Januzaj and Draxler can both play either side. Draxler would be a massive improvement to our side and would take the pressure off of adnan
VC - Every big city in Germany more or less has a sizeable number of Turks. Stuttgart has many too and Croatians,Serbs and Southern Italians who moved there
after the second world war.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 19 seconds ago
In fact I think Germany now has the highest percentage of non-nationals making up their population of any country in Europe.
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Germany has really changed since I was last there then. Berlin had a large Turkish population, and Dusseldorf had a fair few. Hannover had a bit of an Italian crowd.
But I never saw anything that could compare it to the likes of Brixton, Birminghanm, Bristol, Wolverhampton, Leicester, Bradford, Manchester etc.
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A minority of year people don't cknsoder themselves English though, certainly not in Birmingham or Wolverhampton.
============== DDG
====== RAFAEL JONES VIDIC COENTRAO
====== CARRICK GUNDOGAN
======== ROONEY
======== JANUZAJ RVP DRAXLER
they broke the news that cristiano would win on monday morning for example.
lol what a bold claim..
Germany has also taken in something like 3.5 million people from the former Soviet Union. Most of them based on having either German or Jewish ethnicity (or obtaining documents stating they did!).
Majority of these people don't consider*
My best mate came here many moons ago with his family from India. He likes to be known as English in most ways but for instance when travelling will sometimes say he is Indian when asked. He supports England football and cricket. His brothers support India. Personally I think it's great that he feels a part of both cultures
comment by Football_bloodyhell (U17867)
posted 37 seconds ago
My best mate came here many moons ago with his family from India. He likes to be known as English in most ways but for instance when travelling will sometimes say he is Indian when asked. He supports England football and cricket. His brothers support India. Personally I think it's great that he feels a part of both cultures
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It is
BB
Are you actually saying that a majority of British Muslims or Asians don't consider themselves British? (First time you said minority, second time majority.)
I'd be careful about sweeping statements and I'd check the methodology of any survey that makes that claim.
When I left in 92 Dusseldorf was taking in a lot of refugees from the Yugoslavia countries. Not sure how that worked out.
Why do Germany have many Turks linked to them by the way? Forgive me for my ignorance.
RR - Yes that's a controversial subject in Israel re. the Soviet diaspora. Many claimed to have Jewish ethnicity to get into Israel and I think something like 1 million in recent times have moved there. Everywhere there is prejudice and been told there they are near the bottom of the popularity stakes (after the N.African Jews)
VC - Yes like I said many Croats and Serbs in some of the Cities. Stuttgart has quite big populations. I was there 2001-2004
comment by RVP's Left Foot - Los Pollos Hermanos (U11781)
posted 42 seconds ago
Why do Germany have many Turks linked to them by the way? Forgive me for my ignorance.
.................
This is a guess, but I would think it would be linked to WW1 and WW2. I think the Turkish were allied with the Germans.
The thing is real literally have no use for him. Ilamendri, alonso, khedira etc
If they had sense they'd go for a centre back.
That said I wouldn't fancy our chances if they went in for him.
We are in desperate need of quality. He'd be a guaranteed starter.
VC - no, it's to do with an agreement in the 60s whereby many Turks were allowed to move and work in Germany due to the economic boom and labour shortages.
Many settled and were given citizenship etc
Arab, Turks were encouraged to come to Germany as 'Guest Workers' (along with large numbers of Italians, Spanish and other southern Europeans) when the German manufacturing sector was growing by they didn't have enough people to work in it. Basically the same pattern as the UK inviting people from the Indian sub-continent and Caribbean in the 50s and 60s.
For a long time the Guest Workers lived in Germany, had children, etc., but still didn't have citizenship rights. I believe that finally changed a few years back but it did set a pattern of minority groups being pretty much settled in the country but not really feeling as though they belonged, being considered as 'foreigners' by the mainstream and therefore not having a great deal of incentive or encouragement to integrate.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
BB
Are you actually saying that a majority of British Muslims or Asians don't consider themselves British? (First time you said minority, second time majority.)
