------
If you spend above you means, you end up in debt. But if you are cash rich, and you spend within your income, you stay debt free.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If your owner just upped and left......how much cash would you have?
posted on 15/1/14
I fail to understand what's wrong with someone buying a business,investing his own capital to make his new business more marketable and long term more profitable.
What exactly is the issue with that?
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