I'd be careful about sweeping statements and I'd check the methodology of any survey that makes that claim.
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Yeah your right not the majority. In my experience though it would be the majority.
A lot of people I know still consider themselves Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi or Jamaican.
Nothing wrong with being proud of your heritage, there are a lot of people who were born in England yet don't consider themselves English in these parts.
1961, the Bundesrepublik and officials at the Turkish Republic negotiated a trade of labour. Turkish workers were invited to move to Germany to fill in this void, particularly to work in the factories to do simple repetitive tasks. Turkish citizens soon became the largest group of Gastarbeiter—literally, guest workers—in West Germany, labouring alongside Italians, Yugoslavs, Spaniards, Greeks and other immigrants. The perception at the time on the part of both the West German Government and the Turkish Republic representatives was that working 60–80 hours a week in Germany would "only" be temporary."
Rvp there's an entire Turks in Germany wiki page if you want more information
Makes sense.
I was only gussing. Their loyalty to the German cause may have held some influence.
Apparantly when we visit the Emirates Arsenal fans are going to wear Fergie masks and chant his name to freak out Moyes.
comment by Wayne and Robin... (U17937)
posted 25 seconds ago
Apparantly when we visit the Emirates Arsenal fans are going to wear Fergie masks and chant his name to freak out Moyes.
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Random. It would be funny.
Turkish people or Germans born with at least 1 Turkish parent make up 5% of Germany's population which is why a fair few German players are coming through Turkish roots.
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posted on 15/1/14
Januzaj and Draxler can both play either side. Draxler would be a massive improvement to our side and would take the pressure off of adnan
posted on 15/1/14
VC - Every big city in Germany more or less has a sizeable number of Turks. Stuttgart has many too and Croatians,Serbs and Southern Italians who moved there
after the second world war.
posted on 15/1/14
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 19 seconds ago
In fact I think Germany now has the highest percentage of non-nationals making up their population of any country in Europe.
.................
Germany has really changed since I was last there then. Berlin had a large Turkish population, and Dusseldorf had a fair few. Hannover had a bit of an Italian crowd.
But I never saw anything that could compare it to the likes of Brixton, Birminghanm, Bristol, Wolverhampton, Leicester, Bradford, Manchester etc.
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A minority of year people don't cknsoder themselves English though, certainly not in Birmingham or Wolverhampton.
posted on 15/1/14
============== DDG
====== RAFAEL JONES VIDIC COENTRAO
====== CARRICK GUNDOGAN
======== ROONEY
======== JANUZAJ RVP DRAXLER
posted on 15/1/14
they broke the news that cristiano would win on monday morning for example.
lol what a bold claim..
posted on 15/1/14
Germany has also taken in something like 3.5 million people from the former Soviet Union. Most of them based on having either German or Jewish ethnicity (or obtaining documents stating they did!).
posted on 15/1/14
Majority of these people don't consider*
posted on 15/1/14
My best mate came here many moons ago with his family from India. He likes to be known as English in most ways but for instance when travelling will sometimes say he is Indian when asked. He supports England football and cricket. His brothers support India. Personally I think it's great that he feels a part of both cultures
posted on 15/1/14
comment by Football_bloodyhell (U17867)
posted 37 seconds ago
My best mate came here many moons ago with his family from India. He likes to be known as English in most ways but for instance when travelling will sometimes say he is Indian when asked. He supports England football and cricket. His brothers support India. Personally I think it's great that he feels a part of both cultures
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It is
posted on 15/1/14
BB
Are you actually saying that a majority of British Muslims or Asians don't consider themselves British? (First time you said minority, second time majority.)
I'd be careful about sweeping statements and I'd check the methodology of any survey that makes that claim.
posted on 15/1/14
When I left in 92 Dusseldorf was taking in a lot of refugees from the Yugoslavia countries. Not sure how that worked out.
posted on 15/1/14
Why do Germany have many Turks linked to them by the way? Forgive me for my ignorance.
posted on 15/1/14
RR - Yes that's a controversial subject in Israel re. the Soviet diaspora. Many claimed to have Jewish ethnicity to get into Israel and I think something like 1 million in recent times have moved there. Everywhere there is prejudice and been told there they are near the bottom of the popularity stakes (after the N.African Jews)
posted on 15/1/14
VC - Yes like I said many Croats and Serbs in some of the Cities. Stuttgart has quite big populations. I was there 2001-2004
posted on 15/1/14
comment by RVP's Left Foot - Los Pollos Hermanos (U11781)
posted 42 seconds ago
Why do Germany have many Turks linked to them by the way? Forgive me for my ignorance.
.................
This is a guess, but I would think it would be linked to WW1 and WW2. I think the Turkish were allied with the Germans.
posted on 15/1/14
The thing is real literally have no use for him. Ilamendri, alonso, khedira etc
If they had sense they'd go for a centre back.
That said I wouldn't fancy our chances if they went in for him.
We are in desperate need of quality. He'd be a guaranteed starter.
posted on 15/1/14
VC - no, it's to do with an agreement in the 60s whereby many Turks were allowed to move and work in Germany due to the economic boom and labour shortages.
Many settled and were given citizenship etc
posted on 15/1/14
Arab, Turks were encouraged to come to Germany as 'Guest Workers' (along with large numbers of Italians, Spanish and other southern Europeans) when the German manufacturing sector was growing by they didn't have enough people to work in it. Basically the same pattern as the UK inviting people from the Indian sub-continent and Caribbean in the 50s and 60s.
For a long time the Guest Workers lived in Germany, had children, etc., but still didn't have citizenship rights. I believe that finally changed a few years back but it did set a pattern of minority groups being pretty much settled in the country but not really feeling as though they belonged, being considered as 'foreigners' by the mainstream and therefore not having a great deal of incentive or encouragement to integrate.
posted on 15/1/14
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
BB
Are you actually saying that a majority of British Muslims or Asians don't consider themselves British? (First time you said minority, second time majority.)
I'd be careful about sweeping statements and I'd check the methodology of any survey that makes that claim.
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Yeah your right not the majority. In my experience though it would be the majority.
A lot of people I know still consider themselves Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi or Jamaican.
Nothing wrong with being proud of your heritage, there are a lot of people who were born in England yet don't consider themselves English in these parts.
posted on 15/1/14
1961, the Bundesrepublik and officials at the Turkish Republic negotiated a trade of labour. Turkish workers were invited to move to Germany to fill in this void, particularly to work in the factories to do simple repetitive tasks. Turkish citizens soon became the largest group of Gastarbeiter—literally, guest workers—in West Germany, labouring alongside Italians, Yugoslavs, Spaniards, Greeks and other immigrants. The perception at the time on the part of both the West German Government and the Turkish Republic representatives was that working 60–80 hours a week in Germany would "only" be temporary."
Rvp there's an entire Turks in Germany wiki page if you want more information
posted on 15/1/14
Makes sense.
I was only gussing. Their loyalty to the German cause may have held some influence.
posted on 15/1/14
Apparantly when we visit the Emirates Arsenal fans are going to wear Fergie masks and chant his name to freak out Moyes.
posted on 15/1/14
comment by Wayne and Robin... (U17937)
posted 25 seconds ago
Apparantly when we visit the Emirates Arsenal fans are going to wear Fergie masks and chant his name to freak out Moyes.
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Random. It would be funny.
posted on 15/1/14
Turkish people or Germans born with at least 1 Turkish parent make up 5% of Germany's population which is why a fair few German players are coming through Turkish roots.
posted on 15/1/14
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